Does American society view homosexuality as moral?

[HAL9000]

Nope... that section cites Webster.com and Dictionary.com as sources... and a European Parliament resolution (which has no relevance to the US). Nothing in those two sources indicates anything about prejudice.

Additionally, further down in the Dictionary.com page on homophobia, it lists this as the definition, from the Collins English dictionary:

Hence my thread the definition has changed.

 

[zsdersw]

Hence my thread the definition has changed.

Not to what you think it has.. when the two relevant sources cited do not bear out what Wikipedia claims about prejudice being an example.

 

[HAL9000]

Not to what you think it has.. when the two relevant sources cited do not bear out what Wikipedia claims about prejudice being an example.

Princeton dictionary then, quoted earlier.

Whether we use the term homophobia or not, we need a term for prejudice agains homosexuals, like we have racism and sexism for prejudice against race and sex. if you prefer homoism.

 

[werepossum]

Hence my thread the definition has changed.

Bottom line (no pun intended) - no one owes you approval of your lifestyle. If you want the approval of a particular person or group, behave in such a manner as to earn that approval. If you want the respect of others for your life choices, you must first be willing to grant them the same respect. Can you really respect those who find your lifestyle to be immoral? I suspect the answer would be no, yet you demand they respect you. Ain't gonna happen.

Eventually you'll learn that you can't please everyone, and that demands that they respect your lifestyle will merely lead to less respect. At that point you can either become sullen and sulky, or you can set your sights a bit lower. Most of us find tolerance of our lifestyles and respect for our G-d given rights to be quite enough without demanding that others respect our choices, and I fail to see why a homosexual or bisexual should be any different. I have no problem with a fundamentalist telling me I shouldn't have the occasional whiskey or that I should go to church every Sunday or watch R-rated movies or play violent video games, as long as they are not trying to infringe on my rights to make those decisions for myself. Certainly zsdersw has no problem with people believing homosexuality is immoral; his problem is with people who try to legally constrict his behavior to comply with their beliefs where there is no pressing societal need* to do so. Hopefully you too will realize that the beliefs and approval of others are not usually germane to your own happiness. Your neighbor believing that your lifestyle is immoral will not prevent you from seeking happiness; your preoccupation with what your neighbor thinks about your lifestyle will.

*That's not a hard and fast rule. If your preference is to kill and cannibalize your lovers, clearly there is a pressing societal need to infringe on your freedom. My own preference is to club senseless those who pull out in front of me because they "didn't notice" my bike or run me out of the road because they can't put down the F'n phone; I can accept that society has a pressing societal need to infringe on my freedom to do so.

 

[HAL9000]

Bottom line (no pun intended) - no one owes you approval of your lifestyle. If you want the approval of a particular person or group, behave in such a manner as to earn that approval. If you want the respect of others for your life choices, you must first be willing to grant them the same respect. Can you really respect those who find your lifestyle to be immoral? I suspect the answer would be no, yet you demand they respect you. Ain't gonna happen.

Eventually you'll learn that you can't please everyone, and that demands that they respect your lifestyle will merely lead to less respect. At that point you can either become sullen and sulky, or you can set your sights a bit lower. Most of us find tolerance of our lifestyles and respect for our G-d given rights to be quite enough without demanding that others respect our choices, and I fail to see why a homosexual or bisexual should be any different. I have no problem with a fundamentalist telling me I shouldn't have the occasional whiskey or that I should go to church every Sunday or watch R-rated movies or play violent video games, as long as they are not trying to infringe on my rights to make those decisions for myself. Certainly zsdersw has no problem with people believing homosexuality is immoral; his problem is with people who try to legally constrict his behavior to comply with their beliefs where there is no pressing societal need* to do so. Hopefully you too will realize that the beliefs and approval of others are not usually germane to your own happiness. Your neighbor believing that your lifestyle is immoral will not prevent you from seeking happiness; your preoccupation with what your neighbor thinks about your lifestyle will.

*That's not a hard and fast rule. If your preference is to kill and cannibalize your lovers, clearly there is a pressing societal need to infringe on your freedom. My own preference is to club senseless those who pull out in front of me because they "didn't notice" my bike or run me out of the road because they can't put down the F'n phone; I can accept that society has a pressing societal need to infringe on my freedom to do so.

I completely agree, I'm trying to change no ones mind, I know that these people exist. It makes no difference in my life, I have just been arguing about the definition. If someone wants to be a homophobe that's fine by me, as you say I have no respect for people like that, but it doesn't matter to me that they exist. It's like arguing with a creationist, it's a waste of time, and caring what they think is even more of a waste of time.

I just think semantics are important.

 

[jonks]

My own preference is to club senseless those who pull out in front of me...or run me out of the road because they can't put down the F'n phone

were you in human or possum form at the time? can't expect everyone to recognize a 'thrope while driving, ya know?

 

[werepossum]

were you in human or possum form at the time? can't expect everyone to recognize a 'thrope while driving, ya know?

I never ride in possum form, scratches the grips.

 

[Craig234]

I voted 50-50. Things are trending the right way but there's a long way to go.

 

[piasabird]

What the hell is a homophobe? Is that some gay curseword to call people who stand up against the Gay Lifestyle? So are Gays Straight-O-Phobes? How silly this leftist name calling is? Why do liberals want to call people names?

 

[HAL9000]

What the hell is a homophobe? Is that some gay curseword to call people who stand up against the Gay Lifestyle? So are Gays Straight-O-Phobes? How silly this leftist name calling is? Why do liberals want to call people names?

It's generally a term for retards who are prejudiced against/ hate/ fear homosexuals. I imagine there are hererophobes but I haven't met any...

 

[zsdersw]

Princeton dictionary then, quoted earlier.

Two dictionaries don't include "prejudice", versus one that does.

Whether we use the term homophobia or not, we need a term for prejudice agains homosexuals, like we have racism and sexism for prejudice against race and sex. if you prefer homoism.

I agree... but don't think the term "homophobe" and "homophobia" is accurate.

 

[Atreus21]

Princeton dictionary then, quoted earlier.

Whether we use the term homophobia or not, we need a term for prejudice agains homosexuals, like we have racism and sexism for prejudice against race and sex. if you prefer homoism.

Sexualorientationism.

 

[Tom]

I only view it if it's hot lesbians.

 

[HAL9000]

Two dictionaries don't include "prejudice", versus one that does.

Then we agree to disagree.

I agree... but don't think the term "homophobe" and "homophobia" is accurate.

Fair enough.

Sexualorientationism.

That works but it's a bit of a mouthful

 

[zsdersw]

That works but it's a bit of a mouthful

I'm sure that's the first time you've complained about that! :awe:

 

[HAL9000]

I'm sure that's the first time you've complained about that! :awe:

Oh you... :$

 

[piasabird]

Maybe we should call gays Monosexualites.

Thus the term Monosexiopathic.

Still dont know what to call people who fear religion.

Geophobes. Maybe that is fear of earth also?

Maybe Theophobia. Theos referring to Diety, so we can embrace all godlike figures, even the Spaghetti Monster.

 

[HAL9000]

Maybe we should call gays Monosexualites.

Thus the term Monosexiopathic.

Still dont know what to call people who fear religion.

Geophobes. Maybe that is fear of earth also?

Why?

What are you talking about...?

 

[jonks]

Maybe we should call gays Monosexualites.

Doesn't make sense. Hetero means other, Homo means same, Mono means one.

 

[HAL9000]

Doesn't make sense. Hetero means other, Homo means same, Mono means one.

This is what I was wondering. The rest of his edited post made no sense either.

 

[HAL9000]

Maybe we should call gays Monosexualites. That would mean "One sex preference"

Thus the term Monosexiopathic. That would mean "People with one sex disorder"

Still dont know what to call people who fear religion. We fear the delusional grouping together against the logical

Geophobes. Maybe that is fear of earth also? I don't know your point here

Maybe Theophobia. Theos referring to Diety, so we can embrace all godlike figures, even the Spaghetti Monster. Deludaphobe would work better

My comments in bold.