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Do you think the cops killing of this man was justified? Video inside

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Definitely not justified. For one, no-knock warrants are bullshit. For two, they shout outside a home in the middle of the night, blow the door down, and somebody comes out with their nearest available weapon to defend himself and his home - so they kill him? Fuck all of them, and the judge who signed off on it.

Agreed 100%.


Something that is always left out of these arguments, is the fact that a lot of thug/gang home invasions are done EXACTLY like a no-knock warranty. Kick door down, scream police, shoot anything that moves.



Personally, if someone enters my home at night I'm assuming they're there to take my life and will react accordingly.
 
Separate issue.

Cops entered premises legally, they were confronted by a man with a weapon, and they shot him.

So the answer the OP is looking for is yes, this will be ruled a clean shooting under current laws.

the current laws are complete bullshit. totally unjustified killing. sending in storm troopers into a house for a little bit of pot? give me a fucking break. this is the US and we have rights its not Iraq where the storm troopers can kick in doors for any reason and cap the occupants. too many soldiers on the swat teams who go back into combat mode and blast anything that moves.
 
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Per the article:

"In the house they found a small amount of pot and an empty vial that likely contained meth."




I'd love to see what was presented to the judge in order to obtain the no knock
 
Nope.

I don't think that killing someone over stupid, politically- and financially-motivated drug laws is justifiable at all.
 
Separate issue.

Cops entered premises legally, they were confronted by a man with a weapon, and they shot him.

So the answer the OP is looking for is yes, this will be ruled a clean shooting under current laws.
the current laws are complete bullshit. totally unjustified killing. sending in storm troopers into a house for a little bit of pot? give me a fucking break. this is the US and we have rights its not Iraq where the storm troopers can kick in doors for any reason and cap the occupants. too many soldiers on the swat teams who go back into combat mode and blast anything that moves.

I agree, I was answering the OPs question. I am also very against the drug war, but that's not the question at hand either.
 
If I were the cop I would have fired as well, gotta put yourself in those shoes and knowing that your life is on the line.

Sure, I don't think it was unreasonable for the cop to have reacted the way he did. But then I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a homeowner, even if a criminal - but especially if they're not, to react the way the guy did.

Reasonable and law abiding people might (do) react the exact same way in the same circumstance. Or they just happened to be carving dinner when the cops bust in, and are holding a big knife.

Those natural situations/reactions get innocent people killed, and I don't like no-knock warrants for that reason.
 
Definitely not justified. For one, no-knock warrants are bullshit. For two, they shout outside a home in the middle of the night, blow the door down, and somebody comes out with their nearest available weapon to defend himself and his home - so they kill him? Fuck all of them, and the judge who signed off on it.

I agree 100%. They murdered that man, plain and simple. And talk about crappy police work. They watched the house for sometime and thought he was a drug dealer. But find nothing to support the bullshit police work. Then they wonder why the public doesn't like them, doesn't trust them, and in many cases show no sympathy when one of them ends up with a bullet in them.
 
While I can understand them shooting, the bottom line is that they shouldn't have been in that position in the first place. I'd probably vote for suspending sentences against the officers, but charge whoever authorized the action with manslaughter.

What I'd REALLY like to see is a few thousand officers get killed every year doing stupid shit like this until it was stopped for their own safety. People in power need fear to keep them honest. If their lives aren't in danger, they're not going to police (excuse the pun) their own actions.
 
Separate issue.

Cops entered premises legally, they were confronted by a man with a weapon, and they shot him.

So the answer the OP is looking for is yes, this will be ruled a clean shooting under current laws.

It will be ruled clean of course, no matter how bad the shooting is, the cops will all swear to it for each other.

The cops entered a man's house at night, almost certainly disturbed his sleep, and he comes out with the nearest defensive item... no, no, fuck these cops.
 
While I can understand them shooting, the bottom line is that they shouldn't have been in that position in the first place. I'd probably vote for suspending sentences against the officers, but charge whoever authorized the action with manslaughter.

What I'd REALLY like to see is a few thousand officers get killed every year doing stupid shit like this until it was stopped for their own safety. People in power need fear to keep them honest. If their lives aren't in danger, they're not going to police (excuse the pun) their own actions.

If a few thousand cops died each year from this crap, we'd probably just see the SWAT teams being further militarized, heavier weapons and more aggressive tactics. Gas bomb the house and tear it apart with machine guns.
 
The only contraband Todd Blair, the victim, was found to have was a half ounce of marijuana.

This murder is not justified and neither are no-knock warrants. Judges and lawmakers put too much emphasis on protecting police officers, to the point where citizens (innocent until proven guilty) are allowed to be shot essentially at-will by cops.

The only case I have heard of where the cop was found liable in a death was when he was caught on video shooting a handcuffed man in the back at a BART station. He got two years IIRC. In Seattle a drunkard was given 4 seconds to follow an officer's command before bullets ripped through his torso. His weapon, a small knife, was found closed beside his body. Looks like the cop is going to get off the hook because most of the incident happened off-camera.

I should add that the fault in this case lies more with the judge than with the individual officer.
 
Police justified... yes. However I think the debate should be over the use of these warrants as opposed to how the cops handled themselves.
 
I agree 100%. They murdered that man, plain and simple. And talk about crappy police work. They watched the house for sometime and thought he was a drug dealer. But find nothing to support the bullshit police work. Then they wonder why the public doesn't like them, doesn't trust them, and in many cases show no sympathy when one of them ends up with a bullet in them.

I think that's the first time we're in agreement about something. 😛
 
I agree 100%. They murdered that man, plain and simple.

No, they did their jobs. I assure no one who was involved with requesting the no knock was part of the breaching team, neither was the judge that granted it.

I think you guys need to move your anger on up the ladder.Why are no knock warrants legal? Why did the judge issue a no knock? Why was one requested? Who requested it? Seems like anger should be focused at them, not the team that was doing their job.
 
Per the article:

"In the house they found a small amount of pot and an empty vial that likely contained meth."




I'd love to see what was presented to the judge in order to obtain the no knock

Sure, "likely". Find an empty vial, or plant an empty vial in the house, and then immediately claim it had something in it without getting proof first. Demonize the man's reputation to the public before the sham of an "investigation" even begins.
 
If a few thousand cops died each year from this crap, we'd probably just see the SWAT teams being further militarized, heavier weapons and more aggressive tactics. Gas bomb the house and tear it apart with machine guns.

Good, maybe it would move the people to full revolution and the public execution of every elected official and government employee...which is EXACTLY what should happen.
 
The only case I have heard of where the cop was found liable in a death was when he was caught on video shooting a handcuffed man in the back at a BART station. He got two years IIRC. In Seattle a drunkard was given 4 seconds to follow an officer's command before bullets ripped through his torso. His weapon, a small knife, was found closed beside his body. Looks like the cop is going to get off the hook because most of the incident happened off-camera.
Also, one where the 911 line was still open and the cops were discussing the cover up. Shot the homeowner 5 times, iirc, in the back.
 
No, they did their jobs. I assure no one who was involved with requesting the no knock was part of the breaching team, neither was the judge that granted it.

I think you guys need to move your anger on up the ladder.Why are no knock warrants legal? Why did the judge issue a no knock? Why was one requested? Who requested it? Seems like anger should be focused at them, not the team that was doing their job.

I said fuck the judge too. 😀
 
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50932722-76/blair-officer-force-deadly.html.csp

cops forgot warrant.
cops did not follow SOP and made their plans in a parking lot near by
cops were after his girlfriend and not him AND she did not live there.

the DA can say its justified but the town will be paying out the nose in a fed civil case.


A PowerPoint presentation is typically put together (and) a briefing of everybody sitting around the round table in our office ... and all the details are laid out as far as the suspect, the location, the route in, the ... evacuation points and ... where the closest medical [facility] is,” officer Brandon Beck said in a transcribed interview with county investigators.


To do a dynamic entry without the in-office briefing is “absolutely not our standard,” said Burnett, the officer who shot Blair, during an interview with investigators.

On the video, minutes before the raid begins, an officer can be heard asking the group, “Did somebody grab a copy of the warrant off my desk?”

“Oh, don’t tell me that,” Burnett replies. He then tells the other officers, “He doesn’t have a copy of the warrant.”

On Sept. 16, the day of Blair’s death, Weber-Morgan Narcotics Strike Force investigator Shane Keyes received word that Blair had 2 ounces of heroin and would be getting more that night. Keyes asked 2nd District Judge Scott M. Hadley for a no-knock, nighttime search warrant because house “lookouts” were known to give warning when police were nearby. Meth dissolves quickly, Keyes added, and “if given the opportunity, Chournos will destroy the evidence.”

However, the warrant doesn’t mention that Chournos had already moved out of Blair’s home — a development officers noted in interviews after his death.
 
Article XIV of the Massachusetts Declaration of the Rights written by John Adams and enacted in 1780 as part of Massachusetts Constitution added the requirement that all searches must be “reasonable” and served as the basis for the language of the Fourth Amendment:

Every subject has a right to be secure from all unreasonable searches, and seizures of his person, his houses, his papers, and all his possessions. All warrants, therefore, are contrary to this right, if the cause or foundation of them be not previously supported by oath or affirmation; and if the order in the warrant to a civil officer, to make search in suspected places, or to arrest one or more suspected persons, or to seize their property, be not accompanied with a special designation of the persons or objects of search, arrest, or seizure: and no warrant ought to be issued but in cases, and with the formalities, prescribed by the laws.

I think cops busting in the front door in the middle of the night with guns drawn is considered unreasonable.
 
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