Does anybody understand the NHL?

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Garet Jax

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Originally posted by: classy
I am a huge hockey fan but for the life of me I can't understand the players stance to save my soul. TV revenue which is what drives professional salaries is least in the NHL of the four major sports. The Stanley Cup finals doesn't even draw huge numbers. Basketball which does very well has a salary cap and the NFL which might be tops overall has a salary cap. For the life me I don't understand why the NHL players won't take a cap. If the NBA players can take a cap I can't understand why the NHL players won't take a cap. I just seen they are going to have a scaled down meeting on Wed., but man I don't get it. There must be least 5-6 franchises that are on life support with a few others headed to ICU as well. I am missing some serious ice action, but man the NHL players are just being foolish in my opinion.

It's not the players, it's the NHLPA. They are only looking out for their "top" clients, the ones who will be most affected by the cap. They are giving everyone else bad advice.
 

Insane3D

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After this lockout, I will still watch hockey of course since it's my favorite sport, but a lot of players I used to respect and be a fan of have really lost me as a fan after some of their comments. Players like Thornton, Brodeur, Shanahan, and of course...good ole' Trevor "Where's MAH MONEY" Linden. I've been a Boston Bruins fan for awhile, but if hockey comes back, I'm not sure if I'll ever attend a game if Thornton is playing...

Glad I've got season tickets to the top AHL team in the league, as well as tickets to this years AHL All-Star Weekend.

:)
 

Insane3D

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Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: classy
I am a huge hockey fan but for the life of me I can't understand the players stance to save my soul. TV revenue which is what drives professional salaries is least in the NHL of the four major sports. The Stanley Cup finals doesn't even draw huge numbers. Basketball which does very well has a salary cap and the NFL which might be tops overall has a salary cap. For the life me I don't understand why the NHL players won't take a cap. If the NBA players can take a cap I can't understand why the NHL players won't take a cap. I just seen they are going to have a scaled down meeting on Wed., but man I don't get it. There must be least 5-6 franchises that are on life support with a few others headed to ICU as well. I am missing some serious ice action, but man the NHL players are just being foolish in my opinion.

It's not the players, it's the NHLPA. They are only looking out for their "top" clients, the ones who will be most affected by the cap. They are giving everyone else bad advice.

EXACTLY
 

Garet Jax

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Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
yea, it might never come back :(

Impossible. The Canadians and a few of the Northern States would never let it die. There will always be some form of professional hockey in North America.
 

Insane3D

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Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
yea, it might never come back :(

Impossible. The Canadians and a few of the Northern States would never let it die. There will always be some form of professional hockey in North America.

Agreed. Up here in the NE, we live and breath hockey, and it would never die up here. AHL hockey, awesome college hockey with teams like UNH, BC, BU, Maine, etc...
 

Garet Jax

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Originally posted by: eakers

i don't understand the owners stance. the owners could all agree on a budget and pay the players that. its the owners faults by offering more and more money for players. its not the players fault there are teams that can't afford to be good, its the owners who are willing to put the money into their teams.

To start, they can't do that. It's collusion and it's illegal.

Secondly and more importantly, it's not in every owner's best interest to do that. Big market teams like Detroit, New York and Toronto can afford to pay more money in salaries and will to get the upper hand. This is a spiralling problem. The more the big market teams pay in salaries the better their teams get and the worse the other teams get. The worse the other teams get, the less they can attract fans and the less money they make ----> the less they can afford to pay players.
 

Insane3D

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Also, just to add to what Garet said, the Canadian team get killed because they make all their revenue in Canadian $$$, but they pay the players in USD, so they usually take a big loss on the exchange rate alone.
 

Garet Jax

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I just hope that in addition to the "salary" situation, they fix the clutching and grabbing problem as well. The game used to be so much more open and exciting. True skill came through and the game was open to the Gretzkys and the Lemieuxs to get 200+ points in a season. Now points leaders are winning with less than 100 points. There is so much less scoring and so much less excitement nowadays. :(

On a side note, a friend of mine in Montreal went to his weekly pickup hockey session and was greeted by Vincent Lecavalier asking if he could join. Obviously my friend said no. :)
 

Insane3D

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Agreed on the clutching and grabbing, but also I would like to see a real crackdown on diving. Montreal seems to teach it's players this from day one. I can't stand when I guy get's bumped a little, and he goes down like he was taken out by a sniper in the rafters.

I think a neat way to cut down on that would be to have them play on the huge olympic surfaces, but I doubt all the NHL teams would build new rinks for that. I occasionaly go to UNH games here, and they play on that huge olympic size surface. It's really hard to understand how much more ice there is until you sit in on a game once...
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Also, just to add to what Garet said, the Canadian team get killed because they make all their revenue in Canadian $$$, but they pay the players in USD, so they usually take a big loss on the exchange rate alone.

Solution- separate it into two leagues, Canadian and US?
 

Insane3D

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Dunno if that would work. Would they still play in the US? I mean the NH Lwould not be the same if you take out the Canadian teams and vice versa IMO. Also, would players in the Canadian league want to sign contracts for less money when they could get more in the US?
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Dunno if that would work. Would they still play in the US? I mean the NH Lwould not be the same if you take out the Canadian teams and vice versa IMO. Also, would players in the Canadian league want to sign contracts for less money when they could get more in the US?

Its just a suggestion, probably won't really work. They would still play in a few cities in the US ... it would be a real small league though. It wouldn't be the same as the NHL of course. And the Superstar Canadian players might go for more money, but then because of the few teams in the US (after all the poor market ones die) the rest would have no choice but to find work in the Canadian leagues.

...another solution might be lets all have the same currency. :)

 

TheNinja

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Agreed on the clutching and grabbing, but also I would like to see a real crackdown on diving. Montreal seems to teach it's players this from day one. I can't stand when I guy get's bumped a little, and he goes down like he was taken out by a sniper in the rafters.

I think a neat way to cut down on that would be to have them play on the huge olympic surfaces, but I doubt all the NHL teams would build new rinks for that. I occasionaly go to UNH games here, and they play on that huge olympic size surface. It's really hard to understand how much more ice there is until you sit in on a game once...

Ya, I think it'll be back with some changes. I think they are discussing smaller goalie pads (which I'm not actually in favor of), moving the goal back, and no-touch icing (whatever the technical name is) to reduce injuries into the boards.
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: TheNinja
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Agreed on the clutching and grabbing, but also I would like to see a real crackdown on diving. Montreal seems to teach it's players this from day one. I can't stand when I guy get's bumped a little, and he goes down like he was taken out by a sniper in the rafters.

I think a neat way to cut down on that would be to have them play on the huge olympic surfaces, but I doubt all the NHL teams would build new rinks for that. I occasionaly go to UNH games here, and they play on that huge olympic size surface. It's really hard to understand how much more ice there is until you sit in on a game once...

Ya, I think it'll be back with some changes. I think they are discussing smaller goalie pads (which I'm not actually in favor of), moving the goal back, and no-touch icing (whatever the technical name is) to reduce injuries into the boards.
The goalie can't play the puck outside of a predetermined/marked area directly behind the net either... that will help a bit. The biggest one is the damned center redline... get rid of it!
 

Insane3D

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You guys should hit an AHL game or two this year. They are using all the new rules this year. They have the limited area for the goalie to play the puck, shootouts at the end of a scoreless OT, wider blue and red lines, tag - up off sides, and no touch icing. With the exception of the last one, which belongs in college and college only, I love them.
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: eakers
Originally posted by: classy
I am a huge hockey fan but for the life of me I can't understand the players stance to save my soul. TV revenue which is what drives professional salaries is least in the NHL of the four major sports. The Stanley Cup finals doesn't even draw huge numbers. Basketball which does very well has a salary cap and the NFL which might be tops overall has a salary cap. For the life me I don't understand why the NHL players won't take a cap. If the NBA players can take a cap I can't understand why the NHL players won't take a cap. I just seen they are going to have a scaled down meeting on Wed., but man I don't get it. There must be least 5-6 franchises that are on life support with a few others headed to ICU as well. I am missing some serious ice action, but man the NHL players are just being foolish in my opinion.

i don't understand the owners stance. the owners could all agree on a budget and pay the players that. its the owners faults by offering more and more money for players. its not the players fault there are teams that can't afford to be good, its the owners who are willing to put the money into their teams.

eta: hockey players are people with families. they are going to do what is best for them. if someone offered you 3X as much to do your same job for them, i'm sure you would take it because you can take better care of your family/yourself.


Note to self: Try to feel sorry for people who make 100 times what I make in a year.

Note to self: Ain't fvcking happening.
 

MisterCornell

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Most professional athletes are bunkrupt within 10 years of retirement. As they say, "A fool and his money are soon parted.", and these guys typically aren't the sharpest rocks in the box.

With one year gone, some of them are hurting. I've read some stories in the Det. News about Red Wings players having money problems.
 

TheNinja

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: Garet Jax

It's not the players, it's the NHLPA. They are only looking out for their "top" clients, the ones who will be most affected by the cap. They are giving everyone else bad advice.

EXACTLY

Even Hall of Famer Phil Esposito can't understand why players won't accept salary cap "(It's) not going to affect anybody, but it might take away the 10-11 million dollar player which, there is no room for it anyway in the National Hockey League, because the revenues just don't justify it." Now why can't he be on the NHLPA team?
 

tin10

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I just want to see my Dallas Stars again - going from in my HighSchool years of playing hockey, to coaching a varisty highschool team for 3 years, hockey was my life, and after PLAYING hockey with many of the Dallas Stars in Frisco, TX, hockey and the NHL is so hard to swallow right now, it seems like masturbation is keeping me sane, keeping me busy......lol, jk, no, but really(Dodgeball)...anyways, today, technically since its 2:45am here, the 2 sides are supposed to meet, for the last time to either determine if there will be a season this year, if they decide YES on whatever, then it will be a 36 game schedule starting the first of Feb.

If there is no season, i think i really mighy shoot myself in the foot, then sue the NHL for mental stress and well...I could well, nm, ill shutup, anyways, I miss hockey so so so much, and since I own my own business I NEVER get to go see an AHL game here, the ft. worth Brahmas are supposedly kicking a$$ again this year, but unless its televised, I never get to see hockey....


*** PRAY FOR HOCKEY ***
 

CTrain

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Originally posted by: TheNinja
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: Garet Jax

It's not the players, it's the NHLPA. They are only looking out for their "top" clients, the ones who will be most affected by the cap. They are giving everyone else bad advice.

EXACTLY

Even Hall of Famer Phil Esposito can't understand why players won't accept salary cap "(It's) not going to affect anybody, but it might take away the 10-11 million dollar player which, there is no room for it anyway in the National Hockey League, because the revenues just don't justify it." Now why can't he be on the NHLPA team?

Finally somebody is making sense.
Hes absolutely right. The NHL just can't afford the $10+ million dollar players.
Television is a hugh part of revenues and the NHL just simply do not get enough to compete with the other 3 sports.
 

CVSiN

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Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
If Hockey turned back into being a sport about good skating, great shots, great saves, etc.... Way more people would actually want to watch it.

Lately it's become a game about revenge, trying to hurt the other team, getting in fights, etc. I can see crap like that on the evening news.

Good riddance to the NHL as far as I'm concerned.

WTF you talking about.. thats what the best part is!
i want to see bone breaking hits that make you go OUCH at home...
I want to see fights when someone pulls a cheap shot...
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I still want to see blinding skating and making impossible shots... its all part of the game hockey wouldnt be the same without it...

it would be the GAY ass NFL on ice... those panseys need to meet Chris Chelios in a dark alley...
NFL pffft...
 

rh71

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I remember hearing off a bar fight... Sandy McCarthy heard a football player say that hockey players are whimps. Sandy taught him a lesson.