Do you / would you own a gun for protection?

[SilverThief]

I just bought a pre-ban Intratec Tec-9 (not the renamed DC-9), with 50 round clip and 30 round clip, just ordered the threaded barrel extension with vent shroud.


Havent had a firearm in a while and ended up buying this from a co-worker who is a gun collector/restorer. He had a Tec-22 which I took, but then traded for the 9mm......go all out!

 

[gopunk]

<< the criminal is more likely to shoot me if he saw me with a gun than if i dont have one.
when the criminal sees themselves as being in danger, the he would shoot first to protect himself. >>



which is why you don't show them your gun if you see that they have one. i'd get one, to protect myself against those who try to hang my dogs, or attack me with a knife.

 

[Mookow]

<< the criminal is more likely to shoot me if he saw me with a gun than if i dont have one.
when the criminal sees themselves as being in danger, the he would shoot first to protect himself. >>



I would love to see anyone do that after getting double tapped with a 45. If someone enters your house and has a weapon, shoot first, and make sure they are dead.

When I move to an apartment next school year, I'm either buying my own 45 (probably a glock, not sure if I want a glock 21 or a glock 30, but I like the feel of my uncle's glock), or borrowing my grandfathers 12 gauge. His 12 gauge is a Mossberg pump, 19" barrel, 6 shell magazine (muzzle is approx flush with the magazine tube).

 

[StageLeft]

<< I would love to see anyone do that after getting double tapped with a 45. >>

Too many Tom Clancy books for you. You really think the average gun owner can "double tap"? I sure don't. Try doing that to a moving target that is trying to shoot you while your body is overwhelmed by adrenaline. That takes a loooot of practice.

 

[BeauJangles]

I do

 

[ShotgunSteven]

<< the criminal is more likely to shoot me if he saw me with a gun than if i dont have one.
when the criminal sees themselves as being in danger, the he would shoot first to protect himself. >>



So you are left going after him with your bare hands when he decides to have his way with your wife and children. I am sure he will thank you for being such a courteous sheep.

 

[Mookow]

<< About 14 months away from getting one. When I turn 21 I plan on getting a Walther PPK. I need to spend some time this summer with my grandfather and practice with his Colt .45 revolver. I figure if I can get used to the recoil from that, the PPK will be a nice change.

ZV >>



How big of a guy are you, Zenmervolt? I've always like the recoil on a 45, but it is also the first handgun I ever fired, so its my standard, I guess. I really dont think a 9mm has much of a recoil at all.

 

[Russ]

<< the criminal is more likely to shoot me if he saw me with a gun than if i dont have one.
when the criminal sees themselves as being in danger, the he would shoot first to protect himself. >>



So true. Criminals are always far more skilled with a firearm then any law abiding gun owner could possibly be.

Russ, NCNE

 

[eakers]

i dont feel threatened enough to carry a gun.
and i dont care for them really, i think its a boy thing.

*kat. <-- thinks responsible gun use is okay.

 

[Mookow]

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<< I would love to see anyone do that after getting double tapped with a 45. >>

Too many Tom Clancy books for you. You really think the average gun owner can "double tap"? I sure don't. Try doing that to a moving target that is trying to shoot you while your body is overwhelmed by adrenaline. That takes a loooot of practice. >>



Sorry. I can accurately double tap with a 45. I've never done it to an intruder in my house, but I have shot at a moving paper target and I can put both rounds in 2 inches. Besides, if you shoot someone once with a 45, they will go down.

 

[Mookow]

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<< the criminal is more likely to shoot me if he saw me with a gun than if i dont have one.
when the criminal sees themselves as being in danger, the he would shoot first to protect himself. >>



So true. Criminals are always far more skilled with a firearm then any law abiding gun owner could possibly be.

Russ, NCNE >>



Ahh, from this and what I saw in another thread, I see Russ is in fine sarcastic mode tonight...

 

[StageLeft]

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<< I would love to see anyone do that after getting double tapped with a 45. >>

Too many Tom Clancy books for you. You really think the average gun owner can "double tap"? I sure don't. Try doing that to a moving target that is trying to shoot you while your body is overwhelmed by adrenaline. That takes a loooot of practice. >>



Sorry. I can accurately double tap with a 45. I've never done it to an intruder in my house, but I have shot at a moving paper target and I can put both rounds in 2 inches. Besides, if you shoot someone once with a 45, they will go down. >>

Well like I said there is a big difference between practice and doing it when you know your life is in danger and a person's head is far more eratic in movement than a piece of paper. I'm sure you've heard of people in gun fights having terrible aiming because of the stress of the situation. I don't pretend to be an expert but even if I was a top-notch shot if I'd never shot at a person before to defend my life I'd forget that double-tap stuff and go for the body.

 

[Russ]

<< Well like I said there is a big difference between practice and doing it when you know your life is in danger >>



This is why you practice until your weapon becomes an extension of yourself. Would you say the same thing about law enforcement personnel? The average cop fires his weapon about twice a year to qualify. The average gun enthusiast does that every week. I've been to the range with the local cops. I can outshoot 90% of them.



<< and a person's head is far more eratic in movement than a piece of paper. >>



And, if you're aiming for their head with your first two shots, you deserve whatever happens to you. You NEVER go for a head shot first.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Mookow]

<< Well like I said there is a big difference between practice and doing it when you know your life is in danger and a person's head is far more eratic in movement than a piece of paper. I'm sure you've heard of people in gun fights having terrible aiming because of the stress of the situation. I don't pretend to be an expert but even if I was a top-notch shot if I'd never shot at a person before to defend my life I'd forget that double-tap stuff and go for the body. >>



Double tap just means firing two rounds fast. Doesnt mean it is aimed at their head. BTW, if you are going to shoot someone, the way I was taught was you fire a double tap: one shot to the lower sternum, next one to the mid/upper sternum. Then you follow it with a shot to the head.

 

[StageLeft]

<< And, if you're aiming for their head with your first two shots, you deserve whatever happens to you. You NEVER got for a head shot first. >>

Unless you are a pimp-ass special forces hero!

I think you're right about cops. I was at a gun range a couple of years ago at some club and all of them were saying that cops suck at shooting because they do it so infrequently. The RCMP wanted to borrow the range for some shooting but only if no club members were present. One of the members claimed that the cop said they wanted to be alone so that nobody else would know how sorry they are.

<< Double tap just means firing two rounds fast. Doesnt mean it is aimed at their head. >>

I guess that's true. i forgot the "double tap to head" extension on the term.

 

[Imdmn04]

<< So you are left going after him with your bare hands when he decides to have his way with your wife and children. I am sure he will thank you for being such a courteous sheep. >>



Lets say you took a shot at the criminal and you missed, but u pissed him off so he grabs your children as hostage demanding you to drop the weapon, what would u do?

 

[Zenmervolt]

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<< About 14 months away from getting one. When I turn 21 I plan on getting a Walther PPK. I need to spend some time this summer with my grandfather and practice with his Colt .45 revolver. I figure if I can get used to the recoil from that, the PPK will be a nice change.

ZV >>



How big of a guy are you, Zenmervolt? I've always like the recoil on a 45, but it is also the first handgun I ever fired, so its my standard, I guess. I really dont think a 9mm has much of a recoil at all. >>

Not all that much heft. 6'-0" and 140 lbs but pretty damn wiry, I can pull more weight than most people expect. The recoil depends a lot on the type of ammo too, depending on what the .45 is loaded with it varies from not that bad to a pretty hefty kick, at least from my perspective. It's not something terrible, I didn't mean to imply that, just that going to a .38 PPK from a Colt .45 would reduce the recoil.

ZV

 

[Mookow]

<< Unless you are a pimp-ass special forces hero! >>



I remember in the aftermath of a shooting (I think it was a kid who went in to a prayer meeting and opened fire), they interviewed a SF guy, and he was envious of the kid's aim. Apparently, the kid had only fired one magazine before in his life, and that was to make sure he could operate the pistol. Anyway, the kid hit with all shots he made, many of them head shots. Not that I condone what the kid did, but, firing a pistol accurately isnt all that hard to do.

 

[lowtech1]

Crimes are gonna happen & people are going to get kill regardless if we have gun or not, but it is just easy to kill with a gun. Prior to the gun we have to kill someone while we see them eyes to eyes, but with a gun it is just too easy to get out of control and point at a target and shoot.

Hundred of years ago farmers have to live the animals in their field or have much more creative way to capture them (they often eat what they kill), but now we have teenagers uses beer can & gopher as target when they are drunk or bored. Some people go as far as using road sign & street lamp for target.

Personally I don?t think we need to own a gun for hunting, because there is no sport in that. What kind of defense does a herbivore have vs. an ?intelligent? human, or are we all are inbreed moron that can?t not fend for our self due to government intervene? And, the majority of the claiments that owning gun is for hunting is a load of crap, because most of them never seen a wild animal out side of the zoo.

I have heard many stupid arguments that gun don?t kill which I do agreed with, but we know that abuse will alway happen when it is in the wrong hand. And, every culture have a proverb that say courage is a stage of mind, therefor owning a gun is not going to extend your private part or elate yourself assurance.

Owning a gun is not going to make the world a safer place to live nor it is going to replace the groceries shops.

 

[Zenmervolt]

<<Lets say you took a shot at the criminal and you missed, but u pissed him off so he grabs your children as hostage demanding you to drop the weapon, what would u do?>>

You wonder how the hell the criminal got from your master bedroom through the house to your child(ren)'s bedroom(s) before you could get off a second shot.

ZV

 

[Mookow]

<< Not all that much heft. 6'-0" and 140 lbs but pretty damn wiry, I can pull more weight than most people expect. The recoil depends a lot on the type of ammo too, depending on what the .45 is loaded with it varies from not that bad to a pretty hefty kick, at least from my perspective. It's not something terrible, I didn't mean to imply that, just that going to a .38 PPK from a Colt .45 would reduce the recoil.

ZV >>



Just checking. Like I said, the first handgun that I fired was my uncle's 45, and I'm glad I started with that rather than a 9mm or a .32 ACP. It's also useful that while I'm just about your height (I havent measured recently, but I think I'm either 5'11" or 6'), I have about 80lbs on you. I'm not ALL muscle, but I can benchpress my weight, and all the guys in my family are pretty big in the chest, so...

 

[Imdmn04]

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You wonder how the hell the criminal got from your master bedroom through the house to your child(ren)'s bedroom(s) before you could get off a second shot.
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um maybe because they woke up hearing noises and people yelling and wanted to check out whats going on. There could be many possibilities. but thats not the point, that was just a theoretical question. i was just wondering if he was put into that situation, what would he do?

 

[Zenmervolt]

<<um maybe because they woke up hearing noises and people yelling and wanted to check out whats going on. There could be many possibilities. but thats not the point, that was just a theoretical question. i was just wondering if he was put into that situation, what would he do?>>

Well, first of all, a responsible gun owner would make sure that his children knew to stay in their rooms if they heard gunshots. However if the situation you describe does arise (I think it extremely unlikely) you remove the clip and throw the gun down. No sense giving the invader the opportunity to use your own weapon against you.

ZV

 

[Russ]

<< Lets say you took a shot at the criminal and you missed >>



Well, since my home defense weapon is a Mossberg nine shot loaded with #4, the odds of me missing are about equal to Teddy Kennedy staying sober for more then a week.

Russ, NCNE

 

[Mookow]

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<< Lets say you took a shot at the criminal and you missed >>



Well, since my home defense weapon is a Mossberg nine shot loaded with #4, the odds of me missing are about equal to Teddy Kennedy staying sober for more then a week.

Russ, NCNE >>



what model is that? whats the barrel length on it?