Do you think there is strength in diversity and something that should be sought

[jackstar7]

Is a diversity of ideas actually what’s desired? In a round about way that seems to be what people are saying is the strength of diversity, I’m questioning if that actually is the goal though.

And I'm asking what is YOUR goal? Why start this thread? What is it you want to understand that you don't?

You seem to be intently trying to make a distinction with no difference.

 

[Jhhnn]

I thought you wanted merit based hiring? You really need to make up your mind, hypocrite.

White people are always better. Taj knows it for sure.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

That is not what the article states...at all. The authors sought to examine the formation of price bubbles, and no surprise, homogenous market conditions lead to the formation of price bubbles. This is literally talking about the alignment of services and pricing strategies, taking into account how acknowledging ethnic diversity leads to better tailoring of pricing and services. This is like saying water is wet. If I take the time to understand my client, of course I will better price my services.

You've also failed to address how organizations can provide diverse services, and be successful in targeting diverse market demographics, without themselves having a diverse workforce.

There is also nothing in your article that talks about the ROI, which is ultimately what drives such investment decisions.

You are also overlooking the extensive articles in Harvard Business Review and other scholarly journals that empirically explain the failure of workforce diversity initiatives.

You mean the same folks who tout "downsizing" as a legitimate business plan?

 

[UglyCasanova]

And I'm asking what is YOUR goal? Why start this thread? What is it you want to understand that you don't?

You seem to be intently trying to make a distinction with no difference.

Well we’ve been having a discussion for five pages now and there seems to be a variety of responses, I guess that? Why do you start threads?

Not sure what you mean by the "making a distinction with no difference" part.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You mean the same folks who tout "downsizing" as a legitimate business plan?

Not sure I understand where you are going with that

 

[jackstar7]

Well we’ve been having a discussion for five pages now and there seems to be a variety of responses, I guess that? Why do you start threads?

Not sure what you mean by the "making a distinction with no difference" part.

Yeah, I'm sure you don't.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Ok

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Not sure I understand where you are going with that

Just making the distinction between 'good' business practices for corporations aren't the same as for small businesses.

 

[FIVR]

Goat boy's not too bright. It's pretty much a waste of time to try to converse with him.


I'd rate this troll thread 3/10

 

[fskimospy]

That is not what the article states...at all. The authors sought to examine the formation of price bubbles, and no surprise, homogenous market conditions lead to the formation of price bubbles. This is literally talking about the alignment of services and pricing strategies, taking into account how acknowledging ethnic diversity leads to better tailoring of pricing and services. This is like saying water is wet. If I take the time to understand my client, of course I will better price my services.

You've also failed to address how organizations can provide diverse services, and be successful in targeting diverse market demographics, without themselves having a diverse workforce.

There is also nothing in your article that talks about the ROI, which is ultimately what drives such investment decisions.

You are also overlooking the extensive articles in Harvard Business Review and other scholarly journals that empirically explain the failure of workforce diversity initiatives.

You really, really need to read that article again. It is explicitly about ethnic homogeneity.

You’ve run into this several times recently where you aren’t reading or understanding our links or even your own links.

 

[fskimospy]

What difference does any of it make ? If over 90% of higher education teachers are men or women or trans, are white or black or brown or yellow or mixed. If they are Christian or Muslims or Hindu or Atheists or Sikhs. If all of them are the same politically where is the diversity of thought? Where is the diversity of values? Where is the diversity of education?

There is none and that is exactly the way the progressive/Democrats want it to be. You only support diversity when you perceive there is a benefit to you politically.

Says the guy who wants Republicans who end up in third place to be included in elections over the Democrat in second place.

Hypocrite.

 

[Paratus]

At work we had an I & I (Inclusion and Innovation) class taught by an instructor with an advanced degree in neuroscience.

For our case of small groups of engineers solving technical problems (operations and engineering) the literature is pretty conclusive that diverse groups outperform those with homogeneous backgrounds when finding novel solutions.

He had a couple of group activities to drive this point home.

He also addressed the neurological impacts of discrimination on minority members of group.

Discrimination tends to trigger the same stress hormones (cortisol and adrenaline) used in fight or flight. Those hormones were fine when we were cavemen and they were dumped in your system for the minute or two it took to escape or be eaten by a bear. However today the bear is in your head and can last for months leading to all sorts of medical and neurological issues that affect performance.

Discrimination also imparts a cognitive load on the people being discriminated against as they have to spend the mental energy to deal with it.

Outside of what many on here would call SJW issues when an employee indulges themselves in discriminating against a minority member of the team they are negatively impacting their teams performance and essentially damaging their businesses bottom line. (Maybe Google TechBro should have considered whether that was his prerogative before dumping his manifesto in public)

The instructor also explained how easy it can be to unknowingly discriminate against others. The human brain relies a lot on memory maps, wrote behavior and the similar stereotypes. Using your big prefrontal cortex to be mindful costs energy. Falling back on a memory map to perform a known task or a stereotype to make a judgment saves energy. If you’ve ever driven home and can’t remember most of the drive you were falling back on a memory map.

He had some interesting little games to show how shit you never even wanted in your head can make you perform the game wrong.

All in all it was a very interesting and convincing class on why diversity is a good thing.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Just making the distinction between 'good' business practices for corporations aren't the same as for small businesses.

Ok, that wasn't apparent from your post, and I largely agree. I know a lot of small business owners, and they all overwhelming resent getting caught in the crossfire of even policies enacted with the best of intentions

 

[Starbuck1975]

You really, really need to read that article again. It is explicitly about ethnic homogeneity.

You’ve run into this several times recently where you aren’t reading or understanding our links or even your own links.

Yes we seem to be going circles, because I similarly feel you are completely mischaracterizing or misrepresenting the articles cited.

 

[fskimospy]

Yes we seem to be going circles, because I similarly feel you are completely mischaracterizing or misrepresenting the articles cited.

Please explain and cite the parts of the article you feel I have mischaracterized.

 

[bshole]

diversity as implemented in western society right now, like at google is exactly that, discrimination.

LoL.... you pick the most successful company on the planet and say they are are doing it all wrong. It is hard to conceive of a worse example of diversity not working.

Pro-tip, you are trying to convince people that diversity hurts corporate profits. This means that you should be picking failed companies that practiced diversity.

 

[urvile]

I don't give a shit. As long as they can do their job. When technical companies hire women, coloureds, muslims, gays or midgets for technical roles. They still need to have the relevant tertiary qualifications from a recognised university.

They aren't hiring random people off the street. I don't know if certain segments of the US population genuinely live in their own self obsessed, insular, bubble of reality but maybe they do?

The employees I really have a problem with are the ones that are problematic. Especially if they are being a giant bigoted pain in the arse.

 

[Jhhnn]

So weird. What we have is a diverse society, increasingly so. If we can't see it as a strength then it will surely be a weakness. That wouldn't be good for any of us.

A lot of people need to adjust their attitudes about our fellow Americans if we're to thrive & meld it all into a better future for our children. We can all start out by not being a dick... well, except we just elected the biggest dick in the country to be President. How did people's heads get that screwed up, anyway?

 

[Paratus]

I don't give a shit. As long as they can do their job. When technical companies hire women, coloureds, muslims, gays or midgets for technical roles. They still need to have the relevant tertiary qualifications from a recognised university.

They aren't hiring random people off the street. I don't know if certain segments of the US population genuinely live in their own self obsessed, insular, bubble of reality but maybe they do?

The employees I really have a problem with are the ones that are problematic. Especially if they are being a giant bigoted pain in the arse.

That’s what most of these guys are consciously or unconsciously assuming. When we say hiring for diversity that the choice is between a a qualified (white guy) candidate and a less qualified (minority/female) candidate with job going to the “less” qualified candidate. (The assumption being the white guy is always the most qualified)

Instead companies might prefer minorities or female candidates when picking from a group of roughly equivalent candidates to round out a team that is most likely already heavy on white guys.

Speaking in generalities when comparing minorities and woman to the majority in STEM types jobs, the women and minorities are almost always going to have had to work harder to be at the same level. Hard work should be the tie breaker.

 

[bshole]

Speaking in generalities when comparing minorities and woman to the majority in STEM types jobs, the women and minorities are almost always going to have had to work harder to be at the same level. Hard work should be the tie breaker.

Here in Wisconsin, women and black embedded software engineers are extremely rare (at least the ones interested in our industry). I have attended many technical conferences and this is what I see..... white dudes (and increasingly Asians).

 

[mect]

What about diversity in terms of wrong and right ideas? For example, the belief of flat earth is strangely gaining popularity. Is it good for society to have these things in it?

If this was a good thing, we'd be pushing for more republicans.

 

[Paratus]

Here in Wisconsin, women and black embedded software engineers are extremely rare (at least the ones interested in our industry). I have attended many technical conferences and this is what I see..... white dudes (and increasingly Asians).

We have some where closing in on half of our division being women - engineers or other tech degrees.

About half of my supervisors have been women and two were African American women.

Here’s a shot of mission control from 10 years ago. It’s not all white guys with skinny ties and pocket protectors anymore.

The flight director is the woman in the dark purple shirt.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

White people are always better. Taj knows it for sure.

You say shit like that, i don't

 

[urvile]

When we say hiring for diversity that the choice is between a a qualified (white guy) candidate and a less qualified (minority/female) candidate with job going to the “less” qualified candidate. (The assumption being the white guy is always the most qualified)

Yep. It's an important part of the narrative. In a way it's naive. I have worked for a massive company whose primary business was engineering. It's what they did. So when they hire someone as a system engineer for example that person at a minimum will need a recognised 4 year engineering degree. In fact if they don't have the degree they cannot even apply. It's got nothing to do with the colour of their skin or their gender. Although because there are so few women in the engineering field. Companies are eager to snap them up but they still need an engineering degree and will still need to go through the full recruitment process. That company stressed a good cultural fit and that is very important when the goal is to deliver projects on time.

I started at that company as a graduate. I had to have a relevant degree and a course average above a cut off point or I couldn't apply. To me it just looks like these guys who feel they are being discriminated against are self absorbed, self important snowflakes.

 

[mect]

I think the main thing I've learned reading through this thread is that we have some really bigoted members here on p&n. All hail the mighty whitey.