Documentary on Koch brothers being made

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Craig234

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You keep equating this with criminal activity, but there is none. This has nothing to do with bribes. The Koch's gave money without restriction. They are 100% within there rights to end that voluntary support at any time for any reason, ANY REASON, or no reason at all. It's absolutely above board, it's unquestionably legal. The decision will stand up to any scrutiny. You don't like it because you don't like the Koch's, that makes it an emotional issue for you, which has no standing with me.

I can't be any more clear than that. We'll have to agree to disagree, because you can't produce an argument that will make me believe that the Koch's were in any way acting outside the realm of normal, acceptable, legal behavior. No one's rights were infringed, the movie can still be made, PBS is free to fund anything they want, and the Koch's have absolutely no legal or moral requirement to fund it.

No, I don't. Apparently you can't read very well on that, since I have repeatedly said that, and provided on-criminal examples. My question on bribery has nothing to do with its criminality - it would be exactly the same question if it wwre legal, and it applies just as much to forms of bribery which are 'wrong' but legal.

You continue to be dishonest, making false and baseless accusations, which you repeat after having them corrected.

No one's rights were ingringed? The rights of PBS to a reputation for integrity, the rights of the viewer to content free of corrupt influence, the right of the filmmakers to tell the truth.

You aren't even following the point - the censorship directly was by PBS.
 

dank69

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You keep equating this with criminal activity, but there is none. This has nothing to do with bribes. The Koch's gave money without restriction. They are 100% within there rights to end that voluntary support at any time for any reason, ANY REASON, or no reason at all. It's absolutely above board, it's unquestionably legal. The decision will stand up to any scrutiny. You don't like it because you don't like the Koch's, that makes it an emotional issue for you, which has no standing with me.

I can't be any more clear than that. We'll have to agree to disagree, because you can't produce an argument that will make me believe that the Koch's were in any way acting outside the realm of normal, acceptable, legal behavior. No one's rights were infringed, the movie can still be made, PBS is free to fund anything they want, and the Koch's have absolutely no legal or moral requirement to fund it.
Let me put it this way for you to help make the issue a little less muddy. It doesn't matter if the Koch's had any involvement at all in the decision to pull the funding for this film. That isn't the central point. Even if the Koch's didn't say a word to PBS, there is still shame on PBS for pulling the funding. They even admit they did so out of concern for their donor. THAT is what is not right.
 

blankslate

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I love how they got more from kickstarter to make the film than PBS would have given them before the Koch brothers leaned on PBS.
 

Craig234

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I love how they got more from kickstarter to make the film than PBS would have given them before the Koch brothers leaned on PBS.

That did work out well, but of course does not make it ok.

Hopefully, they'll release a good film. This is way overdue - need more of them.

I hate to say, I'm usually disappointed by these documentaries.

It's hard to think of one really good liberal documentary maker, but several mixed ones.