Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: shira
Other than for the degree of cruelty and the sophistication of the animal's brain, what is the difference between dog-fighting and sports fishing?
Why is it acceptable - as "sport" - to entice an animal to snag itself on a metal hook, and then force it to fight for its life to the point of complete exhaustion? The fact that many of these fish are released alive doesn't excuse the terror they have been forced to experience.
Why, in the U.S., is it acceptable to raise cows for food, but not dogs?
We're all hypocrites.
Vick wasn't eating the dogs; he was torturing them throughout their life, then killing them if they didn't please him.
But you do raise an interesting point; why is it OK to torture some animals (sport fishing, rodeos), but not others? The simple answer is, it isn't. I personally don't think rodeos or sport fishing or other activities of this nature should be legal. They are cruel and barbaric and serve no purpose other than satisfying a sick, twisted desire within man to feel like a God.
I'm not one of those crazy PETA vegans who thinks animals deserve the exact same rights as people (have you noticed how those people always wear leather Birkenstocks? Oh, the irony...). I recognize the legitimacy of hunting and fishing as a means of consumption (but if you're just shooting something so you can frame it or steal it's tusks, you're a bastard). I eat meat at virtually every meal. I just think that there is a very clear line between justified killing and not. If you are killing an animal to eat it, or because it is diseased (rabies, etc.), then that's acceptable. If you get your jollies from torturing an animal for "sport," then killing it for pleasure, only to be fed to your next animal you torture for sport, then you are a sick, twisted individual.
Michael Vick should be shown just how great a "sport" this really is. Dump him in the ring with some lions and see how he fares.
:|
rodeo animals are not tortured. a LOT of money has been spent to breed and raise those animals and the people who own them and lease them to the rodeo circuit would go sh*t raving mad if any of their animals were mistreated in anyway. do you have any idea how much a rodeo bull or bucking horse cost? the only thing in the arena that gets hurt is the fool who tries to ride them. the bulls and broncs love it just like a reteiver loves fetching ducks.
as far as sport fishing who cares its a fish and gets to live another day.
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: shira
Other than for the degree of cruelty and the sophistication of the animal's brain, what is the difference between dog-fighting and sports fishing?
Why is it acceptable - as "sport" - to entice an animal to snag itself on a metal hook, and then force it to fight for its life to the point of complete exhaustion? The fact that many of these fish are released alive doesn't excuse the terror they have been forced to experience.
Why, in the U.S., is it acceptable to raise cows for food, but not dogs?
We're all hypocrites.
Vick wasn't eating the dogs; he was torturing them throughout their life, then killing them if they didn't please him.
But you do raise an interesting point; why is it OK to torture some animals (sport fishing, rodeos), but not others? The simple answer is, it isn't. I personally don't think rodeos or sport fishing or other activities of this nature should be legal. They are cruel and barbaric and serve no purpose other than satisfying a sick, twisted desire within man to feel like a God.
I'm not one of those crazy PETA vegans who thinks animals deserve the exact same rights as people (have you noticed how those people always wear leather Birkenstocks? Oh, the irony...). I recognize the legitimacy of hunting and fishing as a means of consumption (but if you're just shooting something so you can frame it or steal it's tusks, you're a bastard). I eat meat at virtually every meal. I just think that there is a very clear line between justified killing and not. If you are killing an animal to eat it, or because it is diseased (rabies, etc.), then that's acceptable. If you get your jollies from torturing an animal for "sport," then killing it for pleasure, only to be fed to your next animal you torture for sport, then you are a sick, twisted individual.
Michael Vick should be shown just how great a "sport" this really is. Dump him in the ring with some lions and see how he fares.
:|
rodeo animals are not tortured. a LOT of money has been spent to breed and raise those animals and the people who own them and lease them to the rodeo circuit would go sh*t raving mad if any of their animals were mistreated in anyway. do you have any idea how much a rodeo bull or bucking horse cost? the only thing in the arena that gets hurt is the fool who tries to ride them. the bulls and broncs love it just like a reteiver loves fetching ducks.
as far as sport fishing who cares its a fish and gets to live another day.
Originally posted by: marincounty
What I find ironic is this Michael Vick, who is basically a modern day gladiator playing in the NFL, is being prosecuted for fighting dogs, while fighting humans, in boxing matches, cage fighting, and the NFL is perfectly legal.
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: marincounty
What I find ironic is this Michael Vick, who is basically a modern day gladiator playing in the NFL, is being prosecuted for fighting dogs, while fighting humans, in boxing matches, cage fighting, and the NFL is perfectly legal.
Ummm... I think one teeny weeny diference might be that the people choose to do that of their own free will, while the animals do not.
I won't bother to bring up the fact that part of his "problem" is brutally killing dogs.
Otherwise, I don't see much in common with many of these things besides "competition". I enjoy MMA and there is much to respect in the demonstration of skills, IMO. I don't see how there are any such skills on dog fighting, just brutality.
Fern
Originally posted by: marincounty
What I find ironic is this Michael Vick, who is basically a modern day gladiator playing in the NFL, is being prosecuted for fighting dogs, while fighting humans, in boxing matches, cage fighting, and the NFL is perfectly legal.
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: shira
Other than for the degree of cruelty and the sophistication of the animal's brain, what is the difference between dog-fighting and sports fishing?
Why is it acceptable - as "sport" - to entice an animal to snag itself on a metal hook, and then force it to fight for its life to the point of complete exhaustion? The fact that many of these fish are released alive doesn't excuse the terror they have been forced to experience.
Why, in the U.S., is it acceptable to raise cows for food, but not dogs?
We're all hypocrites.
Vick wasn't eating the dogs; he was torturing them throughout their life, then killing them if they didn't please him.
But you do raise an interesting point; why is it OK to torture some animals (sport fishing, rodeos), but not others? The simple answer is, it isn't. I personally don't think rodeos or sport fishing or other activities of this nature should be legal. They are cruel and barbaric and serve no purpose other than satisfying a sick, twisted desire within man to feel like a God.
I'm not one of those crazy PETA vegans who thinks animals deserve the exact same rights as people (have you noticed how those people always wear leather Birkenstocks? Oh, the irony...). I recognize the legitimacy of hunting and fishing as a means of consumption (but if you're just shooting something so you can frame it or steal it's tusks, you're a bastard). I eat meat at virtually every meal. I just think that there is a very clear line between justified killing and not. If you are killing an animal to eat it, or because it is diseased (rabies, etc.), then that's acceptable. If you get your jollies from torturing an animal for "sport," then killing it for pleasure, only to be fed to your next animal you torture for sport, then you are a sick, twisted individual.
Michael Vick should be shown just how great a "sport" this really is. Dump him in the ring with some lions and see how he fares.
:|
rodeo animals are not tortured. a LOT of money has been spent to breed and raise those animals and the people who own them and lease them to the rodeo circuit would go sh*t raving mad if any of their animals were mistreated in anyway. do you have any idea how much a rodeo bull or bucking horse cost? the only thing in the arena that gets hurt is the fool who tries to ride them. the bulls and broncs love it just like a reteiver loves fetching ducks.
as far as sport fishing who cares its a fish and gets to live another day.
Don't they yank on the bull's genitals to enrage it? Other then by your significant other (and in a gentle fashion) would you enjoy having your genitals yanked as hard as possible, thrown into a frenzy, and then mounted for a joy ride?
As far as your opinion about fish goes, it can pretty much be applied to the torturing of any animals.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Topic Title: Does anybody else think it's bull the way NFL is treating Vick?
Now the Falcons are going to suspend him for 4 games due to fighting animals allegations. keep in mind when you're suspended no pay either.
Since when was an indictment a guilty verdict?
I think it's a shame.
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I believe the NFL has a behavior policy which does not require one to be convicted of a crime before they are punished.
Based on what little I have read about the case and the evidence I wouldn?t be surprised if Vick never plays in the NFL again.
Originally posted by: palehorse74
I hope he gets a fair trial; and then, afterwards, if he is found guilty, I hope they hang him by his balls from the nearest bridge...
Originally posted by: ayabe
This just isn't about dog fighting, but the horrible, cruel, and sadistic ways in which he allegedly killed the dogs, sorry but that's just sick.
Anyone trying to downplay the seriousness of this kind of behavior is f'ing retarded.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: ayabe
This just isn't about dog fighting, but the horrible, cruel, and sadistic ways in which he allegedly killed the dogs, sorry but that's just sick.
Anyone trying to downplay the seriousness of this kind of behavior is f'ing retarded.
Gimme a break drama queen - when a dove doesn't die after being blown from the sky you rip thier heads off to end it. I just caught about 50 crappie tonight and after taking them out of my live well all suffocated in bag I put in the fridge to fillet in the morning. What's the difference? Why are dogs so special? Bulls in Spain are brutally taunted, harrased and bleed to death for hours and everyone loves it. The cultural anthropological aspect is interesting to me to say the least. On the one hand we can brutalize each other and some animals but dogs are off limits.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: ayabe
This just isn't about dog fighting, but the horrible, cruel, and sadistic ways in which he allegedly killed the dogs, sorry but that's just sick.
Anyone trying to downplay the seriousness of this kind of behavior is f'ing retarded.
Gimme a break drama queen - when a dove doesn't die after being blown from the sky you rip thier heads off to end it. I just caught about 50 crappie tonight and after taking them out of my live well all suffocated in bag I put in the fridge to fillet in the morning. What's the difference? Why are dogs so special? Bulls in Spain are brutally taunted, harrased and bleed to death for hours and everyone loves it. The cultural anthropological aspect is interesting to me to say the least. On the one hand we can brutalize each other and some animals but dogs are off limits.
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: shira
Other than for the degree of cruelty and the sophistication of the animal's brain, what is the difference between dog-fighting and sports fishing?
Why is it acceptable - as "sport" - to entice an animal to snag itself on a metal hook, and then force it to fight for its life to the point of complete exhaustion? The fact that many of these fish are released alive doesn't excuse the terror they have been forced to experience.
Why, in the U.S., is it acceptable to raise cows for food, but not dogs?
We're all hypocrites.
Vick wasn't eating the dogs; he was torturing them throughout their life, then killing them if they didn't please him.
But you do raise an interesting point; why is it OK to torture some animals (sport fishing, rodeos), but not others? The simple answer is, it isn't. I personally don't think rodeos or sport fishing or other activities of this nature should be legal. They are cruel and barbaric and serve no purpose other than satisfying a sick, twisted desire within man to feel like a God.
I'm not one of those crazy PETA vegans who thinks animals deserve the exact same rights as people (have you noticed how those people always wear leather Birkenstocks? Oh, the irony...). I recognize the legitimacy of hunting and fishing as a means of consumption (but if you're just shooting something so you can frame it or steal it's tusks, you're a bastard). I eat meat at virtually every meal. I just think that there is a very clear line between justified killing and not. If you are killing an animal to eat it, or because it is diseased (rabies, etc.), then that's acceptable. If you get your jollies from torturing an animal for "sport," then killing it for pleasure, only to be fed to your next animal you torture for sport, then you are a sick, twisted individual.
Michael Vick should be shown just how great a "sport" this really is. Dump him in the ring with some lions and see how he fares.
:|
rodeo animals are not tortured. a LOT of money has been spent to breed and raise those animals and the people who own them and lease them to the rodeo circuit would go sh*t raving mad if any of their animals were mistreated in anyway. do you have any idea how much a rodeo bull or bucking horse cost? the only thing in the arena that gets hurt is the fool who tries to ride them. the bulls and broncs love it just like a reteiver loves fetching ducks.
as far as sport fishing who cares its a fish and gets to live another day.
Don't they yank on the bull's genitals to enrage it? Other then by your significant other (and in a gentle fashion) would you enjoy having your genitals yanked as hard as possible, thrown into a frenzy, and then mounted for a joy ride?
As far as your opinion about fish goes, it can pretty much be applied to the torturing of any animals.
no they dont yank the bull balls. your ignorance is amazing.
Originally posted by: piasabird
I can not see much difference between boxing and dog fighting.
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: shira
Other than for the degree of cruelty and the sophistication of the animal's brain, what is the difference between dog-fighting and sports fishing?
Why is it acceptable - as "sport" - to entice an animal to snag itself on a metal hook, and then force it to fight for its life to the point of complete exhaustion? The fact that many of these fish are released alive doesn't excuse the terror they have been forced to experience.
Why, in the U.S., is it acceptable to raise cows for food, but not dogs?
We're all hypocrites.
Vick wasn't eating the dogs; he was torturing them throughout their life, then killing them if they didn't please him.
But you do raise an interesting point; why is it OK to torture some animals (sport fishing, rodeos), but not others? The simple answer is, it isn't. I personally don't think rodeos or sport fishing or other activities of this nature should be legal. They are cruel and barbaric and serve no purpose other than satisfying a sick, twisted desire within man to feel like a God.
I'm not one of those crazy PETA vegans who thinks animals deserve the exact same rights as people (have you noticed how those people always wear leather Birkenstocks? Oh, the irony...). I recognize the legitimacy of hunting and fishing as a means of consumption (but if you're just shooting something so you can frame it or steal it's tusks, you're a bastard). I eat meat at virtually every meal. I just think that there is a very clear line between justified killing and not. If you are killing an animal to eat it, or because it is diseased (rabies, etc.), then that's acceptable. If you get your jollies from torturing an animal for "sport," then killing it for pleasure, only to be fed to your next animal you torture for sport, then you are a sick, twisted individual.
Michael Vick should be shown just how great a "sport" this really is. Dump him in the ring with some lions and see how he fares.
:|
rodeo animals are not tortured. a LOT of money has been spent to breed and raise those animals and the people who own them and lease them to the rodeo circuit would go sh*t raving mad if any of their animals were mistreated in anyway. do you have any idea how much a rodeo bull or bucking horse cost? the only thing in the arena that gets hurt is the fool who tries to ride them. the bulls and broncs love it just like a reteiver loves fetching ducks.
as far as sport fishing who cares its a fish and gets to live another day.
Don't they yank on the bull's genitals to enrage it? Other then by your significant other (and in a gentle fashion) would you enjoy having your genitals yanked as hard as possible, thrown into a frenzy, and then mounted for a joy ride?
As far as your opinion about fish goes, it can pretty much be applied to the torturing of any animals.
no they dont yank the bull balls. your ignorance is amazing.
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: shira
Other than for the degree of cruelty and the sophistication of the animal's brain, what is the difference between dog-fighting and sports fishing?
Why is it acceptable - as "sport" - to entice an animal to snag itself on a metal hook, and then force it to fight for its life to the point of complete exhaustion? The fact that many of these fish are released alive doesn't excuse the terror they have been forced to experience.
Why, in the U.S., is it acceptable to raise cows for food, but not dogs?
We're all hypocrites.
Vick wasn't eating the dogs; he was torturing them throughout their life, then killing them if they didn't please him.
But you do raise an interesting point; why is it OK to torture some animals (sport fishing, rodeos), but not others? The simple answer is, it isn't. I personally don't think rodeos or sport fishing or other activities of this nature should be legal. They are cruel and barbaric and serve no purpose other than satisfying a sick, twisted desire within man to feel like a God.
I'm not one of those crazy PETA vegans who thinks animals deserve the exact same rights as people (have you noticed how those people always wear leather Birkenstocks? Oh, the irony...). I recognize the legitimacy of hunting and fishing as a means of consumption (but if you're just shooting something so you can frame it or steal it's tusks, you're a bastard). I eat meat at virtually every meal. I just think that there is a very clear line between justified killing and not. If you are killing an animal to eat it, or because it is diseased (rabies, etc.), then that's acceptable. If you get your jollies from torturing an animal for "sport," then killing it for pleasure, only to be fed to your next animal you torture for sport, then you are a sick, twisted individual.
Michael Vick should be shown just how great a "sport" this really is. Dump him in the ring with some lions and see how he fares.
:|
rodeo animals are not tortured. a LOT of money has been spent to breed and raise those animals and the people who own them and lease them to the rodeo circuit would go sh*t raving mad if any of their animals were mistreated in anyway. do you have any idea how much a rodeo bull or bucking horse cost? the only thing in the arena that gets hurt is the fool who tries to ride them. the bulls and broncs love it just like a reteiver loves fetching ducks.
as far as sport fishing who cares its a fish and gets to live another day.
Don't they yank on the bull's genitals to enrage it? Other then by your significant other (and in a gentle fashion) would you enjoy having your genitals yanked as hard as possible, thrown into a frenzy, and then mounted for a joy ride?
As far as your opinion about fish goes, it can pretty much be applied to the torturing of any animals.
no they dont yank the bull balls. your ignorance is amazing.
Hence it was a question not a statement of fact. I'm just surprised how enraged the bulls get from someone sitting on their backs for 8 seconds.
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: glutenberg
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Originally posted by: shira
Other than for the degree of cruelty and the sophistication of the animal's brain, what is the difference between dog-fighting and sports fishing?
Why is it acceptable - as "sport" - to entice an animal to snag itself on a metal hook, and then force it to fight for its life to the point of complete exhaustion? The fact that many of these fish are released alive doesn't excuse the terror they have been forced to experience.
Why, in the U.S., is it acceptable to raise cows for food, but not dogs?
We're all hypocrites.
Vick wasn't eating the dogs; he was torturing them throughout their life, then killing them if they didn't please him.
But you do raise an interesting point; why is it OK to torture some animals (sport fishing, rodeos), but not others? The simple answer is, it isn't. I personally don't think rodeos or sport fishing or other activities of this nature should be legal. They are cruel and barbaric and serve no purpose other than satisfying a sick, twisted desire within man to feel like a God.
I'm not one of those crazy PETA vegans who thinks animals deserve the exact same rights as people (have you noticed how those people always wear leather Birkenstocks? Oh, the irony...). I recognize the legitimacy of hunting and fishing as a means of consumption (but if you're just shooting something so you can frame it or steal it's tusks, you're a bastard). I eat meat at virtually every meal. I just think that there is a very clear line between justified killing and not. If you are killing an animal to eat it, or because it is diseased (rabies, etc.), then that's acceptable. If you get your jollies from torturing an animal for "sport," then killing it for pleasure, only to be fed to your next animal you torture for sport, then you are a sick, twisted individual.
Michael Vick should be shown just how great a "sport" this really is. Dump him in the ring with some lions and see how he fares.
:|
rodeo animals are not tortured. a LOT of money has been spent to breed and raise those animals and the people who own them and lease them to the rodeo circuit would go sh*t raving mad if any of their animals were mistreated in anyway. do you have any idea how much a rodeo bull or bucking horse cost? the only thing in the arena that gets hurt is the fool who tries to ride them. the bulls and broncs love it just like a reteiver loves fetching ducks.
as far as sport fishing who cares its a fish and gets to live another day.
Don't they yank on the bull's genitals to enrage it? Other then by your significant other (and in a gentle fashion) would you enjoy having your genitals yanked as hard as possible, thrown into a frenzy, and then mounted for a joy ride?
As far as your opinion about fish goes, it can pretty much be applied to the torturing of any animals.
no they dont yank the bull balls. your ignorance is amazing.
Hence it was a question not a statement of fact. I'm just surprised how enraged the bulls get from someone sitting on their backs for 8 seconds.
have someone jump on your back, see how you like it
More proof mankind is disgusting and that we are all gods children (said the atheist):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3NueKXS6dk&eurl=
My point is that man (and i guess killer whales) is the only creature that gets off on violence and killing for fun and not for survival. Clearly other creatures are more than happy to coexist peacefully. And hippos kill more people in africa than any other animal. Go figure.
Originally posted by: Jmman
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I believe the NFL has a behavior policy which does not require one to be convicted of a crime before they are punished.
Based on what little I have read about the case and the evidence I wouldn?t be surprised if Vick never plays in the NFL again.
Bingo. Vick probably will not see another day on the field, and judging from the indictment, it couldn't happen to a nicer guy. All pro athletes have code of conduct clauses, which have different standards than criminal court........
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: marincounty
What I find ironic is this Michael Vick, who is basically a modern day gladiator playing in the NFL, is being prosecuted for fighting dogs, while fighting humans, in boxing matches, cage fighting, and the NFL is perfectly legal.
Right, because boxing and cage fighting is to the death, and when the loser doesn't die, but is too injured to make any more money, they drown him or beat him to death with bats. Yeah, ironic.
Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: marincounty
What I find ironic is this Michael Vick, who is basically a modern day gladiator playing in the NFL, is being prosecuted for fighting dogs, while fighting humans, in boxing matches, cage fighting, and the NFL is perfectly legal.
Right, because boxing and cage fighting is to the death, and when the loser doesn't die, but is too injured to make any more money, they drown him or beat him to death with bats. Yeah, ironic.
Boxers and Football players die every year from engaging in their sport, yet no one is screaming to ban them. (Sorry, Sweden already banned boxing)
This is overreaction by the Peta, animal rights fascists.
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: marincounty
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: marincounty
What I find ironic is this Michael Vick, who is basically a modern day gladiator playing in the NFL, is being prosecuted for fighting dogs, while fighting humans, in boxing matches, cage fighting, and the NFL is perfectly legal.
Right, because boxing and cage fighting is to the death, and when the loser doesn't die, but is too injured to make any more money, they drown him or beat him to death with bats. Yeah, ironic.
Boxers and Football players die every year from engaging in their sport, yet no one is screaming to ban them. (Sorry, Sweden already banned boxing)
This is overreaction by the Peta, animal rights fascists.
Can't believe I'm bothering to respond to your tortured argument. On the extremely rare occasion that a boxer or football player happens to die, it is by accident, and not the very foundation and purpose of the sport. There is a difference between dangerous activities that engender the chance for severe injury, and activities of which the purpose is to inflict severe injury. We don't ban skiing, NASCAR, surfing, crossing the street, or appearing on talk shows even though people sometimes die doing these activities because their main purpose is to do something other than die.
Before you start blathering about how in boxing the intention is to severly injure the other boxer, recognize that they voluntarily get in the ring, they wear gloves, have a ref ready to break up a match when it gets lopsided, and ringside doctors ready to administer aid if it becomes necessary. They don't get put in cages after the fight, they aren't tortured to become mean, and they don't drown the loser.