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Do you think Occupywallst will turn into something transformative?

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Some of the sentiments in this thread are pretty disturbing.

This is exactly how change is forced on a government, when the citizens rise up against it. This is a GOOD thing.

"Sanitation issues", lol. Give me a break. Is that all you've got?
 
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Eli said:
The sentiments in this thread are pretty disturbing.

This is exactly how change is forced on a government, when the citizens rise up against it. This is a GOOD thing.

"Sanitation issues", lol. Give me a break. Is that all you've got?
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Rising up against it is a good thing, I don't think too many people will argue that. The question was will it work. I say no because most Americans don't care, or do care but won't contribute to the cause because they are too lazy, don't accept the risk (taking time off to protest), or think someone else will take care of it.

What have you done to contribute to the cause? What have I done? What has anyone on this thread or any other thread done to help the cause? My guess is little, if anything.
 
Nintendesert said:
Change for the sake of change?
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Are you saying that you don't think some things need to be changed?

We obviously can't continue down this path indefinitely. Something is going to break, as others have pointed out.

How is this any different than the uprisings in the Middle East, in principle? Would anyone in this thread argue that those weren't good things?

The government is supposed to work for the people. When that stops happening, its up to the people to rise up. That's exactly whats happening. Though I agree it will probably just die down.

It's all a progression. Maybe this small uprising won't have any effects, but the seeds are sown. Maybe in another 10 years something similar will happen, but with 10x as many people joining as more and more people disagree with the path we're going down. Shrug.
 
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Eli said:
Some of the sentiments in this thread are pretty disturbing.

This is exactly how change is forced on a government, when the citizens rise up against it. This is a GOOD thing.

"Sanitation issues", lol. Give me a break. Is that all you've got?
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"Wall St" != "government"

CZroe posting with Ichinisan's account.
 
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Rising up against it is a good thing, I don't think too many people will argue that. The question was will it work. I say no because most Americans don't care, or do care but won't contribute to the cause because they are too lazy, don't accept the risk (taking time off to protest), or think someone else will take care of it.

What have you done to contribute to the cause? What have I done? What has anyone on this thread or any other thread done to help the cause? My guess is little, if anything.
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I write my rep and senators often and donate quite a bit to ones I support. Also go door to door come election time to help get votes.

Essentially my efforts go where they are most effectual. My efforts are to stop everybody and anybody that believes what these hippies believe. That is my cause, and I'm doing everything I can to stop it.
 
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Zeze said:
-All the corp tax loop holes

-All the bailouts to auto industry, banks, etc.

-Fucking retard Wall St. selling rotten deals knowingly and making billions. Oh, get a slap on the wrist from Govt and pay $20 mil in punitive damage, because govt doesn't have the brains to know what Wall St. is actually doing.

How can you disagree with these?
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The UAW just joined the movement which makes you wonder what they are protesting against now. The bailouts that saved their asses?
 
Specop 007 said:
How about all the personal tax loops holes? Funny I dont hear much in the way of having the 47% who pay NOTHING have to start ponying up a bit......

You mean the bailouts the Democrats pushed down our throats, the ones the Republicans didnt want?

Banks used to only lend to qualified buyers. The feds said that was discriminatory. Just not FAIR. So then they had to lend to everyone and gee, the bums couldnt pay. So then it was classified as predatory. Maybe the .gov should step out of the way and let the banks lend to who they feel are acceptable candidates?

I disagree because these are by and large government made problems. The LAST thing we need is more government.
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Were you cool with the first bailout by Bush? I'm assuming you were.
 
LookBehindYou said:
I would say in this case it is. Government is the only entity that can force the necessary change.
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The Democrats had two years of complete control of government and could have made the changes, but they didn't.

And yet the Occupy movement is slowly turning into a Democrat movement with the arrival of the unions and other big time Democrat organizations.

I think the fact that the movement is slowly being taken over by the Democrats is probably the end of it as something meaningful.
 
What exactly do the "hippies" believe that you disagree with, spidey?

I don't really even know where the hippies thing comes from. I see very few hippies in the pics of the protesters. Most look like average citizens.
 
Eli said:
What exactly do the "hippies" believe that you disagree with, spidey?

I don't really even know where the hippies thing comes from. I see very few hippies in the pics of the protesters. Most look like average citizens.
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Anarchy, communism, ect.
(which doesn't really do together but the "99ers" seem to think they do)

Its pretty straightforward.
 
spidey07 said:
I write my rep and senators often and donate quite a bit to ones I support. Also go door to door come election time to help get votes.

Essentially my efforts go where they are most effectual. My efforts are to stop everybody and anybody that believes what these hippies believe. That is my cause, and I'm doing everything I can to stop it.
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Lol you are such a gigantic tool. You fight against a government that pays for your way of life.

For those of you that dont know, spidey07's wife works on a school board or something. He hates when others are given government aid, but you can bet your ass he's enjoying every single government benefit his wife receives.
 
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If it becomes some type of serious liberal counterweight to the Tea party I would be for that, not that I live in the US.
 
Zeze said:
-All the corp tax loop holes

-All the bailouts to auto industry, banks, etc.

-Fucking retard Wall St. selling rotten deals knowingly and making billions. Oh, get a slap on the wrist from Govt and pay $20 mil in punitive damage, because govt doesn't have the brains to know what Wall St. is actually doing.

How can you disagree with these?
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Well, for one, corporations don't pay taxes. Sure, you can tax them all you want, but it just gets passed on to the consumer in the cost of their product or service. Once that cost gets higher than consumers are willing to pay or the profit margins sink lower than the business is willing to offer it for, the entire thing ceases to exist by market forces.

How can you so blindly AGREE with these?
 
Zeze said:
-All the corp tax loop holes

-All the bailouts to auto industry, banks, etc.

-Fucking retard Wall St. selling rotten deals knowingly and making billions. Oh, get a slap on the wrist from Govt and pay $20 mil in punitive damage, because govt doesn't have the brains to know what Wall St. is actually doing.

How can you disagree with these?
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We're all mad about corporate tax loopholes and the recent bailouts. I'm not certain what rotten deals you're talking about, unless you mean the subprime securities madness, and it seems like the government is as much to blame for that as Wall St. If the people camping out on wall St are primarily liberal leaning, they probably have a solution to these problems in mind that I would disagree with.
 
Of course it won't do anything - this is America, home of the dumb. We would rather just sit around and bitch more about the people who stand up to the criminals than to actually do something to stop or punish the criminals who keep fucking us.

Everyone in the US (and many people around the world) has been fucked by Wall Street securities firms, the banks, the multi-national corporations, and the US government, but we all foolishly believe our representatives, senators, governors, presidents, will actually do something to stop the madness. They won't. They are part of the problem.

Nothing will change until there is overwhelming pressure to do something, and it's about goddamn time someone started applying that pressure.

Originally Posted by - Warren Buffett
“There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning.”
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Eli said:
Are you saying that you don't think some things need to be changed?

We obviously can't continue down this path indefinitely. Something is going to break, as others have pointed out.

How is this any different than the uprisings in the Middle East, in principle? Would anyone in this thread argue that those weren't good things?

The government is supposed to work for the people. When that stops happening, its up to the people to rise up. That's exactly whats happening. Though I agree it will probably just die down.

It's all a progression. Maybe this small uprising won't have any effects, but the seeds are sown. Maybe in another 10 years something similar will happen, but with 10x as many people joining as more and more people disagree with the path we're going down. Shrug.
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See, I read this and am now confused again. Maybe you can come up with a concise list of changes that people seek. Since you've just equated the US Government, I mean.. Wall Street 😕 with being a repressive dictatorship.

Then you go on to say the Government should work for The People. So why are they protesting at Wall Street instead of marching on Washington DC?

These are lost kids with no goals and no clear aims with any of this other than they don't like things how they are and are stamping their feet and aren't even protesting the right people.
 
spidey07 said:
There's still a very small minority of communists in this country, no it will not turn into anything. These people are the fringe marxists and the rest of America knows exactly what they are.

Nothing more than a bunch of dirty, dirty hippies.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...g-photos-protester-defecating-POLICE-CAR.html
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I remember thinking about a small group of small government conservative nutjobs called the Tea Party a few years ago... and look how that came out.
 
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