Do you think they'll take it back?

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: ric1287

explain what B&N loses and how this is any different than if he returned the exact same one he bought (but didn't open)

because you are assuming their inventory is free to 'lease'.

Also like I mentioned many try this / have tried it and get slightly different packaging and then have to screw another vendor.

So if he didn't open it, bought one off amazon, then returned the exact one to B&N is it still the worst infraction of ethics you can possibly make?

Its 100% exactly the same as returning a gift you got unopened. If the store is afraid of this massive conspiracy, then don't accept returns on anything.

It's not 100% exactly the same. Returning gifts is morally/ethically different than what OP is trying to do.

Yes the idea/end goal of "getting your money" back is the same, but the motive for doing it is entirely different.

I'll admit that I have done what the OP is thinking of a few times in my life time. I don't like knowing I paid a higher price, but I do admit that it is definitely wrong ethically.

 

[Schfifty Five]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: dabuddha
If it's the same packaging, just purchase it at amazon.com and return it to B&N. They get their stuff back and can resell it and you get your money back.

Even though it's been asked, why the hell would you buy anything from a B&M nowadays when 99% of the time, you can get it cheaper online?

and if the packing is different should he screw amazon with a return or eat the second one?

How does Amazon get screwed if the OP returns the item he bought from Amazon back to Amazon?

 

[BrokenVisage]

I can't believe this, people being too liberal even for my taste. Consumer ethics is a thing of the past people, get over it. Some of you may still subscribe to the honest way of shopping, and for the most part so do I, but I'll be the first to admit I would cut corners or at least look into ways to get a better deal or recoup money for a product I don't want anymore. I know we have a Hot Deal forum here, but take a look through some of the popular SD and FW threads to see just how dishonest and conniving people can be to save a buck. In my opinion the OP isn't trying to screw anyone so do what you can to get your money back I say.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: dabuddha
Exactly. What alky fails to realize (either by ignorance or on purpose) is that only way anyone is condoning purchasing from Amazon and returning to B&N is if the packaging is the exact same.

no, what you and the others are missing is no one has stated what they would do should the packaging be different.

This is why you probably went without hot water for so long.

nope. If you read my post and his, if the products are 100% identical, there is shit B&N can do. If you don't want to risk that, then cancel your return policy.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: ric1287

explain what B&N loses and how this is any different than if he returned the exact same one he bought (but didn't open)

because you are assuming their inventory is free to 'lease'.

Also like I mentioned many try this / have tried it and get slightly different packaging and then have to screw another vendor.

So if he didn't open it, bought one off amazon, then returned the exact one to B&N is it still the worst infraction of ethics you can possibly make?

Its 100% exactly the same as returning a gift you got unopened. If the store is afraid of this massive conspiracy, then don't accept returns on anything.

It's not 100% exactly the same. Returning gifts is morally/ethically different than what OP is trying to do.

Yes the idea/end goal of "getting your money" back is the same, but the motive for doing it is entirely different.

I'll admit that I have done what the OP is thinking of a few times in my life time. I don't like knowing I paid a higher price, but I do admit that it is definitely wrong ethically.

But its not wrong ethically. Abusing Costco's policy by returning opened, old merchandise for new shit is unethical. Returning an identical, unopened, perfect condition product within 30 days is completely fine. And again, if B&N or any store feels this is an outrageous conspiracy, cancel your return policy or create individual store sku's.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: dabuddha
If it's the same packaging, just purchase it at amazon.com and return it to B&N. They get their stuff back and can resell it and you get your money back.

Even though it's been asked, why the hell would you buy anything from a B&M nowadays when 99% of the time, you can get it cheaper online?

and if the packing is different should he screw amazon with a return or eat the second one?

How does Amazon get screwed if the OP returns the item he bought from Amazon back to Amazon?

Again...if one can assume inventory is free to lease, as well as restocking an item is as simple as just throwing it back on the shelf then believe what you will.

While the items could be identical you are now sticking a store for an item they didn't have in stock, an item they now have to restock/inspect, etc.

Again legal, yes...ethical, no.

also many that do this will then also insist more than likely BECAUSE they packaging was different Amazon should eat the cost of the return.

What I think is funny those claiming to choose the lowroad up front are also claiming they'd take the high road if the packaging was different. I highly doubt that.

Remember kiddies, shop first then buy...don't buy then shop.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: ric1287

But its not wrong ethically. Abusing Costco's policy by returning opened, old merchandise for new shit is unethical. Returning an identical, unopened, perfect condition product within 30 days is completely fine. And again, if B&N or any store feels this is an outrageous conspiracy, cancel your return policy or create individual store sku's.

I don't think you were familiar with Costco original policy. It was lifetime if at any point you were ever unsatisfied.

Some called it the free laptop for life program.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: dabuddha
If it's the same packaging, just purchase it at amazon.com and return it to B&N. They get their stuff back and can resell it and you get your money back.

Even though it's been asked, why the hell would you buy anything from a B&M nowadays when 99% of the time, you can get it cheaper online?

and if the packing is different should he screw amazon with a return or eat the second one?

How does Amazon get screwed if the OP returns the item he bought from Amazon back to Amazon?

Again...if one can assume inventory is free to lease, as well as restocking an item is as simple as just throwing it back on the shelf then believe what you will.

While the items could be identical you are now sticking a store for an item they didn't have in stock, an item they now have to restock/inspect, etc.

Again legal, yes...ethical, no.

also many that do this will then also insist more than likely BECAUSE they packaging was different Amazon should eat the cost of the return.

What I think is funny those claiming to choose the lowroad up front are also claiming they'd take the high road if the packaging was different. I highly doubt that.

Remember kiddies, shop first then buy...don't buy then shop.

We'll you've been proven wrong repeatedly Again, as it was stated so many times previously that you'd have to intentionally be stupid to not get it, if the item packaging is different, then you keep the item or give it as a gift. I even high lighted it for you since you seemed to dumb to see it. Perhaps you should scroll up and read it again

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: ric1287

But its not wrong ethically. Abusing Costco's policy by returning opened, old merchandise for new shit is unethical. Returning an identical, unopened, perfect condition product within 30 days is completely fine. And again, if B&N or any store feels this is an outrageous conspiracy, cancel your return policy or create individual store sku's.

I don't think you were familiar with Costco original policy. It was lifetime if at any point you were ever unsatisfied.

Some called it the free laptop for life program.

Uhhh, thats exactly what I just wrote? Person buys electronic, new electronic comes out months later, person returns old ass electronic. Buying something, breaking it, then doing the old swaparoo is wrong.

But

Returning a product, unopened, in perfect condition, and within the return window is 100% perfectly fine. There's no argument.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: dabuddha
We'll you've been proven wrong repeatedly Again, as it was stated so many times previously that you'd have to intentionally be stupid to not get it, if the item packaging is different, then you keep the item or give it as a gift. I even high lighted it for you since you seemed to dumb to see it. Perhaps you should scroll up and read it again

dude it's obsofuckinglutely pointless to debate this with you...you are obviously upset due to your showerhead thread and are simply trying to attack me. giggity giggity giggity, right?

Anyway...why would someone that has no concern about trying to return a package by lying to the merchant then decide to just keep the new one should something be 'different' with it?

If the guy is worried about a $20 difference in price do you really think he is going to just use this as a gift? Also you are assuming he'd have the right person to give it too.

Face it, you are just grasping at straws trying to throw shit like a monkey would.

FACT: Buying another vendor's item for the sole intent of returning it to another is unethical and pushes the costs of temporary loss of inventory, logistics of restocking, etc onto the merchant as if those were 'free'.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: dabuddha
We'll you've been proven wrong repeatedly Again, as it was stated so many times previously that you'd have to intentionally be stupid to not get it, if the item packaging is different, then you keep the item or give it as a gift. I even high lighted it for you since you seemed to dumb to see it. Perhaps you should scroll up and read it again

dude it's obsofuckinglutely pointless to debate this with you...you are obviously upset due to your showerhead thread and are simply trying to attack me. giggity giggity giggity, right?

Anyway...why would someone that has no concern about trying to return a package by lying to the merchant then decide to just keep the new one should something be 'different' with it?

If the guy is worried about a $20 difference in price do you really think he is going to just use this as a gift? Also you are assuming he'd have the right person to give it too.

Face it, you are just grasping at straws trying to throw shit like a monkey would.

FACT: Buying another vendor's item for the sole intent of returning it to another is unethical and pushes the costs of temporary loss of inventory, logistics of restocking, etc onto the merchant as if those were 'free'.

FACT: if returning items did such drastic damage to a company, there wouldn't be any.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: dabuddha
We'll you've been proven wrong repeatedly Again, as it was stated so many times previously that you'd have to intentionally be stupid to not get it, if the item packaging is different, then you keep the item or give it as a gift. I even high lighted it for you since you seemed to dumb to see it. Perhaps you should scroll up and read it again

dude it's obsofuckinglutely pointless to debate this with you...you are obviously upset due to your showerhead thread and are simply trying to attack me. giggity giggity giggity, right?

Anyway...why would someone that has no concern about trying to return a package by lying to the merchant then decide to just keep the new one should something be 'different' with it?

If the guy is worried about a $20 difference in price do you really think he is going to just use this as a gift? Also you are assuming he'd have the right person to give it too.

Face it, you are just grasping at straws trying to throw shit like a monkey would.

FACT: Buying another vendor's item for the sole intent of returning it to another is unethical and pushes the costs of temporary loss of inventory, logistics of restocking, etc onto the merchant as if those were 'free'.

You're right since I use logic and you don't even seem to know what the word means.

Regardless, you asked the questions repeatedly about what he should do if the packaging isn't the same and it was answered multiple times by various people. And I do believe you started the personal attacks in this thread But again, you don't seem to have a clue about how to read.

Originally posted by: alkemyst

FACT: Buying another vendor's item for the sole intent of returning it to another is unethical and pushes the costs of temporary loss of inventory, logistics of restocking, etc onto the merchant as if those were 'free'.

If the item is brand new and still in the box, how is it unethical? Does the business lose money? Yes! About 1 penny for the cost of the receipt. In fact, the customer freed up some shelf space for the business so they could put other items for sale that ended up selling. (See what I did there?) You think it costs a business tons of money to get their pimply 17 year old cashier who is standing at the register texting on their cell phone because there are no customers to scan an item into the computer and then place it back on the shelf?

Here, I'm going to do something to help you out alky. link

BTW I still love how you won't address the previous post where you stated "no, what you and the others are missing is no one has stated what they would do should the packaging be different." and then had multiple posts pasted and highlighted for you

Bottom line to the OP: You can return the cd set if you can get the exact same item in the exact same packaging. If it ends up being different packaging, then you either have an extra copy or a gift to give to someone (Assuming that it'll probably be too expensive to ship back to be worth while).

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: dabuddha
We'll you've been proven wrong repeatedly Again, as it was stated so many times previously that you'd have to intentionally be stupid to not get it, if the item packaging is different, then you keep the item or give it as a gift. I even high lighted it for you since you seemed to dumb to see it. Perhaps you should scroll up and read it again

dude it's obsofuckinglutely pointless to debate this with you...you are obviously upset due to your showerhead thread and are simply trying to attack me. giggity giggity giggity, right?

Anyway...why would someone that has no concern about trying to return a package by lying to the merchant then decide to just keep the new one should something be 'different' with it?

If the guy is worried about a $20 difference in price do you really think he is going to just use this as a gift? Also you are assuming he'd have the right person to give it too.

Face it, you are just grasping at straws trying to throw shit like a monkey would.

FACT: Buying another vendor's item for the sole intent of returning it to another is unethical and pushes the costs of temporary loss of inventory, logistics of restocking, etc onto the merchant as if those were 'free'.

FACT: if returning items did such drastic damage to a company, there wouldn't be any.

It's obvious that he's never run a business of his own.

 

[crystal]

OP is using B&M store as his personal loaner but never pay his due. Here is a CD, but what happen it his video card/hdd/ram/psu craps out and he needs his computer working right now?
B&M storess usually have a higher price because they have to keep a certain amount of stocks on hand and those take up shelf space. You pay more for that convenient. When you play the system by buying another copy online and return it, it causes the store to overstock. That causes B&M store problems, and problems cost money.

 

[crystal]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: dabuddha
We'll you've been proven wrong repeatedly Again, as it was stated so many times previously that you'd have to intentionally be stupid to not get it, if the item packaging is different, then you keep the item or give it as a gift. I even high lighted it for you since you seemed to dumb to see it. Perhaps you should scroll up and read it again

dude it's obsofuckinglutely pointless to debate this with you...you are obviously upset due to your showerhead thread and are simply trying to attack me. giggity giggity giggity, right?

Anyway...why would someone that has no concern about trying to return a package by lying to the merchant then decide to just keep the new one should something be 'different' with it?

If the guy is worried about a $20 difference in price do you really think he is going to just use this as a gift? Also you are assuming he'd have the right person to give it too.

Face it, you are just grasping at straws trying to throw shit like a monkey would.

FACT: Buying another vendor's item for the sole intent of returning it to another is unethical and pushes the costs of temporary loss of inventory, logistics of restocking, etc onto the merchant as if those were 'free'.

FACT: if returning items did such drastic damage to a company, there wouldn't be any.

FACT: majority people know what's morally right and wrong. They don't goes about screwing people because they know deep down, if they run a business they don't want some dip shits do this to them.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: crystal

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: dabuddha
We'll you've been proven wrong repeatedly Again, as it was stated so many times previously that you'd have to intentionally be stupid to not get it, if the item packaging is different, then you keep the item or give it as a gift. I even high lighted it for you since you seemed to dumb to see it. Perhaps you should scroll up and read it again

dude it's obsofuckinglutely pointless to debate this with you...you are obviously upset due to your showerhead thread and are simply trying to attack me. giggity giggity giggity, right?

Anyway...why would someone that has no concern about trying to return a package by lying to the merchant then decide to just keep the new one should something be 'different' with it?

If the guy is worried about a $20 difference in price do you really think he is going to just use this as a gift? Also you are assuming he'd have the right person to give it too.

Face it, you are just grasping at straws trying to throw shit like a monkey would.

FACT: Buying another vendor's item for the sole intent of returning it to another is unethical and pushes the costs of temporary loss of inventory, logistics of restocking, etc onto the merchant as if those were 'free'.

FACT: if returning items did such drastic damage to a company, there wouldn't be any.

FACT: majority people know what's morally right and wrong. They don't goes about screwing people because they know deep down, if they run a business they don't want some dip shits do this to them.

nope, wrong again. Morally wrong would be returning anything other than the identical product. If you buy product X, and return product X in identical condition, within the policy, there is nothing wrong. I'll state it again, if a company is bleeding money from some returns, then cancel the policy.

 

[crystal]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: crystal

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: dabuddha
We'll you've been proven wrong repeatedly Again, as it was stated so many times previously that you'd have to intentionally be stupid to not get it, if the item packaging is different, then you keep the item or give it as a gift. I even high lighted it for you since you seemed to dumb to see it. Perhaps you should scroll up and read it again

dude it's obsofuckinglutely pointless to debate this with you...you are obviously upset due to your showerhead thread and are simply trying to attack me. giggity giggity giggity, right?

Anyway...why would someone that has no concern about trying to return a package by lying to the merchant then decide to just keep the new one should something be 'different' with it?

If the guy is worried about a $20 difference in price do you really think he is going to just use this as a gift? Also you are assuming he'd have the right person to give it too.

Face it, you are just grasping at straws trying to throw shit like a monkey would.

FACT: Buying another vendor's item for the sole intent of returning it to another is unethical and pushes the costs of temporary loss of inventory, logistics of restocking, etc onto the merchant as if those were 'free'.

FACT: if returning items did such drastic damage to a company, there wouldn't be any.

FACT: majority people know what's morally right and wrong. They don't goes about screwing people because they know deep down, if they run a business they don't want some dip shits do this to them.

nope, wrong again. Morally wrong would be returning anything other than the identical product. If you buy product X, and return product X in identical condition, within the policy, there is nothing wrong. I'll state it again, if a company is bleeding money from some returns, then cancel the policy.

Policy is created to help customers with legit problems. Not for some A*hold who uses a loophole to abuse the hell out of it. Somebody mentions Costco, see what a few ruin a good thing for everyone.

 

[hiromizu]

Only if it ain't black.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: crystal

Policy is created to help customers with legit problems. Not for some A*hold who uses a loophole to abuse the hell out of it. Somebody mentions Costco, see what a few ruin a good thing for everyone.

What is a legit problem? You bought the wrong one? Found it at a different store?

This is 100% different than costco, not even the same ballpark.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: ric1287

nope, wrong again. Morally wrong would be returning anything other than the identical product. If you buy product X, and return product X in identical condition, within the policy, there is nothing wrong. I'll state it again, if a company is bleeding money from some returns, then cancel the policy.

damn you are clueless. You can steal $100 a day from most companies too and they'd not really 'feel' it.

When everyone starts doing it (a la Costco) then it becomes a severe problem.

However; whether or not it's a 'problem' for the company doesn't make it anymore ethical.

That's the point.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

It's obvious that he's never run a business of his own.

Me, I have run my own business. Actually two.

It's customers that shop after the sale that make it hard for me.

I showed up sold them a product, installed it for them. Next thing I know is they went out and bought another cheaper and want to return mine.

They paid for the value added of having it handed to them that day, brought to them directly and installed.

I am sure Ric1287 is probably 21 years old and living at home though, if you want to align yourself with him that is probably right up your alley.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: ric1287

nope, wrong again. Morally wrong would be returning anything other than the identical product. If you buy product X, and return product X in identical condition, within the policy, there is nothing wrong. I'll state it again, if a company is bleeding money from some returns, then cancel the policy.

damn you are clueless. You can steal $100 a day from most companies too and they'd not really 'feel' it.

When everyone starts doing it (a la Costco) then it becomes a severe problem.

However; whether or not it's a 'problem' for the company doesn't make it anymore ethical.

That's the point.

god dammit, can you not read or just not comprehend anything other than your own stupid views? This is in no way, 0%, nothing like costo's abuse problem. How the fuck do you not see that?

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: ric1287

nope, wrong again. Morally wrong would be returning anything other than the identical product. If you buy product X, and return product X in identical condition, within the policy, there is nothing wrong. I'll state it again, if a company is bleeding money from some returns, then cancel the policy.

damn you are clueless. You can steal $100 a day from most companies too and they'd not really 'feel' it.

When everyone starts doing it (a la Costco) then it becomes a severe problem.

However; whether or not it's a 'problem' for the company doesn't make it anymore ethical.

That's the point.

god dammit, can you not read or just not comprehend anything other than your own stupid views? This is in no way, 0%, nothing like costo's abuse problem. How the fuck do you not see that?

He can't see it cause his head is somewhere else lol

 

[paulxcook]

Originally posted by: Insomniator

Originally posted by: paulxcook
Being a former B&N employee, no. And you only have yourself to blame, never buy anything from that store. It's ALWAYS cheaper somewhere else.

fixed


The sugar cookies in the cafe are dynamite though, have never seen them in standalone starbucks.

Sometimes they put surplus hardback books on super sale and you can get one for $5. Other than that, no, no real reason to buy there.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Buy it from Amazon, return that to B&N. Profit!