Does anyone blame China for suppressing political dissent?

[piasabird]

In communism there is only the state and to make political complaints is suicide. Plus the state controls the media. There is no comparison without freedom of speech.

 

[Ventanni]

So with the American system, I get to listen to 3 crappy/mediocre stories, but with those stories I can probably piece together the final truth using deduction and logical reasoning.

With the Chinese system, you get to hear 1 crappy story, and with nothing to compare it to, you're stuck believing that 1 crappy story.

Bottom line, if you think China is so much better, try living over there. We'll see ya back in 6 weeks.

 

[shira]

Understood, I think every leftist liberal wishes they had an Authoritarian Government party to vote for so they could force the people to do what they think is best.

I'm a "leftist liberal" and I don't wish for an "Authoritarian Government party to vote for so [I can] could force the people to do what think is best."

On the other hand, right-wing conservatives definitely want government to force women who want to abort their fetuses to instead carry their pregnancies to term. And they want to stop gays from marrying.

So I think it's the right that desires an authoritarian government. They only "freedom" the right wants is that any profit-seeking behavior should be entirely unregulated.

 

[monovillage]

Admit it shira, you get real wood every time you imagine a political system where you could force those evil deniers to admit to catastrophic global warming and have the government force every business to do what you think is needed to fix it.


You won't admit it, but I bet you're flushed right now.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

The Chinese are afraid of social disorder. It comes from a ancient time when it was thought that if a government was in chaos it was because the Gods had removed their favor from the rulers.

They would see democratic elections and arguments as antithetical to a properly functioning and blessed government.

 

[mammador]

I don't frankly see why we need to care if China isn't a liberal democracy.

 

[HarryLui]

You know what, I'd take bias opinions every day compare to the Chinese government run stuff. You are not allow to have opinion against the Chinese government in China, ever. Unless you like to be in jail or disappear all together.


http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org

The below url are banned from China and they are from Hong Kong!!

http://hk.yahoo.com/
http://www.alliance.org.hk/english/index.html

You could be watching Hong Kong based station broadcast TV in China and you'd never see any News on that channel because the Chinese state run media would literally cut the News off that channel and put their on stuff on.

If they can censor whatever they want, what would stop them to make up fake news?


Let's not forget.

Liu Xiaobo, an impassioned literary critic, political essayist and democracy advocate repeatedly jailed by the Chinese government for his activism, has won the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize in recognition of “his long and non-violent struggle for fundamental human rights in China.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/09/world/09nobel.html?pagewanted=all

 

[DucatiMonster696]

LOL every time I see righties complain about China I have to laugh. The average Chinese worker has little benefits, gets paid hardly anything, and works crazy amounts of hours just to survive - isn't that the ideal Republican utopia?

Yes, yes, now let’s compare the Chinese worker's wages and standard of living during the Maoist communist era of the "workers paradise" that individuals like you love so much and idealize.

During the 1930s, China developed a modern industrial sector, which stimulated modest but significant economic growth. Before the collapse of international trade that followed the onset of the Great Depression, China’s share of world trade and its ratio of foreign trade to GDP achieved levels that were not regained for over sixty years.[3]

The economy was heavily disrupted by the war against Japan and the Chinese Civil War from 1937 to 1949, after which the victorious Communists installed a planned economy.[3] Afterwards, the economy largely stagnated and was disrupted by the Great Leap Forward famine which killed between 30 and 40 million people, and the purges of the Cultural Revolution further disrupted the economy.

Urban Chinese citizens experienced virtually no increase in living standards from 1957 onwards, and rural Chinese had no better living standards in the 1970s than the 1930s.[6] One study noted that average pay levels in the catering sector exceeded wages in higher education.[7]

The economic performance of China was poor in comparison with other East Asian countries, such as Japan, South Korea, and even rival Chiang Kai-shek's Republic of China. The economy was riddled with huge inefficiencies and malinvestments, and with Mao's death, the Communist Party of China (CPC) leadership turned to market-oriented reforms to salvage the failing economy.[8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform#1984.E2.80.9393

Course of reforms

Economic reforms began after Deng Xiaoping and his reformist allies ousted the Gang of Four Maoist faction. By the time Deng took power, there was widespread support among the elite for economic reforms. As de facto leader, Deng's policies faced opposition from party conservatives but were extremely successful in increasing the country's wealth.

If you want more detail on the actual course they took click on the link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform#Course_of_reforms

Economic performance since reform

China's economic growth since the reform has been very rapid, exceeding the East Asian Tigers. Economists estimate China's GDP growth from 1978 to 2005 at 9.5% a year. Since the beginning of Deng Xiaoping's reforms, China's GDP has risen tenfold.[26] The increase in total factor productivity (TFP) was the most important factor, with productivity accounting for 40.1% of the GDP increase, compared with a decline of 13.2% for the period 1957 to 1978—the height of Maoist policies. For the period 1978–2005, Chinese GDP per capita increased from 2.7% to 15.7% of US GDP per capita, and from 53.7% to 188.5% of Indian GDP per capita. Per capita incomes grew at 6.6% a year.[27] Average wages rose sixfold between 1978 and 2005,[28] while absolute poverty declined from 41% of the population to 5% from 1978 to 2001.[29] Some scholars believed that China's economic growth has been understated, due to large sectors of the economy not being counted.[30]

Impact on world growth

China is widely seen as an engine of world and regional growth.[31] Surges in Chinese demand account for 50, 44 and 66 percent of export growth of Hong Kong, Japan and Taiwan respectively, and China's trade deficit with the rest of East Asia helped to revive the economies of Japan and Southeast Asia.[31] Asian leaders view China's economic growth as an "engine of growth for all Asia".[32

Wow there goes your enter spiel flying out the window when everything is put into its proper perspective in comparison to what the Chinese people had in the past as compared to what they enjoy today. So while everything in China is not entirely rosy political they have economically made tremendous strides by embracing free market capitalist reforms whose results dwarf anything under their previously stagnate and "progressive" centrally controlled and planned economy.

 

[-Slacker-]

The suppression of political dissent and the "Fairness Doctrine" are not the same thing. To that end, yes I fucking blame Chinese government for oppressing their people. I blame them all day 24/7. As should you.

 

[Albatross]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-17793949
Yeah, China is great where a very high ranking member of the Communist party and his wife murder those who stay in his way.
China Communist party makes the members of the US elite look like a choir of angels.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The Chinese government believes we are trying to weaken them by promoting free political processes and free speech to their people.

And here is the problem. The Chinese government taking priority over the people of China. No, if I were one of them and wanted to stay in power how could I disagree? Likewise if I were any totalitarian government or dictator with absolute power and used it as cruelly as I please I would not want something which might stop me.

I'm most serial murderers probably feel the same way about the police, however that doesn't give cause endorse their activities or make an equivalence to the shop lifter.

 

[monovillage]

The suppression of political dissent and the "Fairness Doctrine" are not the same thing. To that end, yes I fucking blame Chinese government for oppressing their people. I blame them all day 24/7. As should you.

They are not the same thing, but they are a page out of the same play book.