Do you think Occupywallst will turn into something transformative?

[cKGunslinger]

Came from democrat house and senate. He hated signing that crap.

D:

You might be as delusional as these other nutters..

 

[spidey07]

Lol you are such a gigantic tool. You fight against a government that pays for your way of life.

For those of you that dont know, spidey07's wife works on a school board or something. He hates when others are given government aid, but you can bet your ass he's enjoying every single government benefit his wife receives.

Oh I hate those evil corporations being all corporationy paying me damn good money to tell them what to do. And I hate the banks for loaning me a ton of money at 3.85% for 30 years for a house. And I hate the insurance companies for giving me a 2 million dollar umbrella liability coverage for 180 bucks a year.

Yep, banks and corporations are bad! Money is bad! Capitalism is evil!

 

[Mike Gayner]

Oh I hate those evil corporations being all corporationy paying me damn good money to tell them what to do. And I hate the banks for loaning me a ton of money at 3.85% for 30 years for a house. And I hate the insurance companies for giving me a 2 million dollar umbrella liability coverage for 180 bucks a year.

Yep, banks and corporations are bad! Money is bad! Capitalism is evil!

You are aware that the only reason Americans get such favourable loan terms is because of government involvement, right? 30 fixed rate mortgages are completely unheard of throughout the rest of the world, because we've never had government organisations like Fanny and Freddie to basically guarantee loans for the banks.

The excellent rates you get on those loans aren't due to corporate benevolence, or even wholly because of the USA's credit rating - it's because government intervention over there basically removes risk from the lenders and puts it in the hands of the government.

It's hilarious that you think the banks and corporations are doing you a favour though. Simply adorable.

 

[Locut0s]

You are aware that the only reason Americans get such favourable loan terms is because of government involvement, right? 30 fixed rate mortgages are completely unheard of throughout the rest of the world, because we've never had government organisations like Fanny and Freddie to basically guarantee loans for the banks.

The excellent rates you get on those loans aren't due to corporate benevolence, or even wholly because of the USA's credit rating - it's because government intervention over there basically removes risk from the lenders and puts it in the hands of the government.

It's hilarious that you think the banks and corporations are doing you a favour though. Simply adorable.

You are arguing with Spidey. I don't think you understand what that means.

 

[Jeff7]

-All the corp tax loop holes

-All the bailouts to auto industry, banks, etc.

-Fucking retard Wall St. selling rotten deals knowingly and making billions. Oh, get a slap on the wrist from Govt and pay $20 mil in punitive damage, because govt doesn't have the brains to know what Wall St. is actually doing.

How can you disagree with these?

They probably do know - because they're probably friends of acquaintances with the people they're supposed to be regulating.

Very large corporations are people:
- Who can afford to pay people so that they can avoid taxes, or enjoy negative tax rates if they're really good.
- Who have immense political influence or immunity.
- Who have moved to privatize profits and publicize losses. If they do well, it's their money to keep. If they screw up, everyone else pays for it.

 

[Ophir]

Came from democrat house and senate. He hated signing that crap.

As someone else just said, you are completely delusional. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

U.S. Treasury SecretaryHenry Paulson proposed a plan under which the U.S. Treasury would acquire up to $700 billion worth of mortgage-backed securities. The plan was immediately backed by President George W. Bush and negotiations began with leaders in the U.S. Congress to draft appropriate legislation.

 

[dawp]

Came from democrat house and senate. He hated signing that crap.

I'm sure he told you this 1st hand, didn't he.

 

[WelshBloke]

Pretty sure Vegas was Thursday. Anyways I figure it'll die down. Its mostly, as usual, a bunch of college kids who are coming to the realization that oh shit the gravy train known as college is coming to an end and its time to grow up and get a job.

So they get pissed because no they have to provide for themselves and protest. Nothing is going to change.

Pretty much every protest movement around the world starts with students, then the organised labour joins in then shit gets serious.

Now I'm not in the US so I have no way of knowing the popular mood over there but the combination of Americans attitude to civil disobedience and the way your authority react to it makes it look like it would be an uphill struggle to get any thing done.

 

[yhelothar]

Yes. It's about time people are standing up to the absolutely ludicrous practice of corporations buying out politicians.

This is not about capitalism vs socialism. This is about corpotocracy vs democracy. It's time that politicians serve the interests of the people, and not the corporations that sponsor them.

 

[Zeze]

Who had to pass the bill?

Oh thats right. Congress.

Go sit down kid, adults are talking here.

Jesus fucking christ, you are dense. Reading comprehension fail. You MUST be trolling me.

I just told you it's NOT about democrats vs repubs. And you come back with this?

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Tea party wasn't about the grass-roots rpugs either.

Dubmasses.

 

[ProfJohn]

Pretty much every protest movement around the world starts with students, then the organised labour joins in then shit gets serious.

Now I'm not in the US so I have no way of knowing the popular mood over there but the combination of Americans attitude to civil disobedience and the way your authority react to it makes it look like it would be an uphill struggle to get any thing done.

The problem is the US is two fold:
1. We have a two party system
2. One of those parties is bought and paid for by the unions.

So whenever the unions get involved with anything it is essentially the same as the Democratic Party getting involved.

So this is no longer a mass movement (if it ever was one) but is now a movement controlled and dominated by one of our political parties which means the other one can pretty much ignore the movement and write it off as political.

It is the same as the Tea Party which has huge influence in the Republican Party, but none within the Democratic Party.

The really bad thing for Democrats is that this movement could actually cost them seats in the house or senate if it turns political and leads to the nomination of far left Democrats for open house/senate seats. The Tea Party probably cost the Republicans 3 senate seats last year by nominating people who couldn't win general elections, it isn't much of stretch to see the same thing happen here.

 

[dawp]

PJ, both parties are bought and paid for, neither has the interest of the the people at heart. the only difference is who owns them.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

The problem is the US is two fold:
1. We have a two party system
2. One of those parties is bought and paid for by the unions.

So whenever the unions get involved with anything it is essentially the same as the Democratic Party getting involved.

So this is no longer a mass movement (if it ever was one) but is now a movement controlled and dominated by one of our political parties which means the other one can pretty much ignore the movement and write it off as political.

It is the same as the Tea Party which has huge influence in the Republican Party, but none within the Democratic Party.

The really bad thing for Democrats is that this movement could actually cost them seats in the house or senate if it turns political and leads to the nomination of far left Democrats for open house/senate seats. The Tea Party probably cost the Republicans 3 senate seats last year by nominating people who couldn't win general elections, it isn't much of stretch to see the same thing happen here.

First: Bring the pretty girl back as your Icon.

Second: This was a well balanced, though out, and accurate look at the situation

Third:

 

[Engineer]

And the funny thing is they are bitching because they cannot find a job when there are plenty of jobs available in the military.

You would just bitch about the increasing size of government and how much "more" it costs.

Edit: From below...

FYI the military has been over 100% recruiting goals for years now. New recruits for most jobs are waiting 6 months in the delayed entry program, with some waiting up to a 15 months before being able to join.

Meanwhile the Army is getting aggressive again about kicking out the unfit, and just this month launched a new program to uncover criminal convictions of soldiers that were never disclosed.

I guess there are not plenty of jobs in the military either. FAIL...

 

[Dr. Zaus]

You would just bitch about the increasing size of government and how much "more" it costs.

Nope:
Eliminate welfare, make them all join the military.

 

[Engineer]

Nope:
Eliminate well-fair, make them all join the military.

You can eliminate welfare if you wish but you cannot make them do anything. You might need more military to squash the riots though. Welcome Comrade!

 

[WelshBloke]

Nope:
Eliminate well-fair, make them all join the military.

Why the fuck do you think the military wants a bunch of demotivated unemployed people who don't want to be there?

 

[slayer202]

won't change anything until people start dying

 

[Nebor]

FYI the military has been over 100% recruiting goals for years now. New recruits for most jobs are waiting 6 months in the delayed entry program, with some waiting up to a 15 months before being able to join.

Meanwhile the Army is getting aggressive again about kicking out the unfit, and just this month launched a new program to uncover criminal convictions of soldiers that were never disclosed.

 

[gorcorps]

This whole occupy wall st thing is a perfect example of first world problems. People bitch that they're flat broke, but they're taking pictures with a camera (or smartphone), posting with a computer, have an internet connection, and sometimes seem to have decent clothes based on the pics they post. Only here would we have people that can afford or have access to all of that, yet say they're flat broke. Fuck all of those people. The ones that really need help are the ones that you don't hear from, because they're too busy running around trying to find a job. They haven't seen the site because they don't have internet or a PC because they're TRULY in financial distress.

If you can get online to bitch, then you have nothing yet to bitch about. These lazy fuck kids are ruining my generation.

 

[slayer202]

This whole occupy wall st thing is a perfect example of first world problems. People bitch that they're flat broke, but they're taking pictures with a camera (or smartphone), posting with a computer, have an internet connection, and sometimes seem to have decent clothes based on the pics they post. Only here would we have people that can afford or have access to all of that, yet say they're flat broke. Fuck all of those people. The ones that really need help are the ones that you don't hear from, because they're too busy running around trying to find a job. They haven't seen the site because they don't have internet or a PC because they're TRULY in financial distress.

If you can get online to bitch, then you have nothing yet to bitch about. These lazy fuck kids are ruining my generation.

your stupidity is ruining my internet experience

 

[Nintendesert]

your stupidity is ruining my internet experience

Feel free to go hang yourself with your keyboard cable. :thumbsup:

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I'm still not clear on what everyone's pissed about. Who are the protesters primarily? Democrats? Union workers? Just a general jumble of unemployed people? Are they mad because they don't have jobs? Are they mad because rich people exist?

How is this going to transform anything? Ultimately, are we going to have to lynch the top 1%, take all their money, and redistribute it? Would that even solve anything? Is that even what the occupiers want?

All I'm getting from this "Life sucks and we're pissed about it".

Don't forget the illegals getting paid to go help protests things they no nothing about. It seems like it's people that want to push socialism. What they don't understand is if they keep pushing, they and everyone else is going to be a lot worse off. They won't be able to afford their iPods and iPhones when a loaf of bread is $12. a pack of hamburger meat is $20. If they succeed in bringing down big business they will destroy not only the US's food supply, but the world food supply, as most farming is now down on mega farms that are run by, big corporations.

 

[slayer202]

ok, you guys have convinced me. computers processing millions of stock transactions gaining fractions of pennies is totally legit. same goes for all the other ways that people manipulate and cheat at the stock market. why would anyone be against that? I know right. same goes for the banks, let them do whatever they want, it's capitalism! AMERICA> FUCK YEAH!!