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Do you think it's possible for us to be living in a matrix?

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The Matrix with us as "Coppertops"? I think not... that whole premise is pretty silly, even though it is one of my favorite movies.

But the other side of the coin .... the world that has been pulled over our eyes .... is real and alive today.

From a Christian perspective, Satan manipulates things and attempts to keep us from discovering the truth by distracting us with the material world. The Matrix was an inside out version of our world. In the Matrix, the "virtual" world was false but visual and the material was the truth and was hidden. In our world, the material world is only a shadow of the truth, but visual, while "spiritual" world is the truth but can't be seen.... even though it is all around you, it's there when you go to work, when you pay your taxes, when you go to church... unfortunatly, no one can tell you about the spiritual world, you have to believe it for yourself.

The Matrix was a good analogy for what's really happening on different levels.

Joe
 


<< Actually, within a couple of decades, we Humans will be capable of creating vast worlds inside a computer, populated by living beings.

A Matrix inside a Matrix inside a Matrix inside a Matrix inside a...

Confusing, eh? 🙂 >>




what he said 😀
 
I think that the matrix type world is possible, although highly unlikely. I do think that the matrix is a good analogy for the world as it is today, with the 'wool being pulled over your eyes' although, as opposed to christianity, I prefer to see it as a budhist parallel.
 


<< No, but I think we might be living in Marlon Brando's colon. >>



Is that what that smell is? I thought it was just the stench of all those "why do all the xxxx I fall for treat me like xxxx" threads.
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<< Actually, within a couple of decades, we Humans will be capable of creating vast worlds inside a computer, populated by living beings. >>

I'm pretty sure this will happen sooner than you think. There are three challenges here: creating photo-realistic graphics, gigantic worlds and realistic AI. A few weeks ago i read an article where a number of major game developers were asked when they think we will start seeing photo-realistic games. All agreed that photo-realism in gaming will be achieved in the next 5 to 7 years. We already have gigantic online worlds and realistic AI. So when will we see the first "world" simulation? Within the next decade. I don't think that the AI beings living in the simulation will think that they are alive though, but i know that they will act like it. >>


There are two kinds of AI: simulated AI and 'real' AI, the latter being equal or superior to biological neural networks.

The AI you're talking about is a mere simulation of intelligent behaviour. What I have in mind is something far more intriguing. Instead of a world like we use in games nowadays, it'll be similar to our world, perhaps even our universe, with tiny particles being governed by a set of fundamental 'laws' of physics. This universe would develop just like our universe (with some subtle differences, of course), with 'life' developing through biogenesis.

Actually, this would also be a good explanation for the formation of our universe 😉

A universe within a universe within a universe within a universe... and no one know which one is the real universe. IF there is one =)
 
Want proof?

Rub your eyes really hard and you will see a test pattern. (It's your visual systems reseting)
 


<< Want proof?

Rub your eyes really hard and you will see a test pattern. (It's your visual systems reseting) >>

ROFL
 
if we are... i hope the beings control the matrix are getting a kick out of watching me sit in front of the computer all day at work.... exciting!!!
 


<< The Maetryx

Seriously though, no way. Not the way it is in the movie. Think about the principle of the conservation of energy. They would spend more energy keeping us alive than they could harvest from us as "batteries". That part was really weak.

I suppose they could make up some kind of retrofit where they say that these creatures that control us can only live off our brain waves. >>




I don't think they would spend more energy keeping us alive. They recycled the dead back into nutrients, so that part is taken care of. Their dilemma is actually the population growth, you can only spread the resources so far until their isn't enough organic substance to raise more babies. Maybe that is why they were after the remaining human city (Zion?)

If you think about it, if humans scorched the skies to stop the AI, then that means they were already at war and losing, which means Industry was crushed, so by the time the AI decided how to keep itself alive the only source of energy to turn to would be the remaining humans, because our bodies already contain an enormous amount of usable energy. In order to sustain that energy, in other words, conserve it, they couldn't simply crush us into a pulp and produce methane to burn, they had to find a way to keep our minds stimulated in order to continue producing electromagnetic energy from our nervous systems.
 


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<< Actually, within a couple of decades, we Humans will be capable of creating vast worlds inside a computer, populated by living beings. >>

I'm pretty sure this will happen sooner than you think. There are three challenges here: creating photo-realistic graphics, gigantic worlds and realistic AI. A few weeks ago i read an article where a number of major game developers were asked when they think we will start seeing photo-realistic games. All agreed that photo-realism in gaming will be achieved in the next 5 to 7 years. We already have gigantic online worlds and realistic AI. So when will we see the first "world" simulation? Within the next decade. I don't think that the AI beings living in the simulation will think that they are alive though, but i know that they will act like it. >>


There are two kinds of AI: simulated AI and 'real' AI, the latter being equal or superior to biological neural networks.

The AI you're talking about is a mere simulation of intelligent behaviour. What I have in mind is something far more intriguing. Instead of a world like we use in games nowadays, it'll be similar to our world, perhaps even our universe, with tiny particles being governed by a set of fundamental 'laws' of physics. This universe would develop just like our universe (with some subtle differences, of course), with 'life' developing through biogenesis.

Actually, this would also be a good explanation for the formation of our universe 😉

A universe within a universe within a universe within a universe... and no one know which one is the real universe. IF there is one =) >>




This is an intriguing idea. We probably should start off with a 2 dimensional system. Our own system is at least 3 dimensional, but there is quite the possiblity we exist in a far more complex array of dimensions, because of the whole time/space wave issue.

We could simulate a periodic table, based on let's say about 100 different atoms, each with different interactions with the other, and simulating the forces that causes bonds. Then create a scatter pattern of a few googleplex of random atoms, including the simulation of gravity, speed up the time interval, and see what you come up with in a few weeks.

Of course it would be hard to track such a large scale of particles, so the program would have to track "novelty", so the programmer can pinpoint important parts of the universe and view it on the monitor.
 


<< This is an intriguing idea. We probably should start off with a 2 dimensional system. Our own system is at least 3 dimensional, but there is quite the possiblity we exist in a far more complex array of dimensions, because of the whole time/space wave issue. >>

Yes, like the 10-11 (or 26 😉 ) dimensions of (super)string theory.



<< We could simulate a periodic table, based on let's say about 100 different atoms, each with different interactions with the other, and simulating the forces that causes bonds. Then create a scatter pattern of a few googleplex of random atoms, including the simulation of gravity, speed up the time interval, and see what you come up with in a few weeks. >>

Well, I'm not quite certain whether it's really that simple, but yes, that's basically how it works.



<< Of course it would be hard to track such a large scale of particles, so the program would have to track "novelty", so the programmer can pinpoint important parts of the universe and view it on the monitor. >>

The main problem is that with a few zillion particles to track, one would need a computer by which the currently fastest supercomputer seems slower than a 8088-based PC 😛

That's why I said that it will take a couple of decades before it'll be possible. We'll need enough storage space (memory) and processing speed to make it successful.
 


<< i dunno, i was just watching this for like the tenth time and It got me thinking- Is it possible?
and what would you do if we were? >>


Just sit back and enjoy it. Even if some Laurence Fishburn-type voice calls me at work, I'm sitting back and enjoying my digitally-provided ignorant bliss.

If I'm "The One", we're all doomed. 😀
 
I think we're all part of some kid's highly advanced Sims game.



<< The main problem is that with a few zillion particles to track, one would need a computer by which the currently fastest supercomputer seems slower than a 8088-based PC 😛

That's why I said that it will take a couple of decades before it'll be possible. We'll need enough storage space (memory) and processing speed to make it successful. >>



Quantum computers have been in development for quite some time at IBM and other places.
 


<< Quantum computers have been in development for quite some time at IBM and other places. >>

We still don't know exactly what Quantum computers can be used for. Their functionality will likely be limited compared to our current computers.
 


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<< Quantum computers have been in development for quite some time at IBM and other places. >>

We still don't know exactly what Quantum computers can be used for. Their functionality will likely be limited compared to our current computers. >>




A quantum computer takes advantage of the Qubit, which is a represenation of an electron in three phase shifts. The electron sits within a "well", and can be in the well, just neutral of the well, or out of the well. Calculations based on this method of logic can result in instantaneous results, taking full advantage of the laws of physics. Last time I checked, a university was able to build a 4 qubit prototype.

It's going to be awhile before that get's used for anything too fancy...
 
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