Vic
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There will be a vaccine someday I believe.
Cure, never. No virus infection is curable.
Effective treatment with a permanent remission of symptoms and more-or-less full life expectancy seems very likely.
I think it's gonna end up kind of like diabetes.
Cure, never. No virus infection is curable.
Effective treatment with a permanent remission of symptoms and more-or-less full life expectancy seems very likely.
I think it's gonna end up kind of like diabetes.
A virus that kills its host loses its ability to replicate. Killer viruses are really a kind of genetic mistake, and nature's balance is always to try and make it more benign and the host more immune, so as to allow a better symbiotic relationship.
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Aids isn't killing millions in developed countries for a reason. We don't run around raping 10 virgins in this country to try and "purge" the sickness from ourselves like some tribes in Africa do. It's not an issue of promiscuity, it's a complete absence of basic scientific comprehension.
Call me a callous ass, but I fail to see a point in wasting efforts to find a vaccine for this current epidemic when they are going to be in the same exact boat when Aids 2.0 starts sweeping their nations.
Even if we did find a cure for Aids.... its going to be a pretty penny. Teh druggie companies are also a corporation ya kno.
irishScott
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Ummm... there's a vaccine for certain strains of flu, polio, mumps, Hepatitis, and a hell of a lot more.
TehMac
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I had this huge disease scare when I was a freshman, and I looked up diseases like Ebola and that sort of thing: viruses tend to break out among younger people, stressed people, and elderly people.
Ok, so here's the thing: at best, epidemics can be prevented by using vaccines. Vaccines have limited effectiveness, because billions and trillions of viruses can break out-- all of the same kind. It's highly unlikely, because the viruses have to mutate--however the common cold is the best example. Another thing is this: People are different, so for example, that Chicken crap going on in China, (I don't know how much it was abated) there were 10 people who died and I mean 10 people out of...how many people in China? A lot.
SO, from what I gathered, you could survive for example Ebola, but you'd need to be incredibly strong--so in that sense, your immune system would have to be very top notch. You'd also of course need to have intensive care. And who knows? Maybe people are better off dying from thing such as Ebola. I believe no one has yet survived Ebola, and its a frickin horrifying, and terrible disease.
During the first outbreak of the Black Death in the 6th century, most people died, but the Emperor Justinian for example didn't...and this is interesting to note, because he was living in standards obviously much higher up than even the highest kings in western Europe. His mind was scarred permanently, but I mean hell, he survived, which is definitely interesting to note--He must have had an incredible immune system.
Cliffs: Immune system is what keeps people alive. Viruses can be fought off with anti biotics, but can go dormant, which means they basically hide themselves in your body, and only until the body is stressed, like sun burned, physical, mental stress, the thing breaks out. Like warts. Its possible the body fights it off, or it goes dormant.
Now, I don't know how updated this information is, this is info from 2 years ago.
Ok, so here's the thing: at best, epidemics can be prevented by using vaccines. Vaccines have limited effectiveness, because billions and trillions of viruses can break out-- all of the same kind. It's highly unlikely, because the viruses have to mutate--however the common cold is the best example. Another thing is this: People are different, so for example, that Chicken crap going on in China, (I don't know how much it was abated) there were 10 people who died and I mean 10 people out of...how many people in China? A lot.
SO, from what I gathered, you could survive for example Ebola, but you'd need to be incredibly strong--so in that sense, your immune system would have to be very top notch. You'd also of course need to have intensive care. And who knows? Maybe people are better off dying from thing such as Ebola. I believe no one has yet survived Ebola, and its a frickin horrifying, and terrible disease.
During the first outbreak of the Black Death in the 6th century, most people died, but the Emperor Justinian for example didn't...and this is interesting to note, because he was living in standards obviously much higher up than even the highest kings in western Europe. His mind was scarred permanently, but I mean hell, he survived, which is definitely interesting to note--He must have had an incredible immune system.
Cliffs: Immune system is what keeps people alive. Viruses can be fought off with anti biotics, but can go dormant, which means they basically hide themselves in your body, and only until the body is stressed, like sun burned, physical, mental stress, the thing breaks out. Like warts. Its possible the body fights it off, or it goes dormant.
Now, I don't know how updated this information is, this is info from 2 years ago.
Whatever happened to compassion? All people make mistakes, including yourself. Most cases of cancer, heart disease and diabetes are a result of lifestyle choices. I guarantee you will suffer from at least one of these in your life time unless you die young of an accident.
Almost all of us make some sort of poor life style choices we will suffer from later in life. If we all took your attitude then we would just say tough to all those people and just let them suffer and die. So when you come to us and say you have one of these ailments, tough. You did it to yourself and why should we care.
Thank God most people have compassion.
Wrong!
We will cure AIDS when close minded, judgmental people quit trying to make life difficult for people who had no choice in the first place on their sexuality. By driving gays and lesbians into a closet of shame we create the climate that leads to the spread of AIDS. If gays and lesbians were accepted in society, they would not have to resort to secretive practices that leads to the spread of AIDS.
Also the false belief that AIDS is a gay disease is also a factor. HIV infections of heterosexual people are rising fast because they believe that they are safe from getting the disease. heterosexual infection rates are rising faster than any group because of this ignorance.
Where's smallpox 2.0? Polio 2.0? Rampant, seemingly incurable, annihilating diseases aren't born every day.
You do realize that AIDS research has also helped advance cancer research? Both diseases are linked and an advancement in one is an advancement in another. AIDS does not kill it's victims. It is an opportunistic infection like cancer that does. Yes, cancer is immune system related and there is some evidence many cancers may be viral related.
AIDS is no longer a death sentence. With modern treatments and medication people with HIV can live a full, healthy life. Cancer and AIDS are connected and research in one helps research in the other.
Don't assume you don't know any one with HIV. They probably have not told you because they perceive you as judgmental.
There have been huge advancements in the treatment of HIV/AIDS. The medications available today have effectively turned AIDS from a death sentence to a disease that is managed like diabetes. It is true there are some with a resistant strain, but new drugs are being introduced that are proving effective with these strains.
The vaccine that failed was one of many vaccines being developed and tested. There are always many drugs and treatments that fail before they find one that works. This is true of all diseases they are creating drugs and treatments for.
It's funny how many computer savvy people are here and realize that there will never be "cures" to computer viruses, but somehow think that man is more powerful than nature and will find a cure to biological viruses that work on basically the same principle. (that one called evolution, you know, the one many hick states are shunning)
While it must be neat to be so naive (and there were actually very few people in this category) it simply will not happen.
While it must be neat to be so naive (and there were actually very few people in this category) it simply will not happen.
Originally posted by: NanoStuff
You seem to manage just fine, so I suppose neat is right
umm, no. I don't have AIDS because of the decisions I have made, with a little help living in one of the cleaner countries as far as diseases are concerned.
Nice jab I guess, but I find it hard to get up in arms about a virus that we literally have no control over...
That may be so, but you're naive as you so define it. I suppose you having AIDS would have made it that much more amusing.
I hope you're very young. Such an ignorance level is inexcusable for an adult.
Please explain how me having AIDS or not would have made my (personal opinion) of the disease more relevant, or much less amusing. At least considering there have been many close to it stating they would not wish it on their worst enemy, etc.
I guess I am still pretty young at 24, and do not argue for a second that I am quite cynical. That being said, I refuse to believe that cynicism and ignorance are synonymous, and defend my opinion even if it is not the most favorable. One of the great things in living in a free nation, even if the internet dilutes it's validity to zero.
Either way, I respect everyone's opinion, and it is comical to know that our opinions mean jack shit when compared to the most profitable way to deal with aids.
Not our opinions, only uninformed opinions. Your opinion for example. To suggest that the disease cannot be 'cured', ever, is simply nearsighted and foolish.
SViper
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Vaccines aren't a cure for viruses. Vaccines only train your immune system on how to fight a virus. Vaccines usually contain a weaker strain of a virus so the immune system knows how to fight the virus.
A virus "writes" itself into your DNA. Once a host is infected, the host's body has to keep the virus in check for as long as the host lives. Unless we invent a way to re-write people's DNA, there won't be any cure to any virus. I personally don't see that happening anytime soon.
Yes, you're right. We are not curing the real problem.
So what? It's all we got hope for. I understand what you are saying in terms of how we should try to attack the problem at the core if we really ever want to solve this issue fully, but you need to understand that the core problem here will never be solved. Tons of people are having unprotected sex and they will continue to do so long after you and I are gone if not forever no matter how well educated or culturally enhanced they become.
The best thing we can do in the mean time is provide as many preventative measures (band aid solutions) as possible. The best band aids are vaccines.
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