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Does anyone here actually use TikTok?

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Captante said:
I'm sure Myspace felt the same way about Facebook/Meta.

YT is busily doing itself in by screwing over content-creators and making it a PITA to make money streaming there.

It will be their undoing and MUCH sooner than most folks expect.
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Not a chance. All three you listed launched within a couple of years of each other. Facebook has issues I don't think it can overcome any longer. It will contract and is unlikely to ever be as big as it was. It's main audience is literally dying off. https://www.thewrap.com/facebook-meta-stock-230-billion-loss-market-cap/

Look at these stats -

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-09-06/8-numbers-that-show-how-big-youtube-has-become

Going to be a monumental task to unseat them. All the whinging by youtubers is just that. What are they going to do? Leave? And go where? The vast majority aren't going to be able to get anywhere close to supplementing their income from YT. And with 95% of teens treating it like we did TV, it has better long term financial health prospects than the others mentioned.

As to tic tac? Hell no, I don't use it.
 
DAPUNISHER said:
Not a chance. All three you listed launched within a couple of years of each other. Facebook has issues I don't think it can overcome any longer. It will contract and is unlikely to ever be as big as it was. It's main audience is literally dying off. https://www.thewrap.com/facebook-meta-stock-230-billion-loss-market-cap/

Look at these stats -

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-09-06/8-numbers-that-show-how-big-youtube-has-become

Going to be a monumental task to unseat them. All the whinging by youtubers is just that. What are they going to do? Leave? And go where? The vast majority aren't going to be able to get anywhere close to supplementing their income from YT. And with 95% of teens treating it like we did TV, it has better long term financial health prospects than the others mentioned.

As to tic tac? Hell no, I don't use it.
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I was watching a documentary on Fouseytube last night. At the tail end of the prank video era (2016) he was making less than $500 although he had a 2m viewers who watched his prank video. A few years before he was generating thousands per video. A -95% drop in profits. This is why many YouTube creators now have multiple streams of income. Many are now streaming on TikTok, and Twitch. Especially Twitch with donations, ad revenue, etc. It can be very profitable if you can pull it off. Many also sell merch. I doubt that most are making a lot off that though. Selling courses is another huge revenue stream for many of these guys. Many of these courses that YT creators make sell for $995 each. There are also courses that go for $1995 each. You sell 2-5 courses per day. That is a lot of money.
 
Almost no social media presence except Reddit, min use of YT, and no Tiktok. Chatting apps(4 of them) already add a toll to life, I think I can do without SM.
 
Mai72 said:
I was watching a documentary on Fouseytube last night. At the tail end of the prank video era (2016) he was making less than $500 although he had a 2m viewers who watched his prank video. A few years before he was generating thousands per video. A -95% drop in profits. This is why many YouTube creators now have multiple streams of income. Many are now streaming on TikTok, and Twitch. Especially Twitch with donations, ad revenue, etc. It can be very profitable if you can pull it off. Many also sell merch. I doubt that most are making a lot off that though. Selling courses is another huge revenue stream for many of these guys. Many of these courses that YT creators make sell for $995 each. There are also courses that go for $1995 each. You sell 2-5 courses per day. That is a lot of money.
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Must have been getting hit with age restrictions and no ad money. I have seen youtubers with middling subscriber numbers that can make $39k on one vid. No, leaving youtube is a huge risk for most established content creators. It is their livelihoods at stake. And while many whinge about all things youtube, they don't complain about cashing those fat checks. Hell, 99% of the whinging is about not getting what they think they deserve.

You are right that it is smart not to keep all their eggs in one basket. They should be exploring every platform, and developing content for it if they have the ability, won't hurt their brand. Ventures like Floatplane and Nebula are always welcome. Pod casting is smart. But those numbers I linked speak for themselves. There is nothing for the end user with an ad blocker to complain about really. Free content, and more than you can hope to watch in one lifetime. If the fantasy is that fans are going to white knight creators that are butt hurt and follow them elsewhere, they are in for a terrible disappointment. Remember in the Truman Show how the world was enthralled with him, and 30 seconds after he left the building, the guy is asking his buddy what else is on? That's what happens IRL. People have short attention spans and seek instant gratification, If the youtuber leaves, most will just find someone else to watch that makes similar content. Remember when Ninja got crazy money to go to Mixer? How'd that work out for the service? I know that was Twitch v. Mixer, but Youtube is to content creators what Twitch is to streamers. Both are nearly impossible to unseat. It may happen someday, but the idea that it will be soon? I will bet money against it, and I don't gamble.
 
Teens/pre-teens watch Tiktok now not YT.... it's demise has already begun and the fact that another old person (sorry) isn't really aware of this only further proves my point.
 
Captante said:
Teens/pre-teens watch Tiktok now not YT.... it's demise has already begun and the fact that another old person (sorry) isn't really aware of this only further proves my point.
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Got the data or did you pull that out of your ass? The article I linked is from this month, what you got?

"But the real outlier wasn’t TikTok—it was YouTube. A whopping 95% of teens surveyed said they use the video platform owned by Alphabet Inc.’s Google. More teens reported visiting YouTube “almost constantly” than they did any other app."

Yeah man, get rekt.
 
DAPUNISHER said:
Got the data or did you pull that out of your ass? The article I linked is from this month, what you got?

"But the real outlier wasn’t TikTok—it was YouTube. A whopping 95% of teens surveyed said they use the video platform owned by Alphabet Inc.’s Google. More teens reported visiting YouTube “almost constantly” than they did any other app."

Yeah man, get rekt.
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I interact with actual kids all the time and none of them even use YT anymore.... it's the "old people" platform now. (I know it hurts lol)

As opposed to the "geriatric" platform we have going here. 😉
 
Captante said:
I interact with actual kids all the time and none of them even use YT anymore.... it's the "old people" platform now. (I know it hurts lol)

As opposed to the "geriatric" platform we have going here. 😉
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You are a petty little bitch aren't you? First insulting me, then relying on anecdotal v. real stats. Fuck you dude. Do you ever concede you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, or is this your schtick?
 
DAPUNISHER said:
You are a petty little bitch aren't you? First insulting me, then relying on anecdotal v. real stats. Fuck you dude. Do you ever concede you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, or is this your schtick?
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CTFD. 😉 *(on loan from P&N... where you MAY have been spending a bit too much time!)

Also I don't often over-react (and neither do you!) ..... having a tough day are we?
 
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TikTok indirectly influenced me.

Would have NEVER gone down the JoJo road that led to Mariah Carey if I didn't listen to that song called "Old Town Road"....

So...yes...it's Gen Z's fault I have reached musical enlightenment. 😉
 
I think YT and TikToks are similar but totally different services/markets, tiktok videos are to short for youtube, although i see they've now rolled out youtube shorts
 
KMFJD said:
I think YT and TikToks are similar but totally different services/markets, tiktok videos are to short for youtube, although i see they've now rolled out youtube shorts
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TikTok is the sign there is new youth paradigm to lampoon and that millennials can now accept or awaken to the reckoning that they are old, established, and the "runway of youth" is disappearing fast.

Instagram has reels.
 
KMFJD said:
I think YT and TikToks are similar but totally different services/markets, tiktok videos are to short for youtube, although i see they've now rolled out youtube shorts
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Precisely. There is some overlap due to competition. Tic Tac has privacy issues that will probably keep it from getting too big.
 
YouTube is going nowhere until there is something to replace it.

My favorite cooking dude on YT is J Kenji Lopez-Alt. He did an AMA this year. He started his YT channel for fun some years back, this year it will be the majority of his income, even though he just released a big and well-received cookbook called The Wok. And his work gets published in the NYT, he is senior member of Eater, etc...
 
DAPUNISHER said:
I am Buddha sitting by the wall, I am just calling you on your bullshit. Debate in good faith or fuck right off to Fuckoffistan.
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I'm not the one who led off calling names. 😉

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Too much P&N is NOT healthy.... it's okay to disagree AND remain civil too!
 
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Captante said:
I'm not the one who led off calling names. 😉
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The fuck I did. You said I was too old to understand, that is argumentum ad hominem. You used it because I expressed an opinion backed by data. All you had was anecdotes so you made it about me since you couldn't produce data that refuted my position. That's debating in bad faith. This will stun you, but it is okay to concede others make a good point. I shit you not.
 
DAPUNISHER said:
The fuck I did. You said I was too old to understand, that is argumentum ad hominem. You used it because I expressed an opinion backed by data. All you had was anecdotes so you made it about me since you couldn't produce data that refuted my position. That's debating in bad faith. This will stun you, but it is okay to concede others make a good point. I shit you not.
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Find somebody else to "rise to the bait" lol.... I refuse to respond in-kind.

Sorry you got your panties in a bunch over a joke about being old (and for the record I'm pretty sure I'm substantially older than you) but in my personal experience most younger kids don't use YT much anymore.
 
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Torn Mind said:
I observed a stubborn mule vs flaming hot-alpha.


The outpouring of testosterone was quite the thrill.
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Caught me by surprise.... my apologies for reacting at all. 😉

(then again I suppose I should be thankful I have any testosterone left at all at my age!)
 
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Captante said:
Caught me by surprise.... apologies for reacting at all. 😉
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I think you made some fair points...but you did exaggerate one point, imo.

Imo, Youtube ain't dying because of TikTok. It's core audience of millennial and older aren't expiring yet. I'm still waiting for LittleKuriboh to finish Yu-gi-oh the Abridged Series. 😛 There is also no substitute for "involved and substantial" content like tutorials, entertainment....basically more coherent videos, which TikTok isn't even trying to replace.


He did want you to present some more solid evidence. I do think anecdotal evidence can be accepted up to a point. Sometimes, a poll questionnaire does not capture the "flow of actions" that personal observation does.


I mean, this following article about TikTok being used as a search engine could have helped your point. If TikTok is being used as a search engine, that's a threat to Google's foundation https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/16/technology/gen-z-tiktok-search-engine.html
 
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