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Do you think the cops killing of this man was justified? Video inside

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classy said:
From that video, no that was bullshit. You can clearly see it was a rod of somekind. And the days of bursting in someone's home saying police should be outlawed, because crooks do the same thing. Guilty or not a person has a right to brandish a weapon in defense of his home.
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This x 10000000
 
FDF12389 said:
Separate issue.

Cops entered premises legally, they were confronted by a man with a weapon, and they shot him.

So the answer the OP is looking for is yes, this will be ruled a clean shooting under current laws.
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fair enough, but if you fear for your life in your home and intruders are present, you should be allowed to shoot them.
so if that is legal, it becomes a matter of who shoots first. and the home owner should kill every cop first. after you shoot the first they probably won't let you surrender, so you might as well kill them all until cooler heads come around.
yay?
 
Totally justified. Just imagine if that half oz of weed got into the wrong hands. There could be a bunch of dudes getting stoned watching Cheech and Chong movies and gorging on Taco Bell. Oh noes!
 
The fact is, if you surround yourself in drugs and drug dealers, this shit can happen. Don't deal drugs or live with drug deals and you're fine.
 
This very easily could have been my dad. He usually keeps a little weed in the house, and it's not at all rare for me to come in late at night and hear him say in scary voice "am i gonna have to shoot you?" before I make myself known. If I broke down the door yelling police I definitely would be getting shot.
 
brandonb said:
Article XIV of the Massachusetts Declaration of the Rights written by John Adams and enacted in 1780 as part of Massachusetts Constitution added the requirement that all searches must be “reasonable” and served as the basis for the language of the Fourth Amendment:

Every subject has a right to be secure from all unreasonable searches, and seizures of his person, his houses, his papers, and all his possessions. All warrants, therefore, are contrary to this right, if the cause or foundation of them be not previously supported by oath or affirmation; and if the order in the warrant to a civil officer, to make search in suspected places, or to arrest one or more suspected persons, or to seize their property, be not accompanied with a special designation of the persons or objects of search, arrest, or seizure: and no warrant ought to be issued but in cases, and with the formalities, prescribed by the laws.

I think cops busting in the front door in the middle of the night with guns drawn is considered unreasonable.
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I don't think "unreasonable" refers to the time of day the search occurs, but whether the legal basis for performing the search is reasonable or not.
 
bargetrav said:
The fact is, if you surround yourself in drugs and drug dealers, this shit can happen. Don't deal drugs or live with drug deals and you're fine.
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Yep, if you aren't doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about, except a total violation of your rights and being killed by cops without a trial.
 
0roo0roo said:
fair enough, but if you fear for your life in your home and intruders are present, you should be allowed to shoot them.
so if that is legal, it becomes a matter of who shoots first. and the home owner should kill every cop first. after you shoot the first they probably won't let you surrender, so you might as well kill them all until cooler heads come around.
yay?
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2 cases, recently, where the homeowner got off because the po-po did not identify themselves.
 
bargetrav said:
The fact is, if you surround yourself in drugs and drug dealers, this shit can happen. Don't deal drugs or live with drug deals and you're fine.
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Are you serious? Just because someone does drugs or is an alcoholic doesn't mean its justified to shoot and kill them. You, fracking idiot.
 
her209 said:
I don't think "unreasonable" refers to the time of day the search occurs, but whether the legal basis for performing the search is reasonable or not.
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You may be right.

But along with bill of rights #4, we also have bill of rights #2, the right to bear arms to protect ourselves.

We also have the right to a trial and a speedy one at that, and #8 says we should not have any cruel or unusual punishment.

I'm sure glad we have these rights that when we use, are used against us by the state.
 
0roo0roo said:
fair enough, but if you fear for your life in your home and intruders are present, you should be allowed to shoot them.
so if that is legal, it becomes a matter of who shoots first. and the home owner should kill every cop first. after you shoot the first they probably won't let you surrender, so you might as well kill them all until cooler heads come around.
yay?
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Yep, after you fire the first shot in your own defense, the only solution is to kill every single cop within a hundred yards of your property. Otherwise, they're going to kill you.
 
bargetrav said:
The fact is, if you surround yourself in drugs and drug dealers, this shit can happen. Don't deal drugs or live with drug deals and you're fine.
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Not accurate at all. A police "informer" doesn't like you, makes something up to incriminate you. The police get the number wrong, or the street name wrong, and enter your house by mistake - boom, you're dead. There's several cases you can find if you look beyond ignorant assumptions.
 
brandonb said:
You may be right.

But along with bill of rights #4, we also have bill of rights #2, the right to bear arms to protect ourselves.

We also have the right to a trial and a speedy one at that, and #8 says we should not have any cruel or unusual punishment.

I'm sure glad we have these rights that when we use, are used against us by the state.
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A warrant gives the police the right to arrest/detain you and search the residence. I don't see how that infringes on the rights you listed above.
 
FDF12389 said:
No, they did their jobs. I assure no one who was involved with requesting the no knock was part of the breaching team, neither was the judge that granted it.

I think you guys need to move your anger on up the ladder.Why are no knock warrants legal? Why did the judge issue a no knock? Why was one requested? Who requested it? Seems like anger should be focused at them, not the team that was doing their job.
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That's complete bullshit, don't the police departments have discretion on whether they use no knock warrants or not? It's not like the judge told them they HAVE to do a no knock raid.
 
FDF12389 said:
No, they did their jobs. I assure no one who was involved with requesting the no knock was part of the breaching team, neither was the judge that granted it.

I think you guys need to move your anger on up the ladder.Why are no knock warrants legal? Why did the judge issue a no knock? Why was one requested? Who requested it? Seems like anger should be focused at them, not the team that was doing their job.
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Phokus said:
That's complete bullshit, don't the police departments have discretion on whether they use no knock warrants or not? It's not like the judge told them they HAVE to do a no knock raid.
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Learn to read.
 
DJK Frank 16 said:
If I were the cop I would have fired as well, gotta put yourself in those shoes and knowing that your life is on the line.
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Agreed, but justifiable? You just bust into someones house in the middle of the night shouting, what would your action have been?

IMO no-knock warrants are more hassle than they are worth. they invite just as many problems as they try to fix and we should ALWAYS err on the side of "innocent until proven guilty" which the no-knock kind of does away with because it puts everyone into a more stressful situation where "common-sense" isn't so common.
 
her209 said:
From the video, it looks like they screamed "POLICE! SEARCH WARRANT!" before kicking the door in. The guy was still wielding the weapon and was shot. Should they have tried to get the guy to drop the weapon. Sure. But I can't say the police wasn't justified in shooting him.
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The lesson to learn from this is that you should always yell POLICE!!!! While doing a home invasion. If the guy actually thinks it's the police, you can pwn his ass without any issues :ninja:


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Police are people too. They get scared, they make mistakes. Police who did the raid should have no fault. The person who told them to conduct the raid should be in jail for life.
 
FDF12389 said:
Learn to read.
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For one thing, it's well known that if you're going to be on a SWAT team, you're going to be doing sleazy shit like that. Secondly, i have high doubts that the SWAT team doesn't have SOME say in whether to do a no knock raid or not.
 
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