Originally posted by: Zebo
I guess this dog fighting deal is huge with some people... Used to be a gentleman's sport...suit and tie affair in the 40's in the south. I am indifferent to it i guess.. not something I'd go see but at the same time animals are just that animals. I shoot them catch them and feel they are food and lessor in some way. No Biggie and dogs like to fight so let them.
No one is suggesting that he should not be punished if he is found guilty. We are merely suggesting that we wait until he is proven guilty, not merely accused, before punishment.Originally posted by: ericlp
Do you even have any pet animals?
I guess to me, I don't see any difference in humans (primates) then any other animals on this earth. We are all here to live together. Hunting and trapping / eating is different then watching a dog suffer and die. They don't normally fight and if they do they don't fight to the death. Usually a pack has an alpha member that keeps everyone else in line.
Humans do some incredible inhuman things to animals that they are betting on. Money makes people go the extra mile to win. Most of the EXTRA stuff is pure evil and rotten. I don't think training a dog all it's life to be extremely aggressive to other animals is natural in nature.
Dogfighting is illegal in all 50 states and a felony offense in almost every state. How hard is it to FOLLOW THE LAWS in the USA? That is why we have laws... You want to do illegal acts then don't you think we should punish him? I do, what's so hard about that?
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Ok? someone who works at a day care center is arrested and accused of molesting a child. Do you wait until that person is convicted before you remove them from their job and cut off their access to other children?
The NFL has an image to protect and there is a LOT of money riding on protecting that image. It is in their best interest to be proactive in a case like this.
And think about it? if the NFL allows Vick to play his presence will overshadow everything that happens on the field. They can?t afford to let this happen.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We have created a dog eat dog world and the dog fight allows us to feel our feelings about our own lives vicariously. The viciousness and violence the dogs do to each other is just like what we do and what is done to us. We are magnetized always by our own unconscious feelings and seek to experience them always indirectly by a back door.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Now the Falcons are going to suspend him for 4 games due to fighting animals allegations. keep in mind when you're suspended no pay either. Since when was an indictment a guilty verdict? I think it's a shame.
Originally posted by: shira
Other than for the degree of cruelty and the sophistication of the animal's brain, what is the difference between dog-fighting and sports fishing?
Why is it acceptable - as "sport" - to entice an animal to snag itself on a metal hook, and then force it to fight for its life to the point of complete exhaustion? The fact that many of these fish are released alive doesn't excuse the terror they have been forced to experience.
Why, in the U.S., is it acceptable to raise cows for food, but not dogs?
We're all hypocrites.
And we used to enjoy a good gladiatorial session, too, didn't we?Originally posted by: Zebo
I guess this dog fighting deal is huge with some people... Used to be a gentleman's sport...suit and tie affair in the 40's in the south. I am indifferent to it i guess.. not something I'd go see but at the same time animals are just that animals. I shoot them catch them and feel they are food and lessor in some way. No Biggie and dogs like to fight so let them.
Originally posted by: Zebo
I guess this dog fighting deal is huge with some people... Used to be a gentleman's sport...suit and tie affair in the 40's in the south. I am indifferent to it i guess.. not something I'd go see but at the same time animals are just that animals. I shoot them catch them and feel they are food and lessor in some way. No Biggie and dogs like to fight so let them.
In or about April 2007, PEACE, PHILLIPS, and VICK executed approximately 8 dogs that did not perform well in "testing" sessions...by various methods, including hanging, drowning, and slamming at least one dog's body to the ground."
South Carolina's attorney general Henry McMaster paints an equally gruesome picture.
He tells of dogs being poked with electric prods to make them go harder during training, or being tied to the back of a pickup for long, grueling runs. He said he believes family pets have been stolen to serve as "bait dogs" ? helpless animals that help ensure a pit bull has the proper bloodlust for an actual fight.
"They will tape the mouth shut so the bait dog can't hurt their prized pit bull," McMaster said. "Then they'll put them in the pit and let them be chewed to pieces. They want their dogs to learn how to kill."
Originally posted by: shira
Other than for the degree of cruelty and the sophistication of the animal's brain, what is the difference between dog-fighting and sports fishing?
So, you think the degree of cruelty isn't enough to make it illegal?
Why is it acceptable - as "sport" - to entice an animal to snag itself on a metal hook, and then force it to fight for its life to the point of complete exhaustion? The fact that many of these fish are released alive doesn't excuse the terror they have been forced to experience.
Why, in the U.S., is it acceptable to raise cows for food, but not dogs?
We're all hypocrites.