you are right m8......I just dont have the money to buy them..I would otherwise..the ones that are good!
example....Creed,FooFighters,,,Britney
)etc
you are right m8......I just dont have the money to buy them..I would otherwise..the ones that are good!
example....Creed,FooFighters,,,Britney
)etcOriginally posted by: Nefrodite
doesn't even support his favorite artists.... now that is truely scummy
a query,,are you a woman?I like you anyway even though you dont like my opinion on this one...hehe
Originally posted by: pallander
Originally posted by: Nefrodite
doesn't even support his favorite artists.... now that is truely scummy
a query,,are you a woman?
No, he's just confused.
He said that musicians and artists bathe in champagne! That's a hoot! Well, you have some twisted morals, but morals vary from person to person, so it's really impossible to say flat-out it's morally right or wrong.
It's wrong for me b/c
1)As others said "I wouldn't have bought it anyway" doesn't then entitle you to take something for free.
2)99% of musicians are NOT bathing in champagne, nor are they even bathing in Franzia wine out of the cardboard box.
3)The artists are poor and they do get hurt.
4)Giving the world good music is good. If you would like to write and record songs and distribute them freely, that is your choice and many artists do so.
Some don't, and that is also their choice.
It's wrong for me b/c
1)As others said "I wouldn't have bought it anyway" doesn't then entitle you to take something for free.
2)99% of musicians are NOT bathing in champagne, nor are they even bathing in Franzia wine out of the cardboard box.
3)The artists are poor and they do get hurt.
4)Giving the world good music is good. If you would like to write and record songs and distribute them freely, that is your choice and many artists do so.
Some don't, and that is also their choice.
i think his reasoning is that most people aren't as unethical as him, so he can continue to be a leech. since most people don't steal, society isn't going to crumble, therefore i can justify my theft
since most people don't steal, society isn't going to crumble, therefore i can justify my theftOriginally posted by: Nefrodite
i think his reasoning is that most people aren't as unethical as him, so he can continue to be a leech.
you made a whole lot of thinking,thanks
I download mp3 with a smile on my lips,because as I said,they bath in champaine anyway..that is the truth.If I had the money I would support them though..perhaps..or better the red cross.That is my point....Dont tell me I am the only one cheating....
Originally posted by: pallander
Originally posted by: Nefrodite
i think his reasoning is that most people aren't as unethical as him, so he can continue to be a leech.
you made a whole lot of thinking,thanks
Dont tell me I am the only one cheating....
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Through that in with "All your bases.." I would rather download music of my favorite artist for free, then send him directly $10.
First, the argument that "I wouldn't buy it anyway" is perfectly valid for digital media. LOGICALLY, no one is hurt by another replication of digital content, provided that the artist wouldn't get money for it anyway. If I created a song and a stranger e-mailed me, "I would like to get your blessing to download your song for free. Either way, I have reasons to never buy your CD.", I would have no problem saying that he can download it -- this turns a lose-lose situation into a lose-win one. There is no reason why I should deny him my song when I would not get any money from him either way.
I would like to point you to an article I found just yesterday: major labels: the problem with music. Hopefully after readng it you will see why it's so much better to attend a tour performance or buy a promotional item from the artist for $10 than to buy his CDs for $20 apiece -- the artist only gets about 25 cents of that!!!
I see nothing wrong with duplicating media either to turn a lose-lose situation into a lose-win one (but not if there's a chance that you'd buy a CD if you couldn't download the music!), or when you support the artist some other way.
Feel free to constructively argue your point.... I will listen.
First, the argument that "I wouldn't buy it anyway" is perfectly valid for digital media. LOGICALLY, no one is hurt by another replication of digital content, provided that the artist wouldn't get money for it anyway. If I created a song and a stranger e-mailed me, "I would like to get your blessing to download your song for free. Either way, I have reasons to never buy your CD.", I would have no problem saying that he can download it -- this turns a lose-lose situation into a lose-win one. There is no reason why I should deny him my song when I would not get any money from him either way.
I would like to point you to an article I found just yesterday: major labels: the problem with music. Hopefully after readng it you will see why it's so much better to attend a tour performance or buy a promotional item from the artist for $10 than to buy his CDs for $20 apiece -- the artist only gets about 25 cents of that!!!
I see nothing wrong with duplicating media either to turn a lose-lose situation into a lose-win one (but not if there's a chance that you'd buy a CD if you couldn't download the music!), or when you support the artist some other way.
Feel free to constructively argue your point.... I will listen.
It has already been pointed out twice that most musicians do NOT have much money at all.
As for Gigacluster, I agree that if the ARTIST GIVES YOU PERMISSION, then this is fine.
Just stealing it and using the excuse "well I wouldn't have bought it anyway" does not work.
It's also compounded by the fact if I was a musician selling songs for a living and you came to me and said "I can't afford your CD" or "I only like the one song" and asked me to give you an MP3, and I did, that's one thing, but many people are then turning around and feeding my song to other leeches.
I did something nice for one person and they turn around and stab me in the back with it.
As for buying merchandise instead of CDs, I guess I don't listen to enough "mainstream" music....most of the bands I listen to are on indie labels or produce their albums themselves and thus reap most of the benefits of CD purchases.
1. If you wouldnt buy them, then you obviously don't need to listen to them.
2. Regardless of how much money someone makes, it is still wrong. Artists dont bathe in champange(learn to spell) either....theyre all not oober rich
3. If you mean physically, youre right. But financially, they do get hurt.
4. What are you talking about?
Anyway, this has been discussed too many times.....
btw, how old are you?
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: werk
Do we really need another thread on this?
No we don't.
then you tell me how the heck I can know there had beeen a similar thread before since you are fast point it out!;-)
Originally posted by: pallander
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: werk
Do we really need another thread on this?
No we don't.
then you tell me how the heck I can know there had beeen a similar thread before since you are fast point it out!;-)
Search. It's this little link up in the top right of your screen. Turns gray when you mouse hovers over it.
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Originally posted by: Beau6183
Originally posted by: pallander
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Originally posted by: werk
Do we really need another thread on this?
No we don't.
then you tell me how the heck I can know there had beeen a similar thread before since you are fast point it out!;-)
Search. It's this little link up in the top right of your screen. Turns gray when you mouse hovers over it.
hahahahahaha
Duh, pallander, life is much more complicated than it seems I guess. And it doesn't matter whether it's morally right or not. It's the question of legitimacy. In the USA, Europe and other civilized countries illegal software and mp3 copying is highly prohibitied. Plus, people can actually afford to buy legit. But in some other parts of the world you will go to jail for stealing a car, material property, yet they sell that unlegit stuff in the streets. Of course, it sucks. I presume many people would like to get all that legit in other third world countries, but Microsoft and other companies seem to ignore the fact that they can't sell their software there at the same price as in the USA, b/c people don't have that much money and the law isn't all that strong there. They will either have to sell it at reasonable price or do what they do - nothing.
To sum it up, it's not morally right. It's right to buy things and not to steal them, be it material property or intellectual.
To sum it up, it's not morally right. It's right to buy things and not to steal them, be it material property or intellectual.
well,I think you missed one major thing.It is expensive and I cant afford it!I live in Europe,sweden,and cant afford it .I work too
one cd costs 15 dollars...:-////for one or two good tunes!I cant afford it..I bought Metallica on DVD though as a christmas present..
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