Do you think there is strength in diversity and something that should be sought

[snarfbot]

the definition of discrimination

 

[fskimospy]

it doesnt matter what you think, or what you are tired of, because preferentially choosing people based on the color of their skin, sex or sexual orientation is the definition of discrimination.

Yes, I’m aware of the ‘if you don’t like bigots then you’re a bigot’ argument. Nobody is dumb enough to buy that.

 

[snarfbot]

Yes, I’m aware of the ‘if you don’t like bigots then you’re a bigot’ argument. Nobody is dumb enough to buy that.

who made that argument? not me.

i said that preferentially choosing people based on their skin color, sex or sexual orientation is the definition of discrimination.

you responded to the strawman, the windmill. im over here. what do you have to say?

 

[fskimospy]

who made that argument? not me.

i said that preferentially choosing people based on their skin color, sex or sexual orientation is the definition of discrimination.

you responded to the strawman, the windmill. im over here. what do you have to say?

And I’m saying that diversity initiatives almost never do that. Google’s most certainly did not. It’s ironic that you’re mad at me for not responding to your straw man.

 

[Starbuck1975]

That’s not what the article said, it said financial systems with diverse players performed better at avoiding asset bubbles and priced equities more effectively. Is: they worked better.

Do you have similar evidence that says otherwise?

They worked better because their services were more diverse. You basically said the same thing I said using different words. I countered your point. Address what I said or keep spinning in circles.

 

[snarfbot]

And I’m saying that diversity initiatives almost never do that. Google’s most certainly did not. It’s ironic that you’re mad at me for not responding to your straw man.

it doesn't matter if what you are saying is that they almost never do, or that your claims are that Google's most certainly did not.

because any preferential hiring based on skin color, sex or sexual orientation is by definition discrimination.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

How about a hiring freeze on publicly funded colleges and Universities until they achieve political diversity?

 

[fskimospy]

You basically said the same thing I said using different words. I countered your point. Address what I said or keep spinning in circles.

You did not counter my point in any way and I don’t think you read the article as it had literally nothing to do with diversity in assets. It had to do with the ethnicity and gender of market participants.

Address it with empirical research or keep spinning in circles.

 

[fskimospy]

it doesn't matter if what you are saying is that they almost never do, or that your claims are that Google's most certainly did not.

because any preferential hiring based on skin color, sex or sexual orientation is by definition discrimination.

So in other words your argument is irrelevant as it doesn’t pertain to what people are discussing.

Congratulations.

 

[fskimospy]

How about a hiring freeze on publicly funded colleges and Universities until they achieve political diversity?

I thought you wanted merit based hiring? You really need to make up your mind, hypocrite.

 

[snarfbot]

So in other words your argument is irrelevant as it doesn’t pertain to what people are discussing.

Congratulations.

any argument that attempts to rationalize discrimination is irrelevant

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Hiring more conservatives would be merit based on excellence.

 

[fskimospy]

any argument that attempts to rationalize discrimination is irrelevant

/facepalm

 

[fskimospy]

Hiring more conservatives would be merit based on excellence.

You aren’t even trying anymore.

 

[snarfbot]

/facepalm

so you have no response? discrimination is discrimination, just come out and say, "I fskimospy proudly support discrimination, i am unable to explain how i rationalize this" then

 

[GagHalfrunt]

That's a very weak analogy though. Your analogy skews the argument, as why the hell would anyone ever sample every drug? Is the sampler even actually ill in this analogy? Would it work out any better if they took a million doses of the same drug? It doesn't really make sense as a scenario. Why not say a homogeneous population is bad for the same reason that stocking a pharmacy only with one kind of drug is bad - as you'll be stuck if you develop an illness that drug doesn't treat?

Diversity is not synonymous with open borders in any case. Two different discussions. Like I said already, I do think a very diverse population risks giving more power to those at the top, because its very hard to organise across language and cultural differences, but its a trade off.

The analogy is fine for anyone with the brains to understand it. That sadly leaves you out. It was offered as a counterpoint to a moron that suggested that diversity is automatically good and of course it used an example that was bad. You really need to have that explained to you? I can use monosyllabic words if you think that would help.

Mixing lion and basset hound does not turn the lion into a greater predator.
Adding kids of a different race might improve a playgroup, adding a wolverine would ruin things.
Bacteria and viruses diversify themselves often to the detriment of humanity.

Pick any analogy you want. Diversity for diversity sake is not good or bad. It stands as much chance of creating a new virus as it does of combating an existing one. It can strengthen a bloodline or weaken one. It can make a social group stronger or tear one apart. Whether its good or bad is 100% decided on a case by case basis and its impact can only be judged AFTER it's happened. It's not any more to be desired than it is to be feared. It just is. Change can be good, it can be bad and that shouldn't need to be pointed out to anyone.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

You aren’t even trying anymore.

What difference does any of it make ? If over 90% of higher education teachers are men or women or trans, are white or black or brown or yellow or mixed. If they are Christian or Muslims or Hindu or Atheists or Sikhs. If all of them are the same politically where is the diversity of thought? Where is the diversity of values? Where is the diversity of education?

There is none and that is exactly the way the progressive/Democrats want it to be. You only support diversity when you perceive there is a benefit to you politically.

 

[Victorian Gray]

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/please-read-your-enlightened-cooperation-is-required.2508623/

Had your vision tested lately?

 

[hasu]

Diversity in culture is part of globalization (shows inclusiveness) and that helps in trade negotiations.

 

[realibrad]

What your describing is no problem at all, it's evolution. Species no longer being able to breed with one another is not a problem, it's a natural consequence of the incredible diversity that evolution relies on. I mean do you really think that fish not being able to breed with elephants is a negative? It's a positive as those lines of animals have split so far from one another that it's very unlikely one cause will be able to kill them both. These are big, big advantages.

It would be a problem if the population is small. If you had a group that had a sudden shock, and the group is small because they are changing so quickly there may not be enough to repopulate. So its not a negative to a large group, but the smaller groups.

 

[realibrad]

Looks like you are right, i thought it was a genetic thing, There must be a outbreak that can apply like Sickle Cell Anemia, if we all had that gene we would have problems.

You are right that the plague did trigger changes, but its not inherently always good when that happens as we see with Sickle Cell Anemia. Good for Africa is you dont have a long life, bad otherwise.

 

[realibrad]

If the goal is survival of the species, diversity is good. If the goal is your personal survival, it's good if you have the trait that that proves beneficial (I of you're a NBA player that was lucky to get tall genes, you think it's great for you to have this genes) or get to enjoy that person who has the traits you like but don't have. But otherwise in the face of an epidemic then it doesn't matter except for the notion that the resistant people may be studied and their mechanisms of resistance are used to develop treatments. Work like that for example is on going with HIV and most of the HIV vaccine trials use mechanisms first identified in people who showed that they were obviously resistant to the disease. In fact the latest HIV drugs also use the same mechanisms as treatment (there is a receptor that if you're born without you cannot get HIV. The latest drugs block that receptor and so mimic innate resistance. If you're curious the few people who were cured of HIV were cured because they received bone marrow transplant from donors who by chance had this resistant variation).

However people don't generally seek diversity and implement such programs for personal/individual gain. Rather they are done on the hypothesis and basis that society or their organization or company or research group and etc will be better off. There's a reason why universities and hospitals try and hire people from other institutions rather than just taking only their own trainees. The idea is that people from other places will bring ideas, cultures, influences, etc to their new institution and improve it or something bring success. I can tell you that personally. Where I work I certainly didn't train there but after arrival left and right I began spotting things that were major issues and implementing solutions. These are problems that have been there for a long time and we're either poorly recognized or lacked political will to solve. It took an outsider to say let's fix it and this is how.

That is the value of diversity. Group think is not good. Again 40% of Fortune 500 companies were founded either by immigrants or first generation children of immigrants. That is a startling fact.

Hey dont get me wrong, I'm generally on your side. I'm a capitalist and the only way it works is if innovation happens. The greater the diversity, the more innovation. I'm just saying its not always good and thus not inherent. And the difference is not insignificant either.

 

[jackstar7]

That’s a good point, is it actually diversity of ideas that we are in search for? Political beliefs for instance, is having a group with different political beliefs stronger or are we just looking for diversity in terms of race and gender?

Can you explain what you're driving at?

 

[Starbuck1975]

You did not counter my point in any way and I don’t think you read the article as it had literally nothing to do with diversity in assets. It had to do with the ethnicity and gender of market participants.

Address it with empirical research or keep spinning in circles.

That is not what the article states...at all. The authors sought to examine the formation of price bubbles, and no surprise, homogenous market conditions lead to the formation of price bubbles. This is literally talking about the alignment of services and pricing strategies, taking into account how acknowledging ethnic diversity leads to better tailoring of pricing and services. This is like saying water is wet. If I take the time to understand my client, of course I will better price my services.

You've also failed to address how organizations can provide diverse services, and be successful in targeting diverse market demographics, without themselves having a diverse workforce.

There is also nothing in your article that talks about the ROI, which is ultimately what drives such investment decisions.

You are also overlooking the extensive articles in Harvard Business Review and other scholarly journals that empirically explain the failure of workforce diversity initiatives.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Can you explain what you're driving at?

Is a diversity of ideas actually what’s desired? In a round about way that seems to be what people are saying is the strength of diversity, I’m questioning if that actually is the goal though.