Do you think the draft will be reinstated?

[Soybomb]

<< Simply put not everyone is capable of being a soldier. Everyone on this planet is different, there are some people who could never been a mortician, coroner, or surgeon because of thejob requirements. Similarly there are people that just aren't cut out to be a soldier. I absolutely agree... that's why when you're in college, they don't draft you, because you'll be more productive than you would be in the military (unless you enlist).But we're talking about a DRAFT here, when your nation NEEDS you to help defend your freedom and liberty. So like I said, I think mandatory military service sounds good, but in practice, we'd find alot more problems with it. Most of the world actually has mandatory military service. >>



So what if most of the world has mandatory military service? Do you disagree that our military is probably stronger than 80-90% of those countries militaries at least?

Also even if you weren't doing front line fighting, everyone still goes through training. Not everyone can do that either. Mandatory is just asking for too much. With such diversity in people, you can't expect 100% of people to be able to do some task. Then you'll get a few people who get out of service, making others be treated unfairly, etc. Like I said its a nice thought, but we've got a working recipe, why change it now and risk ruining something good?

If there every was a draft and I was called, I would serve my country. If there was mandatory military service, I would leave the country. This is the land of freedom and I should let the government control my life for 2 years or more? In the absolute prime of my life none-the-less? No thanks, thats not for me. I've got lots of plans of things to do in this short life and if I'm going to ive in a land of freedom, I demand that freedom to make my own choices.

Like I said what we're doing now works wonderfully, I think changing that would mess up a great military. Is it the land of freedom anymore if you become the governments servant against your will for years? I sure don't think so.

 

[Midnight Rambler]

Tripleshot: You'll love this one my friend ...

In Sunday's paper, there was an (AP) article you would find interesting, to say the least. In surveys, the highest level of support for all out war came from the 18-23 yr. old age group. The article then goes on to examine recent trends in armed services volunteer requests/inquiries. Out of the total number of inquiries to the armed services since the attack on the U.S., the percentage of inquiries from 18-23 year olds was the absolute rock bottom by a wide margin, in the low single digits. Highest %age of inquiries was from people who had already served. Speaks volumes, don't it.

 

[DDad]

While I kinda agree with Tripleshot's comment about everyone should serve, I'm actually thinking that Heinliens thoughts ("Starship Troopers"- the book, not the movie) are more practical- that only veterans are allowed "full" citizenship (including the right to vote, run for office, etc. Everyone gets to pay taxes.....)

What a lot of folks don't realize that the idea of "everyone serves" is a old one- as a matter of fact it was originally the way the armed forces for the US were formed. Every man from the age of 17-45 was required to own a gun, to drill with the militia once a week, and be ready to be called. Worked fine up till the war of 1812. To this day Switzerland still has this basic system (side note- Hitler wanted to invade Switzerland, Generals talked him out of it because the Swiss had more divisions- so he decided on Russia instead. Bad Move!)

 

[gooseman]

I don't think it will be reinstated because we have a huge military, including reserves, in the first place. However, I think that all of you guys should remember that the very freedom you enjoy today was earned from the BLOOD, sweat and tears of millions of Americans that have served, drafted included.

 

[SLEEPER5555]

what is the official age for draft i know it is 18-?? what does it go to!

 

[perry]

You have to register when you are 18, and keep them updated on your age until the year you turn 26. My understanding is that men that turn 20 the year the draft is started will be the first to be drafted. Then 21, 22, 23, 24, and 25. They say that 18 and 19 year old men will not be drafted.

 

[uknemesis]

I'm in the UK and if they introduce the draft over here I'd be proud to go and fight for my country!

Nemesis

 

[SLEEPER5555]

uknemesis - if you would be proud to fight for your country why wait until you get drafted? why not enroll?
I am asking this as a question and not trying to pick on you or start an argument i am just curious. please understand!

 

<< You hope so?!

Yes. In fact,I think all citizens should be required to serve in the military in service to their country for no less than 2 years, male and female.

You enjoy the freedom, earn it. >>



No offence, you sound like a communist.

I was born, I have certain liberties, since when did I have to earn my damned freedom?!

I do not want to have to kill another human being, I do not need to get shot.



<< My grandfather served, and refuses to discuss it because the things he saw were "too horrible to talk about." War scarred him, and millions of others. And you want to see this happen to everyone, more often? >>



Exactly, were talking about service time in times of "war" here. If mandatory service included not being shipped off and handed an m-16 in a country full of people who hate you, then that may be more tolerable.
This "war" is completely fabricated, and is just driven by propaganda.
Who do we need a milllion people to fight? Afganistan?

 

[uknemesis]

<< uknemesis - if you would be proud to fight for your country why wait until you get drafted? why not enroll?
I am asking this as a question and not trying to pick on you or start an argument i am just curious. please understand! >>



I wanted to be in the army when I was younger, I had the medical but due to a slight health problem I was unable to join. When they do the draft they usually lower the health requirement so I'll be able to join, given a choice I'd join right now!

Nemesis

 

[Ylen13]

no it will not unless their is a wolrd word III. If their was a draft i would never be called in the first place i never register. However if i did register and i would have been called i would still not go.I would reather eather go to another coutry or just go to my neighbeer then to go and die. NO thanks but i would rather stay alive then die for my country.

 

[Syringer]

I HOPE No and I THINK No.

I wouldn't want a draft. Not fun at all. No one wants to be drafted against their will. But it is highly unlikely give then current circumstances. Plus, we've got enough people...

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Tripleshot. Are you in the military or ever serve in the military? If so what is(was) your rank? Have you ever served in actual combat?

Judging by your postings I would think not.

Draft, manditory service=Forced labor

Do you honestly think that the US can afford to pay, cloth, feed, and train 20 million more people. Get real.The way the Military is now they don't needs millions of troops. They need people to press buttons to launch missles and rockets and pilots to fly fighters. If it comes down to it, it is better to bomb the oppossing force brutally than risk the lives of American "draftees"

Also drafting is a violation of civil rights. We as Americans have the right and freedom to choose and I think that if the government wants to take that from me and my fellow citizens, that they are going to have to worry about more than a draft. If the government tries to take our freedom, the people will take back their government.

 

[azazyel]

No, it won't be reinstated and hopefully if it is it will be after I turn 25 (one month).

*-if you want to make sure that you won't get drafted then go and delcare yourself a pacifist, become of farmer, a fisherman or go to school.

 

[BDawg]

I think some of you people need to be drafted and spend a little time in the military to respect what they've done for us.

You don't need to kill someone or get shot, but you're fine for someone else to take care of you? A lot of the youth today is just sad.

Technically, there is no upper end to the draft. The oldest you can be 27 to join the military though. In times of war, they often draft older than that if you're a doctor.

While I'm not a military type, I would gladly serve my country if they called. Actually, if I thought I would be drafted, I would just join the Air Force or Navy.

 

[TheKidd]

Aargh, draft or no draft, I need to register with selective services since I just turned 18 2 weeks ago.

 

[Tripleshot]

Status of the SSS in the Aftermath of the September 11th Terrorist Attacks on the U.S.

From Staff Sergent S.Williams USAF 1968-1971

You pussies can kiss my lily white ass.:disgust:

 

[Ylen13]

it says "Federal law to register with Selective Service within 30 days of their 18th birthday. Late registrations are accepted, but not if a man is 26 years old or older."

I personally can care less about the federal law that requires me to registers.

 

[hungrypete]

Tripleshot, I agree with you in principle, but lets face it, dont YOU know some people you would NOT want standing next to you with a firearm? I'd be happy to go, I'm actually considering signing up of my own free will, since I'm not all that happy with my life right now anyways. But I DO know that there are alot of people with no business in the military, they'd only make it more dangerous for the soldiers. I don't think America is going to have any shortage of soldiers in this war, if the gov came out and said "we need a million volunteers" they would probably get 5 million right now.

 

[RossMAN]

Tripleshot and others,

What do you think about other countries which require their 18 year old men serve at least 2 years in the military, like in South Korea?

 

[Ylen13]

personally i'm agenst people being forced to go to military.However all of the countryes that required people to go in to military for 2 years have a different system then us.What i mean is that people in us after high school eather go and get a job or go to school. But in those coutryes that required the military service they go to military.Their for the colleges their are not affected cause every year student after military mostlikely then go and attend college.Agen i don't know if that is how it works in other countryes.

 

[Tripleshot]

What do you think about other countries which require their 18 year old men serve at least 2 years in the military, like in South Korea?

Actually I favor the Isreali army way. Women are included.

And we do a great job of providing our military with collage benifits after they serve. 3 hots,a cot, and enough spending money to buy a mustang convertable....all while you are serving in the defense and honor of your country. Thats one sweet package for those that have the cajones to do it.


dont YOU know some people you would NOT want standing next to you with a firearm?

Yep, some have posted in this thread and sent me private email. Fact is,if some pacifist was in a fox hole with me and refused to fire his weapon at the enemy,my first shot would be through his temple. A soldier doesn't need excess bagage.

BTW, I also favor execution by firing squad to all draft dodgers caught and brought to trial in times of war.
I have made the arguement that not all draftees see the front line. That is a myth. There are many more support jobs behind the lines for the pacifist.

Once you have seen war and smelled death,the fear transforms to anger,and the pacifist will to live supercedes his will to be a pacifist. They do become some of the best,most ruthless soldiers in the field.

 

[Ylen13]

<< BTW, I also favor execution by firing squad to all draft dodgers caught and brought to trial in times of war. >>



You do realized that would be considered murder

 

[azazyel]

Personally I would go Coast Gaurd. At least there you gaurenteed to see some action.

 

[hungrypete]

<<

<< BTW, I also favor execution by firing squad to all draft dodgers caught and brought to trial in times of war. >>



You do realized that would be considered murder >>



considered murder by who?