Does anyone else not feel bad?

[LongCoolMother]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
Myanmar on the other hand... :roll: I heard over NPR this morning that a multinational military force should be dispatched to the country to force aid to that country. If that's on the table, it should be done NOW. The more hours these people are left without aid, the more they will suffer; and more will die. Something/anything needs to be done now.

the suggestion of a multi-national force has already been ruled out by............dun dun dun.....China!

While indirectly bolstering the junta's resistance to foreign assistance, China is also shielding Burma from pressure to open up. It has led the opposition at the U.N. Security Council to proposals that humanitarian aid be authorized for Burma without the regime's consent, under the U.N. doctrine known as "responsibility to protect." Beijing also resists a milder proposal for a U.N. resolution ordering Burma to accept relief and allow rescue efforts.

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damn, i haven't read about that. That's...ironic. I suppose China's foreign policy is the same as Star Trek's "Prime Directive" lol. Observe, but never interfere w/ foreign lands/gov't's/cultures. blah.

The US and France propose bypassing the government, without permission. Probably to the dismay of China (who is also usually opposed tomeddling in other country's "domestic" affairs). I would have to say that sometimes crossing the line might be the right thing to do, and this might be one of those times.

But the editorial is also skewed. It seems there is always a way for people to construe something bad so as to push the blame onto China. China "indirectly bolstering the junta's resistance to foreign assistance" is misleading. It should be noted that China is strongly urging the Myanmar government to accept foreign assistance (even though certain articles would murkily claim otherwise). At the end of the day the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the junta.

 

[maziwanka]

it's been said a billion times in this thread, but that's a horrible thing to say.

sadly, im sure tons of ppl feel the same way

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: z0mb13
wow i can believe the things people say in this thread.. maybe this is exactly why americans are thought to be selfish and egoistical? You guys just dont care until the tragedy hits home?

I'm pretty sure that the Chinese didn't care when the fires of Chicago raged that place

well they certainly didn't care when in sudan people were being mowed down with support from their government. 200,000-400,000 dead. never mind the rape and displacement.
or burma..also propped up by china.
or the million starved to death by north korea...also propped up by china as convenient buffers.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: LongCoolMother

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
Myanmar on the other hand... :roll: I heard over NPR this morning that a multinational military force should be dispatched to the country to force aid to that country. If that's on the table, it should be done NOW. The more hours these people are left without aid, the more they will suffer; and more will die. Something/anything needs to be done now.

the suggestion of a multi-national force has already been ruled out by............dun dun dun.....China!

While indirectly bolstering the junta's resistance to foreign assistance, China is also shielding Burma from pressure to open up. It has led the opposition at the U.N. Security Council to proposals that humanitarian aid be authorized for Burma without the regime's consent, under the U.N. doctrine known as "responsibility to protect." Beijing also resists a milder proposal for a U.N. resolution ordering Burma to accept relief and allow rescue efforts.

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damn, i haven't read about that. That's...ironic. I suppose China's foreign policy is the same as Star Trek's "Prime Directive" lol. Observe, but never interfere w/ foreign lands/gov't's/cultures. blah.

The US and France propose bypassing the government, without permission. Probably to the dismay of China (who is also usually opposed tomeddling in other country's "domestic" affairs). I would have to say that sometimes crossing the line might be the right thing to do, and this might be one of those times.

But the editorial is also skewed. It seems there is always a way for people to construe something bad so as to push the blame onto China. China "indirectly bolstering the junta's resistance to foreign assistance" is misleading. It should be noted that China is strongly urging the Myanmar government to accept foreign assistance (even though certain articles would murkily claim otherwise). At the end of the day the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the junta.

Yeah, like they observed but didn't interfere in Korea? Like they ldidn't meddle in Vietnam? Like they're not interfering in Nepal, Tibet, or Burma?

While I don't think the USA has a right to interfere in the Burmese crisis, I DO believe that the UN does have that right...and responsibility.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: alien42
"them"

you are an idiot, the quake is a natural disaster and HUMAN tragedy. politics, race and religion are not involved.

Stop whining.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: BoomerD

WTF are you? A 14 year old emo-kid? That's about how you're coming off.

Most of us have said that we may feel badly for the people who were hurt/killed, as that sort of thing is always a tragedy, but we really don't care about it. People die all the time...one every 6 seconds or so in fact, but we don't get all wrought up about them either.
Face it, very few people in the world care about anything that doesn't affect them and theirs directly. Sure, we can say how terrible this earthquake was, and rant about how the shoddy Chinese building practices must have contributed to the high death count, but in reality, we just don't care. It doesn't impact us.

Actually the point of this thread was you people feel nothing.

I shouldn't be surprised by your defensive response.

So, do you care about everyone that dies or only those that are a part of a huge tragedy? You do realize the double standard right? Are you telling me you are sad your whole life because unknown people are dying?

You know what, heres something that most people fail to realize: Everything you do in your life is for your own benefit

EVERYTHING! No exceptions

You think helping a random person is beyond that? Think to yourself, why are you doing it? Because you feel good about yourself if you help others - thus, you are doing it for your own sake, as much as you wanna say you are "humanitarian"

So you threw yourself into the road to save your kid from dying of a car accident? You did it because knowing he is still alive makes you feel better even though you are now in the hospital, its ALWAYS for your own good

Anyone that says otherwise is just delusional, its the way living beings are, we humans may be very different, but the base is the same as everything else

So, when someone willingly sacrifices their life to save another (ie. rescuing someone from a burning fire or as you mentioned, saving a child in the middle of the road), they're doing it to make themselves feel better? Ever hear of being selfless? Looks like you learned a new word today.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I don't know any of them, so it has zero effect on me. I don't have to rationalize this in any other way, politically or otherwise. If it there had to be an earthquake I'm glad it happened somewhere other than here. What is the rationalization for actually feeling bad about something that happened far away and to people you've never seen? It's just a good thing to do? Why? How does that help anyone do anything ever?

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

So, when someone willingly sacrifices their life to save another (ie. rescuing someone from a burning fire or as you mentioned, saving a child in the middle of the road), they're doing it to make themselves feel better? Ever hear of being selfless? Looks like you learned a new word today.

Being selfless is impossible. It's just another attempt to decouple some of the things we do from the REAL reasons we do them. When the chips are down women and children always come first or the species dies. It's not some transcendental human quality and it's not special at all.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I don't know any of them, so it has zero effect on me. I don't have to rationalize this in any other way, politically or otherwise. If it there had to be an earthquake I'm glad it happened somewhere other than here. What is the rationalization for actually feeling bad about something that happened far away and to people you've never seen? It's just a good thing to do? Why? How does that help anyone do anything ever?

Thankfully, we have people in the world that do care for others and are willing to assist in humanitarian organizations like the Peace Corps, Unicef, Worldvision, etc. And others willing to donate time and money to charities/organizations to help people they don't know.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

So, when someone willingly sacrifices their life to save another (ie. rescuing someone from a burning fire or as you mentioned, saving a child in the middle of the road), they're doing it to make themselves feel better? Ever hear of being selfless? Looks like you learned a new word today.

Being selfless is impossible. It's just another attempt to decouple some of the things we do from the REAL reasons we do them. When the chips are down women and children always come first or the species dies. It's not some transcendental human quality and it's not special at all.

What about when an adult male sacrifices his life to save another adult male that they don't know? Sorry, there are truly people that are selfless.

 

[SlitheryDee]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I don't know any of them, so it has zero effect on me. I don't have to rationalize this in any other way, politically or otherwise. If it there had to be an earthquake I'm glad it happened somewhere other than here. What is the rationalization for actually feeling bad about something that happened far away and to people you've never seen? It's just a good thing to do? Why? How does that help anyone do anything ever?

Thankfully, we have people in the world that do care for others and are willing to assist in humanitarian organizations like the Peace Corps, Unicef, Worldvision, etc. And others willing to donate time and money to charities/organizations to help people they don't know.

It's hard for me to make statements like the above without adding that if such a catastrophe were to happen to me I would indeed want help from whatever organization there was to offer it. That's why I donate to charities and generally help people whenever I can. It's the chance of reciprocation that drives my charitable tendencies. If everyone stops giving help then no one is receiving help, especially me should I ever need it. I think the same is true for everyone, but some are better than I am at fooling themselves into believing otherwise.

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

So, when someone willingly sacrifices their life to save another (ie. rescuing someone from a burning fire or as you mentioned, saving a child in the middle of the road), they're doing it to make themselves feel better? Ever hear of being selfless? Looks like you learned a new word today.

Being selfless is impossible. It's just another attempt to decouple some of the things we do from the REAL reasons we do them. When the chips are down women and children always come first or the species dies. It's not some transcendental human quality and it's not special at all.

What about when an adult male sacrifices his life to save another adult male that they don't know? Sorry, there are truly people that are selfless.

Same basic concept. Most of the time I'm sure they don't actually intend to be killed in the process of saving the other person. In fact, a great number of such people DO survive the attempt and the result is a net benefit for the species. This good samaritan reflex lowers the average death rate and helps preserve valuable genetic material for use in future generations.

 

[potato28]

I don't feel too bad, its China ffs. They have too many people as it is right now, they stand to loose a hundred million or 2.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
I don't know any of them, so it has zero effect on me. I don't have to rationalize this in any other way, politically or otherwise. If it there had to be an earthquake I'm glad it happened somewhere other than here. What is the rationalization for actually feeling bad about something that happened far away and to people you've never seen? It's just a good thing to do? Why? How does that help anyone do anything ever?

Thankfully, we have people in the world that do care for others and are willing to assist in humanitarian organizations like the Peace Corps, Unicef, Worldvision, etc. And others willing to donate time and money to charities/organizations to help people they don't know.

It's hard for me to make statements like the above without adding that if such a catastrophe were to happen to me I would indeed want help from whatever organization there was to offer it. That's why I donate to charities and generally help people whenever I can. It's the chance of reciprocation that drives my charitable tendencies. If everyone stops giving help then no one is receiving help, especially me should I ever need it. I think the same is true for everyone, but some are better than I am at fooling themselves into believing otherwise

:laugh: Wow.

You have to be trolling b/c you can't be this warped.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: PolymerTim
Hmmm, I would think that the vast majority of those killed had nothing to do with the running of their government or the decision to make low quality products (as opposed to just working in a factory and just doing what they are told to make a living).

I think it is a shame when anyone stops caring for human death and suffering, whatever the circumstances. But hey, if those excuses make you feel better about not caring...

For the suffering in China and many other places around the world.

They're just the possible reasons that could have made me callous to this. I don't know what

probably how Hitler started...

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Xylitol

Originally posted by: PolymerTim
Hmmm, I would think that the vast majority of those killed had nothing to do with the running of their government or the decision to make low quality products (as opposed to just working in a factory and just doing what they are told to make a living).

I think it is a shame when anyone stops caring for human death and suffering, whatever the circumstances. But hey, if those excuses make you feel better about not caring...

For the suffering in China and many other places around the world.

They're just the possible reasons that could have made me callous to this. I don't know what

probably how Hitler started...

You lose for bringing up Hitler. So overused.

 

[alphatarget1]

Heartless a__hole

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

You lose for bringing up Hitler. So overused.

sorry not used to mentioning other losers. Guess you have more experience in that department though.

kthx.

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP
The lives lost in the recent disasters in Asia are truly unfortunate. I am happy to hear about the disaster relief that China has deployed though. From the reports, it seems that they were very quick to provide aid and relief to the area; and it seems to be under control. Sucks that the buildings weren't up to earthquake code. I'm sure now that everything will be rebuilt with that in mind... So I guess that is a good thing in the long run.

Myanmar on the other hand... :roll: I heard over NPR this morning that a multinational military force should be dispatched to the country to force aid to that country. If that's on the table, it should be done NOW. The more hours these people are left without aid, the more they will suffer; and more will die. Something/anything needs to be done now.

Myanmar is another country that I don't want to donate any money to, as I know that a portion of any aid that I give will end up with the family of some fascist military dictator. Instead of helping to fix the problems with that country, I'd only be prolonging them!

The only "aid" I want to give that that country are the guns and ammo necessary to overthrow their corrupt government. If I knew that my $50 was going to be used to put a bullet some Burmese general's head, I'd sure as hell donate it then!

 

[StinkyPinky]

Originally posted by: CottonRabbit
Pulled from a P&N thread, graphic

If those images do not make you feel even slightly bad, then you are either an irrational idiot, or you have an ingrained hate of Chinese people that even you may not be aware of.

Oh my god. That brings it home, that's for sure. Made me think.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Originally posted by: potato28
I don't feel too bad, its China ffs. They have too many people as it is right now, they stand to loose a hundred million or 2.

Some people in less populated countries than the USA may think the same thing when something happens in the US.

 

[thecrecarc]

Originally posted by: z0mb13

Originally posted by: SampSon
I find it hilarious how posters react on this forum.
They will take whatever stance is necessary, as long as it fits into the status quo.

How many of you really, honestly, deeply care about what the OP is talking about? Do you spend more than 2 minutes a day thinking about it?
Have you done anything more than just 'feel bad' or 'feel for thoes people', for more than is minimally required by your fickle conscience?
The resounding answer is NO.

This false, bleeding heart talk is little more than feel good bullshit. You people don't really care. You know why you don't really care?
Because it doesn't directly affect you. If some other tragedy happened right now (like they do every fucking day but no one (media) pays attention), you would quickly forget about this quake in China and think about how terrible that new situation is. Then 10 minutes after it leaves your direct line of sight you would forget about it and go on with your life. The reality is that if it's not right in front of your face, you simply don't give a shit.

The horrors that go on in this world on a daily basis are amazing. The reality is that if you are not directly affected by it, it really doesn't matter to you. Believe as much as you want that you're a compassionate human being, looking at pictures of dead children and broken families while you mabey shed a tear. Deep down inside you simply don't care. If you did care so deeply, you would be paralyzed by constant mourning.

So for the love of god would you people fess up to your feigned concern and get along with your lives. For once be honest with yourselves and realize how selfish you actually are. If your significant other, or closest family member fell fatally ill tomorrow, half of the entire population of China or India or whereever could die and you really honestly would not give a shit.

Personally I think it's a tragedy, but that's all it is. Yes it's sad, yes many lives will be changed forever, but mine isn't one of them, and most likely neither is yours. Today I went the entire day without spending one second thinking about the quake in China, until I clicked on this thread. Does that make it any less tragic? No. It does mean that in my life that quake in China means very little, which is why I devote very little time to thinking about it.

I currently live and work in China, and yes I do care. I just donated 10% of my monthly salary for this cause (not that much, but I hope it helps)

I have grandoarents in Chengdu right now, im pretty sure i care.

 

[moparacer]

The only "aid" I want to give that that country are the guns and ammo necessary to overthrow their corrupt government. If I knew that my $50 was going to be used to put a bullet some Burmese general's head, I'd sure as hell donate it then!

:thumbsup:

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Death tolls could be close to 100000+...how can you not feel for them??? There are kids that were crushed to death, some were burried alive and died over several days, they lost everything they had- family and possessions.

Amazing.

I'm not dancing in the street celebrating the tragedy; I just don't care. I didn't care about Katrina either. Mama Nature can be cruel...such is life.

Until it happens to you. They have meds for sociopathy these days. (Look it up---you have a lot of symptoms.)

 

[ManBearPig]

this is fucked up...you really dont feel bad for these people?

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Fritzo
Death tolls could be close to 100000+...how can you not feel for them??? There are kids that were crushed to death, some were burried alive and died over several days, they lost everything they had- family and possessions.

Amazing.

I'm not dancing in the street celebrating the tragedy; I just don't care. I didn't care about Katrina either. Mama Nature can be cruel...such is life.

Until it happens to you. They have meds for sociopathy these days. (Look it up---you have a lot of symptoms.)

A lot of symptoms because I don't give a damn about people I don't know? That's 1 symptom....I have plenty of empathy for people I know and interact with. It's a real stretch to label me a sociopath/psychopath.