Doc says smoking pot ok

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Cheeseburger
Gee wiz.

Using drugs to overcome life's stress instead of dealing with it like everyone else.

How American.

:beer:

What hypocrisy! Raising a beer mug at an ignorant comment. As if alcohol isn't used to "overcome life's stress"
Ever hear of AA? How many millions of alcoholics use alcohol to overcome life's stress?

:roll:

You're an idiot. Go away.

Another fine example of compassionate conservatism.. I'm sure popping pills like his idol Limbaugh is completely acceptable.

You asshats assume EVERYTHING! Christ! Get off it. Did I SAY that alcohol was a better way to waste your life away? FVCKING HELL... :| Back off already! :| And how the hell did pills come into this?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Cheeseburger

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Cheeseburger
Gee wiz.

Using drugs to overcome life's stress instead of dealing with it like everyone else.

How American.

:beer:

Figures you'd show up. Please do the thread a favor and exit along with Cheeseburger since you're incapable of accepting the facts about marijuana.

EDIT: When I say "facts", I mean real facts, not your version of the facts that support your view that all pot smokers should be strung up and shot.

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Uh...yeah. Did I say marijuana was completely free of risks? No. However, it's hardly the threat to society that the gummint tries to make it out to be. We've also seen the long-term effects of abusing tobacco and alcohol over an extended period of time but I don't see you bitching about that because "it's legal".

And the last thing we need to do is legalize something else that negatively affects the body just because X and Y are already legal...

BTW, Gurck, what other articles on WebMD would make you think that they 'lean conservative'? It seems to be a medical facts website to me... unless telling the truth is 'leaning conservative'? 😛

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Cheeseburger

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Cheeseburger
Gee wiz.

Using drugs to overcome life's stress instead of dealing with it like everyone else.

How American.

:beer:

Figures you'd show up. Please do the thread a favor and exit along with Cheeseburger since you're incapable of accepting the facts about marijuana.

EDIT: When I say "facts", I mean real facts, not your version of the facts that support your view that all pot smokers should be strung up and shot.

here

here

here

here

Uh...yeah. Did I say marijuana was completely free of risks? No. However, it's hardly the threat to society that the gummint tries to make it out to be. We've also seen the long-term effects of abusing tobacco and alcohol over an extended period of time but I don't see you bitching about that because "it's legal".

Wait!!! I like where he is going... Apply this logic to his 'at least its legal' stance. Now look up all the various harms of legal drugs. Compare. He still loses...

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
its blatently obvious that constantly smoking pot for 50 years isn't healthy. Same thing for alcohol, except alcohols aggregate effects are much worse.

I find it much more respect-worthy and appealing to live a life of ~60 years and end it having fully enjoyed my time here than one of ~80 years, scared to do/smoke/eat anything fun. That's just me.

true, my point was for those that are bringing up articles that say pot isn't healthy. We know that if you smoke chronically, you will have problems, regardless of the substance.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Gurck
Cannabis poisoning? What are you smoking? 😛 You'd pass out long, long, long, long, long before even approaching that level of it in your blood. What are you, a DEA employee? Please stop spreading misinformation.

It's theoretical, not proven as of yet. It is technically possible to overdose on THC. (It's possible to overdose on anything) What I'm saying is that if there is an attainable level of THC in your bloodstream that could kill you high-potentcy breeds of pot will make it possible to get there. And yes, more than likely you'll pass out before you get anywhere close.

However you can get desensitized to the effects of anything, THC included. If the story posted in The Mirror has any merits to it that guy was a prime candidate to OD on THC, as he was apparantly smoking regularly (you could even say religiously) for years. The level at which something makes you pass out can change; the level at which that something can kill you (mostly) cannot.

 

[chasem]

Originally posted by: crooked22
marijuana is the least harmful, but the most EVIL of the three

Really.

How can that drug be most evil and least harmful?

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
And the last thing we need to do is legalize something else that negatively affects the body just because X and Y are already legal...

Why not? It makes perfect sense. If the cigarettes and alcohol are legal it utterly defies logic that marijuana is not legal. There are plenty of other things that negatively affect the body that are also legal why single out marijuana?

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
BTW, Gurck, what other articles on WebMD would make you think that they 'lean conservative'? It seems to be a medical facts website to me... unless telling the truth is 'leaning conservative'? 😛

Their stance on ephedra - it reads like a Reefer Madness pamphlet. Properly used, the stuff is an excellent tool for fighting fat, but rather than just come out and say that it's not for everyone because you need an >75 IQ to properly use it, they go on, and on, and on, and... about how dangerous it is :roll: Again, you'll find just as many studies finding the opposite of what theirs claim.

Like anything else important to the vast majority of people, medicine can lean either way, on the one end of the extreme refusing treatment, as sickness is "God's Will", on the other end these hippie doctors... what do they call them? homeopathic... At any rate, webMD without a doubt has a bit of a conservative lean to them.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: chasem

Originally posted by: crooked22
marijuana is the least harmful, but the most EVIL of the three

Really.

How can that drug be most evil and least harmful?

I wouldn't call it 'evil' but it does provide noticeable results a lot quicker than the other two.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
BTW, Gurck, what other articles on WebMD would make you think that they 'lean conservative'? It seems to be a medical facts website to me... unless telling the truth is 'leaning conservative'? 😛

Their stance on ephedra - it reads like a Reefer Madness pamphlet. Properly used, the stuff is an excellent tool for fighting fat, but rather than just come out and say that it's not for everyone because you need an >75 IQ to properly use it, they go on, and on, and on, and... about how dangerous it is :roll: Again, you'll find just as many studies finding the opposite of what theirs claim.

Like anything else important to the vast majority of people, medicine can lean either way, on the one end of the extreme refusing treatment, as sickness is "God's Will", on the other end these hippie doctors... what do they call them? homeopathic... At any rate, webMD without a doubt has a bit of a conservative lean to them.

I think the banning of ephedra was pretty stupid. Why didn't they just control it instead of banning? Hell, prescription only ephedra would be better than no ephedra. The problem with that drug was that random punks could go into their local gas station and buy 4 ephadra pills for $1.99 or whatever the price was.

I guess the other problem is that you have people with blood pressure issues, like me, who were too stupid to actually read the warning label.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

And the last thing we need to do is legalize something else that negatively affects the body just because X and Y are already legal...

BTW, Gurck, what other articles on WebMD would make you think that they 'lean conservative'? It seems to be a medical facts website to me... unless telling the truth is 'leaning conservative'? 😛

it only negatively affects the body if it is done chronically over time. It seems to have a nice, positive affect on me when I use it, lightly. The fact that the "other two" are legal isn't justification that pot should be legal. Pot should be legal for many reasons. It should also be regulated like alcohol. I'd rather it be regulated, because then I know some dealer didn't soak the buds in Formula409 for an extra kick.

 

[farmercal]

FFMCobalt you sound a little stessed. Go smoke a doobie, you'll feel more relaxed.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
There's a big leap of logic between saying "it's ok to do it" and "it's not as bad as the alternatives".

Is there really that big of a leap? Considering most males on atot believe opening beer is a "MALE NECESSITIY". If Pot is not as bad as beer, then it should be a male necessity at the very least. I think a male necessity fales under "it's ok". In other words, I don't think that leap is very big...

 

[Fingolfin269]

I think I could support the legalization of marijuana only if it were strictly regulated and if the product was limited to only 'Made in the USA' weed. 😛

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Phoenix86

Originally posted by: Cheeseburger

Originally posted by: Encryptic

Originally posted by: Cheeseburger

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK

Originally posted by: Cheeseburger
Gee wiz.

Using drugs to overcome life's stress instead of dealing with it like everyone else.

How American.

the way you put it makes you sound ignorant. What I went through wasn't "life's stresses" it was more like a severe act of corporate fraud followed by a death threat from a pyscho cop, to say the least. Smoking a lil pot to relieve some stress doesn't make me less of a person, in fact, i'd rather smoke pot and be relieved, than make poor judgement because I am all stressed out.

So like I said, you dope yourself up just to escape what life throws at you.

Give it a rest already. I guess by your example, we should all stop using aspirin for headaches or undergoing anesthesia for surgery when we get hit by a bus, since "life threw it at us". :roll:

At least it's legal.

I don't think this is a discussion about legality, we all clearly know it's illegal. This is a question about morality. Laws are based on morality, not the other way around. Also, it was legal in the past... Your may believe in your point, you just aren't supporting it.

"So like I said, you dope yourself up just to escape what life throws at you."

You ever study psychology? Do you know how many different drugs, all legal, fight the stresses life throws at us? But I guess you know more than all those doctors and people with complicated titles... What is your qualification in this field again?

like my doctor said, the effects of and chances of getting stress related illnesses greatly outweighs the risks of smoking some pot. There are many other drugs out there that will help with stress, but the point I made to my doctor was that I didn't have health insurance. I said, I had access to Pot, it helped, am I evil? He says, not at all.

Would you complain to a hostage in Iraq if they somehow were able to smoke a joint to cope with the fact that someone was probably going to cut their head off? I was under a serious death threat from a COP that was a commended marksman, and eventually lost his badge because he had so many complaints from citizens of him abusing his priveledges and being downright pyscho. He scammed me of a lot of time and money (more than $35,000, i was only 22) and said if we tried to take him to justice he would kill us all.

My comments were directed at cheeseburger. My point simply is that currently there are legal drugs for stress, to counter his "dope yourself up just to escape what life throws at you" comment, and that he is not qualified to make such statements. I would rather rely on the many doctors and scientist with much more complicated titles then I could understand, than someone on the internet named cheeseburger. Now, maybe if he's qualified, that's another story. However we all know the chances of that...

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: farmercal
FFMCobalt you sound a little stessed. Go smoke a doobie, you'll feel more relaxed.

Nah, I don't think thats strong enough enough for him.. Perhaps a morphine drip would work :laugh:

 

[TechBoyJK]

it should be legalized and regulated. You should have to be 21 to buy it. You shoudl be punished if you get too high and drive.

Legalization would save taxpayers $ and lives. I think it was NYC's mayor Bloomberg that said if NYC wanted to save money they should stop putting the 50,000+ people a year in jail for minor pot offenses.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
And the last thing we need to do is legalize something else that negatively affects the body just because X and Y are already legal...

Why not? It makes perfect sense. If the cigarettes and alcohol are legal it utterly defies logic that marijuana is not legal. There are plenty of other things that negatively affect the body that are also legal why single out marijuana?

It's hypocritical to leave it as is. There are two options as I see it; make posession/use of alcohol and tobacco criminal, or legalize marijuana. The problems with criminalizing those two legal drugs are big. Nicotine (the addictive chemical in tobacco) is phenomenally addictive. In a technical sense, it's actually more addictive than even heroin, but the withdrawl symptoms are far less severe, making it easier to quit. If you suddenly make it illegal, you'll have millions of addicts looking for their fix, and it won't be a pretty sight. As probibition taught us, even without the extreme physical addiction of tobacco (although alcohol is physically addictive), people will do it anyway. Instead of taking legal action against the relatively few who 1) abuse it and 2) are a menace to others when abusing it, you're looking at jailing tens - hundreds of millions in the US alone.

 

[farmercal]

it should be legalized and regulated. You should have to be 21 to buy it. You shoudl be punished if you get too high and drive.

KYou are correct sir!

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
it should be legalized and regulated. You should have to be 21 to buy it. You shoudl be punished if you get too high and drive.

Legalization would save taxpayers $ and lives.

That brings up an interesting point, btw. What sort of detection methods are there for people who are driving under the influence of a drug such as marijuana?

 

[chasem]

I hate to show how much i know about pot, but you guys don't know just a whole lot. The whole 'good nug' vs. 'commercial nug' thing is irrelevant. Which makes the 'thc abosrbption' and 'in the 60s they didn't test chronic pot' invalid and not sound. You can make an extract of any bud and end up with about a 50% THC product. Guess what, When i smoke it, i only take one or two hits. I do not smoke a joints worth of THC.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: farmercal
FFMCobalt you sound a little stessed. Go smoke a doobie, you'll feel more relaxed.

Nah, I don't that thats strong enough enough for him.. Perhaps a morphine drip would work :laugh:

I can get that too. My neighbor sells crack, crank, weed, meth, morphine (sp?), vallum (sp?), and one other pill-type upper that I can't remember at the moment.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
it should be legalized and regulated. You should have to be 21 to buy it. You shoudl be punished if you get too high and drive.

Legalization would save taxpayers $ and lives.

That brings up an interesting point, btw. What sort of detection methods are there for people who are driving under the influence of a drug such as marijuana?

Urine or blood test.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally posted by: FFMCobalt

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: farmercal
FFMCobalt you sound a little stessed. Go smoke a doobie, you'll feel more relaxed.

Nah, I don't that thats strong enough enough for him.. Perhaps a morphine drip would work :laugh:

I can get that too. My neighbor sells crack, crank, weed, meth, morphine (sp?), vallum (sp?), and one other pill-type upper that I can't remember at the moment.

man, thats a totally different ball game. your neighbor should be locked up.

 

[farmercal]

That brings up an interesting point, btw. What sort of detection methods are there for people who are driving under the influence of a drug such as marijuana?
The police can arrest you for driving under the influence if you can't pass the sobriety test "period."