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Do you think the cops killing of this man was justified? Video inside

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Phokus said:
Yes, but who requested it? The police department, HURF DURF. You didn't ask why the police department requested that warrant in your stupid rant.
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FDF12389 said:
No, they did their jobs. I assure no one who was involved with requesting the no knock was part of the breaching team(Notice I did not say police department, I said breaching team), neither was the judge that granted it.

I think you guys need to move your anger on up the ladder.Why are no knock warrants legal? Why did the judge issue a no knock? Why was one requested? Who requested it? Seems like anger should be focused at them, not the team that was doing their job.
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Learn to read.

Edit: Nice edit you got there. ^^^
 
FDF12389 said:
Learn to read.
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Yeah, i edited it out. That's fucking bullshit dude, you're saying the swat team had no say in it? You're a fucking imbecile. And being in SWAT is a CHOICE.


FDF12389 said:
Learn to read.

Edit: Nice edit you got there. ^^^
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At first i was going to let it go, and i changed my mind, there's no way those involved in the actual breaching didn't have a say. You think someone higher up just say, 'ok do a no knock search' without their input? That's the most retarded thing anyone has ever written.
 
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Phokus said:
For one thing, it's well known that if you're going to be on a SWAT team, you're going to be doing sleazy shit like that. Secondly, i have high doubts that the SWAT team doesn't have SOME say in whether to do a no knock raid or not.
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Phokus said:
Yeah, i edited it out. That's fucking bullshit dude, you're saying the swat team had no say in it? You're a fucking imbecile. And being in SWAT is a CHOICE.





At first i was going to let it go, and i changed my mind, there's no way those involved in the actual breaching didn't have a say. You think someone higher up just say, 'ok do a no knock search' without their input? That's the most retarded thing anyone has ever written.
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Swat Team =! Breaching team

Its really not that complicated. The door kickers kick doors when they're told too, they're lead is involved, but the actual door kickers are not.
 
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FDF12389 said:
That's because they don't. After they warrant is obtained the team is briefed, that ship has sailed.
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You could always quit your job and go on welfare because you disagree with what your group is doing
(it's only a matter of time before some retard argues this)
 
FDF12389 said:
Its really not that complicated. The door kickers kick doors when they're told too, they're lead is involved, but the actual door kickers are not.
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You're not getting it, you're claiming that the people involved in shooting the guy down had no input in obtaining the warrant. I find that hard to believe, especially considering the seriousness and planning involved in a no knock warrant.

Also, it's a choice to be part of a such a team. It's not like it's a mystery that there's a high risk of unwarranted killing.
 
FDF12389 said:
That's because they don't. After they warrant is obtained the team is briefed, that ship has sailed.
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That's what YOU say, but i have a hard time believing something so complicated wouldn't involve the LEO's involved. What you're basically saying is that some paper pusher authorizes that shit without ever speaking to the team.
 
ShawnD1 said:
You could always quit your job and go on welfare because you disagree with what your group is doing
(it's only a matter of time before some retard argues this)
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I think anyone who decides to be a part of that is a piece of shit to begin with or insanely naive.
 
Phokus said:
That's what YOU say, but i have a hard time believing something so complicated wouldn't involve the LEO's involved. What you're basically saying is that some paper pusher authorizes that shit without ever speaking to the team.
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Even IF they consult the team(Most cases this does not happen), the person being consulted still won't be a member of the breaching team. My original statement is correct. I'm not sure what you're missing here. No, door kickers are not consulted.
 
FDF12389 said:
Even IF they consult the team(Most cases this does not happen), the person being consulted still won't be a member of the breaching team. My original statement is correct. I'm not sure what you're missing here. No, door kickers are not consulted.
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Well what department/agency are YOU part of (so i can avoid whatever area you serve)? I have a hard time believing this is uniform over every department/agency. I find it hard to believe that the people who need to know the most aren't part of the discussion and some paper pusher gets the warrant and says, "SURPRISE!"
 
Phokus said:
No, obtaining.
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That's the job of the detectives and DA. Again, not the door-kickers.

You obtain evidence, while serving/executing a warrant, which was obtained through the course of an investigation because a judge granted the request for one.
 
Gooberlx2 said:
That's the job of the detectives and DA. Again, not the door-kickers.

You obtain evidence, while serving/executing a warrant, which was obtained through the course of an investigation because a judge granted the request for one.
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No, i get they don't obtain it, but i find the idea that the people involved in the Raids aren't consulted about it first BEFORE it's obtained.
 
Phokus said:
No, i get they don't obtain it, but i find the idea that the people involved in the Raids aren't consulted about it first BEFORE it's obtained.
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Sorry that's how it is, everywhere. I'm really not trying to argue with you here, and I see where you're coming from. However, I don't think you have a clear idea of how these processes work. How about this, you tell me how you think the process for obtaining a no knock warrant should go, and I'll let you know why that process is not practical in a real world environment. Fair enough?
 
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FDF12389 said:
Sorry that's how it is, everywhere.
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That's just beyond counter intuitive to me. I mean, the players that have actual training and experience to do the raids don't get consulted, even though their input might help determine risk/reward in even doing it.
 
FDF12389 said:
Sorry that's how it is, everywhere.
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To be fair, they might sometimes consult the tactical planner or someone like that. I mean, it's certainly possible. But that's still not likely to be a frontline member of the team who's ordered to kick in the door; and has to make the split-second decisions. And that member isn't going to be armed with the same details of the investigation the detectives have.
 
her209 said:
From the video, it looks like they screamed "POLICE! SEARCH WARRANT!" before kicking the door in. The guy was still wielding the weapon and was shot. Should they have tried to get the guy to drop the weapon. Sure. But I can't say the police wasn't justified in shooting him.
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doesnt mean he woke up before the BAM from the door breach. Just some food for thought....

PrinceofWands said:
Good, maybe it would move the people to full revolution and the public execution of every elected official and government employee...which is EXACTLY what should happen.
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wait WHAT?
 
FDF12389 said:
Sorry that's how it is, everywhere. I'm really not trying to argue with you here, and I see where you're coming from. However, I don't think you have a clear idea of how these processes work. How about this, you tell me how you think the process for obtaining a no knock warrant should go, and I'll let you know why that process is not practical in a real world environment. Fair enough?
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Gooberlx2 said:
To be fair, they might sometimes consult the tactical planner or someone like that. I mean, it's certainly possible. But that's still not likely to be a frontline member of the team who's ordered to kick in the door; and has to make the split-second decisions. And that member isn't going to be armed with the same details of the investigation the detectives have.
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Well, now that's a bit more reasonable, but still, you guys make it seem like these frontline guys are a bunch of meatheads when it seems like these types of raids involve a ton of planning with everyone involved.

That's the job of the detectives and DA. Again, not the door-kickers.
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Now why in the hell would these people not consult with the tactical teams that does the 'door kicking'?
 
Phokus said:
Now why in the hell would these people not consult with the tactical teams that does the 'door kicking'?
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Even if they do, they're telling the tactical team the same malarkey they did the judge to obtain the warrant. In this case, the real person of interest didn't even live there any longer. The tactical guys (especially the kickers) aren't really even in a position to make judgments in order to "opt-out" prior to the raid. (I think that was the premise for this line of discussion).
 
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