Dodge Viper production might end in 2017.

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Brian Stirling

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About a dozen years ago I was visiting my niece in Aliso Viejo California and we stopped by a coffee shop off the PCH in Laguna Beach. While sitting there I saw a couple Vipers drive by on the PCH and then a few more. Over the course of about 45 minutes or so there had to have been over a hundred Vipers drive by.

I guess if you can afford to live near the ocean in Cali a Viper is/was an affordable weekend car.


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JulesMaximus

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About a dozen years ago I was visiting my niece in Aliso Viejo California and we stopped by a coffee shop off the PCH in Laguna Beach. While sitting there I saw a couple Vipers drive by on the PCH and then a few more. Over the course of about 45 minutes or so there had to have been over a hundred Vipers drive by.

I guess if you can afford to live near the ocean in Cali a Viper is/was an affordable weekend car.

Brian

I live near the ocean in SoCal, have lived here for more than 25 years, and I almost never see Vipers on the roads here. Must have been a special event to get so many old people out and about in their garage queens. ;)

There was a guy who was driving his daily for a couple months but he stopped driving it because I never seem to see him anymore.

Edit-I just popped on Autotrader.com and found 25 used Vipers for sale within 100 miles of me (within 100 miles of me easily encompasses all of Orange County and San Diego). The highest mileage one had 56,000 miles on it and it is a 2003 so that's 4,600 miles a year on average for that car. The next highest was 43,000 miles on a 2008 Viper (this was the newest high mileage car by far). All the rest were older and lower mileage, fully half of them had less than 20,000 miles on them and some had less than 5,000 miles on them. I saw a 2008 SRT10 with 2,400 miles on it and a 2002 Viper with only 1,600 miles on it. There was also a 1994 Viper with 7,900 miles on it. That's less than 400 miles per year.

People just aren't driving these cars.
 
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Brian Stirling

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I live near the ocean in SoCal, have lived here for more than 25 years, and I almost never see Vipers on the roads here. Must have been a special event to get so many old people out and about in their garage queens. ;)

There was a guy who was driving his daily for a couple months but he stopped driving it because I never seem to see him anymore.

Edit-I just popped on Autotrader.com and found 25 used Vipers for sale within 100 miles of me (within 100 miles of me easily encompasses all of Orange County and San Diego). The highest mileage one had 56,000 miles on it and it is a 2003 so that's 4,600 miles a year on average for that car. The next highest was 43,000 miles on a 2008 Viper (this was the newest high mileage car by far). All the rest were older and lower mileage, fully half of them had less than 20,000 miles on them and some had less than 5,000 miles on them. I saw a 2008 SRT10 with 2,400 miles on it and a 2002 Viper with only 1,600 miles on it. There was also a 1994 Viper with 7,900 miles on it. That's less than 400 miles per year.

People just aren't driving these cars.

I just went through some of my old pictures and found several from that day, but it was 5/7/2000 so fifteen years ago.

I'll see if I can post them...

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JulesMaximus

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I just went through some of my old pictures and found several from that day, but it was 5/7/2000 so fifteen years ago.

I'll see if I can post them...

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Brian

I don't doubt that you saw what you saw I'm just saying this was an organized event. This is not typical. You don't see Vipers all over the place in Newport.
 

madoka

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I don't doubt that you saw what you saw I'm just saying this was an organized event. This is not typical. You don't see Vipers all over the place in Newport.

Exactly.

I saw a caravan of 18-20 Corvettes on the 210 the other day. They were probably heading to some event together. The GT-R guys try to organize them all the time.
 

master_shake_

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Exactly.

I saw a caravan of 18-20 Corvettes on the 210 the other day. They were probably heading to some event together. The GT-R guys try to organize them all the time.

you see corvette and viper drivers are usually retired and have nothing better to do.

gt-r drivers are typically young and have stuff going on.

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Elfear

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Yeah, but what are you going to do with it? Drive it to Starbucks and pose with it every Saturday? No way you could live with a car like this on a daily basis... which is why you never see them on the road.

Two words: Garage Queen

That could be said of any sports car with two seats. I see no reason why you couldn't have a Viper or other two-seater as a daily driver. That was just my plan for a C6 I bought a few years ago and it would have been a daily driver if I hadn't run into a deadbeat seller and legal issues. You'd have to have something else for areas with snow/ice but most of the year you could drive it.

Doesn't the same principal apply to your bike? You don't just use it for "posing at Starbucks" do you? ;)
 

JulesMaximus

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That could be said of any sports car with two seats. I see no reason why you couldn't have a Viper or other two-seater as a daily driver. That was just my plan for a C6 I bought a few years ago and it would have been a daily driver if I hadn't run into a deadbeat seller and legal issues. You'd have to have something else for areas with snow/ice but most of the year you could drive it.

Doesn't the same principal apply to your bike? You don't just use it for "posing at Starbucks" do you? ;)

I guess you could use a Viper as a DD. For the most part though the people who own them don't use them in that way. From what I've read about them they just aren't comfortable to live with on a daily basis.

I guess it just comes down to how much discomfort you're willing to put up with.

I found an amusing little article on what it's like to daily drive a Viper though. :D



Have you ever played darts with a sledgehammer?

People ask me all the time what this car is like, and it's hard to explain, but I will try to answer this question here with the help of some reasonable and not-at-all hyperbolic analogies.

A Viper is basically a cartoon on PCP. Remember how in Who Framed Roger Rabbit? there were cartoons mixed in the real world, so there would be a row of normal cars and then a crazy cartoon car at the end? That's what it feels like every time I walk out to the parking lot.

Someone once said to me that the Viper was a great car for an Engineer, which is kind of like saying a bazooka is a great toothbrush for a Dentist. A well engineered car is a balance of many different variables which are often at odds with each other. If you have too much power, you might lose out on fuel mileage. Great ride comfort will affect handling.

Dodge did not balance these variables with the Viper, they just cranked displacement and tires up to 11 and to hell with everything else. The suspension looks like it might have some thought put into it, but the springs are so stiff that the suspension doesn't actually do anything.

Several of the parts are carryover from other Chrysler products, like the roller lifters which are the same part number as the ones in my minivan. This is awesome because most of the parts cost relatively little to fix or replace and they are perfectly suitable for use on the Viper, except for the brakes which are only perfectly suitable as long as you always get lost on the way to the racetrack.

The Viper-only parts are a little more pricey, like the airbags which go for $2500 used and the clamshell hood which costs about as much as a new Civic. Given the cost of these parts and the Viper's propensity to spin out for like, no reason, it is no surprise that there are so many with salvage titles. Minor front end damage = total loss.

The fluids are all supposed to be full synthetic, which you should use anyway, but the service interval is a lot lower than most cars, and it gets pricey when you realize that the engine holds 8 trillion quarts of oil.

Chrysler does not make a lot of great vehicles, and I know this because I've owned six of them. I also know this because I spend some time with my head jammed in the fender wells of fancy German cars thinking, "Wow, that's really clever," and also some time crawling underneath Chrysler products thinking "Wow, that is literally the laziest possible way to do that." Maybe it is because my first three cars were Chrysler products, but I always find some charm in them. When I see something haphazardly bolted to the firewall in a seeming random location with total disregard for serviceability or NVH, I always imagine some Chrysler engineer, we'll call him Roy, saying "It's just an ABS pump, what do you want from me?"
And I shrug my shoulders.

That guy engineered the Viper. He took the biggest small block Chrysler made, added two cylinders, and put it into a body designed by a 12 year old whose only two dreams in life were to design an awesome car, and to hunt bears with a rocket launcher from space.

That's how the Viper came to be.

Probably.

After the second generation, the Viper classed itself up a little. It's like that friend of yours that got a nice haircut, started showering every day, and traded his oil-stained jeans and Metallica concert tee for a nice button up shirt and khakis. Sure, he looks like a classy professional, but you still remember that time he got kicked out of the Waffle House for throwing up on the jukebox.

Okay, so I lied about not using hyperbole, but that's really what the Viper is. It is an exaggeration of a normal car. If you take yourself seriously while driving it, you will look ridiculous. Driving it is kind of like wearing a clown wig. A clown wig that is on fire.

It's not a good car, but it is, in a few ways, a great car. It is what it is, unapologetically. You know what you're getting into. It is all laid out on the window sticker: It gets 11 miles per gallon, it has 460 horsepower, and at some point you will slide full oppo into a tree.

I get asked all the time what it is like to own one. You want to know what it is like? Go buy one. Work hard for a few years, save your pennies and get a used one; they cost about the same as a V6 Accord. Buy one and drive it every day for 6 months, then sell it and use the money to buy a Lotus Elise and drive that for 6 months. Then, after you've realized that what you thought was a great idea in college is not actually a great idea, sell it and use the money to buy a V6 Accord. Then casually waft to work every day in the quiet comfort of cushy suspension and cupholders, knowing what that guy in the Viper next to you on the 405 is slowly figuring out: That driving a Viper is like driving a cartoon bazooka that shoots sledgehammers while wearing a flaming clown wig and throwing up on the jukebox at the Waffle House.
I've driven a Mazda Miata and I know I could live with that car as a daily driver. I've driven a Lotus Elise and I know that I could not live with that car as a daily driver. I suspect I could not live with a Viper as a daily driver either but for entirely different reasons. I'll also fully acknowledge that I have never driven a Viper and that I'm just going off reviews that I've read over the years. They all seem to go about the way that this review did though.
 
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master_shake_

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I guess you could use a Viper as a DD. For the most part though the people who own them don't use them in that way. From what I've read about them they just aren't comfortable to live with on a daily basis.

I guess it just comes down to how much discomfort you're willing to put up with.

I found an amusing little article on what it's like to daily drive a Viper though. :D





I could live with a 2 seat Miata as a daily driver. I suspect I could not live with a Viper as a daily driver... but then I've never driven one either.


oh my god i'm dying.

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Brian Stirling

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I don't doubt that you saw what you saw I'm just saying this was an organized event. This is not typical. You don't see Vipers all over the place in Newport.

Well, I think you may be right that it was some event as this occurred on May 7th 2000 -- a Sunday. If an event is going to happen Sunday is probably the most likely day of the week.

I've never driven a Viper or been in one for that matter, but full on sports cars tend not to be all that much fun to drive on a daily basis as the ride is too harsh and fuel mileage tends to suck. OTH, a more modern car like the Tesla can change its personality at the press of a button so you can chose full on sports mode when that's desired but at other times chose land yacht mode for cruising -- best of both worlds.


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I can relate to parts of that, but driven rationally the Viper is completely docile. It has so much grip and so much braking power that exceeding its limits on the street means you were doing something horribly illegal. The clutch is stiff, but it has so much torque at idle that it's near impossible to kill, and so much grip that unless you intentionally rev and drop the clutch you aren't going to get wheelspin - It's pretty much the perfect car to learn to drive stick in IMO.

Yes you need to be careful in cold weather until the tires warm up, and yes you don't want to be caught in the rain. But in reasonably warm weather it's an extremely easy car to drive and comfortable for trips <2 hours or so. The ride is much less harsh than a typical 3-series (I don't use runflats). The footwells get quite warm in the summer, but switching to high flow cats dramatically reduces that. In the winter it's actually my favorite car to drive (aside from waiting for the tires to warm up) as it has so much radiant heat that normal cars don't have.

I know the guy that wrote that owned one, and some parts are fairly accurate (though 11 mpg is a stretch, I average around 9), but in general it's just more of the same 'OMG it wants to KILL YOU' nonsense that people toss around about the Viper.

Viper GTS
 

jlee

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From the guy whose answer to every car question is a 10+ year old Lexus LX. :p

I'm kind of thinking of changing that in the not so distant future but I'm not getting the kind of car that someone who is 10 years old would hang a poster of on his wall. We will see what I end up with. I'll keep the Camry Hybrid for commuting duty for sure... as long as I have the 70 mile commute anyway.

No, my answer to every SUV question is a Lexus LX/GX (because you really can't do any better).

My answer to (almost) every sports car question is MR2. You should know this by now. :colbert:
 

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Makes me sad to be reading the latest rumors of the conner plant shutting down. I don't expect the car to be made forever given that the thing is a T-rex on wheels.

To add to the driveability discussion, there are big differences between generations. I have a Gen III(2006) coupe and it is a delight to drive. Shockingly easy to drive and snugly in those seats. It also fits a surprising amount of crap in it if you need. I packed in a ton of wedding gifts after my recent wedding for my dad to drive back.

Overall I am curious if a true advertised "death" of this car would drive collectors to the car, I feel it is already such great value for the money and it is fairly rare as it is.
 
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http://www.autoblog.com/2015/11/04/2016-dodge-viper-acr-13-lap-records-video/

Beat the 918 by over a second at Laguna Seca. There's no replacement for displacement (in this case that'd be the air displacement via the splitter and rear wing). Plus considering its running on some Kumho's and not the...(d'oh forget what the dominant performance tire is now that everyone else seems to be running Pilot Sport Cup 2s?), wonder how that impacts things (could be in the Viper's favor but might also be a slight hindrance).

I wish Dodge would just turn it into a turn key race car. Use the platform for performance testing too.