Do you think it's fair?

[Captante]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: Captante
While I feel the OP would have been better off keeping his opinion to himself & after 15+ married years would never dream of saying somthing like this to my wife, I feel I must point out the flaw in reasoning here.

Why not? Shouldn't couples be open to each other? I feel as though people don't express what they truely think for fear of retaliation or being single(ed out) etc. While it isn't always appropriate to say what's on your mind at the time due to your thoughts possibly being influenced by environmental factors which could effect good judgement or how you normally feel etc. But for the most part, what I said during the conversation is what I've generally always believed and I don't think it was really influenced by anything unusual.

I guess it's a test really, if you can't handle a "heated" conversation with me or not take everything I say personally but more as a suggestion or the like, then it wasn't really meant to be anyways; better now than later I say..

You misunderstand me... I can handle anything she can dish out & further its not somthing we would really need to discuss anyway because we know each other so well at this point, its more a matter of "been there & done that" ... in other words I'm already aware theres no point in bringing it up unless all I want to do is have an argument.

 

[Jeraden]

There's one thing people are missing when they say that a $10 walmart purse would do just as well as a $350 one. Other women will KNOW she has a $10 walmart purse. While to you and me, we can't tell the difference between expensive ones and cheap ones, women know this stuff. I have a friend who is into Coach purses and has quite a few $300 purses. I constantly tease her about the amount of money she spends on them, but when we are out she's CONSTANTLY getting complimented on her purse. Other women know these things, its in their blood. So for her, it gives her some extra attention, makes her feel special that other people notice her good purse/fashion sense, etc. We value having our FPS's look good, they value having their wardrobe look good. We can play our games at 640x480 with all details turned off, but we don't want to. They can use a $30 walmart purse, but they don't want to either.

 

[monk3y]

I think it's one and the same.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

my take is you should stop bickering over retarded crap like this and direct your energy towards losing your virginity.

 

[SmoochyTX]

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
my take is you should stop bickering over retarded crap like this and direct your energy towards losing your virginity.

Don't say that! :Q

What if the condom breaks and he breeds successfully????

j/k

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Originally posted by: SmoochyTX

Originally posted by: IcebergSlim
my take is you should stop bickering over retarded crap like this and direct your energy towards losing your virginity.

Don't say that! :Q

What if the condom breaks and he breeds successfully????

j/k

your giving him too much credit assuming he would lose his virginity to a female.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: goku
I criticized my friend (female) that spending $350 on a bag/purse was absurd. She says that spending that much or more on computer equipment is absurd. She thinks it's a conflict of interest and that it's basically equal in the sense of self worth. I said that shes only spending that much money for a fashion statement that will expire in only a few years. Then mentioned that it was similar to me spending money on a computer for video gaming... hmm... Do you think it's the same? The way I look at it is computer hardware has a justified price and clothing and fashion crap doesn't.


Whats the consensus here?

it's a matter opinion. remember there are other opinions out there besides yours.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: Jeraden
There's one thing people are missing when they say that a $10 walmart purse would do just as well as a $350 one. Other women will KNOW she has a $10 walmart purse. While to you and me, we can't tell the difference between expensive ones and cheap ones, women know this stuff. I have a friend who is into Coach purses and has quite a few $300 purses. I constantly tease her about the amount of money she spends on them, but when we are out she's CONSTANTLY getting complimented on her purse. Other women know these things, its in their blood. So for her, it gives her some extra attention, makes her feel special that other people notice her good purse/fashion sense, etc. We value having our FPS's look good, they value having their wardrobe look good. We can play our games at 640x480 with all details turned off, but we don't want to. They can use a $30 walmart purse, but they don't want to either.

You get a lot more out of an expensive video card than you do a purse, I don't see how you can spin it any other way. Spending that much money just so people can compliment you is pretty stupid and wasteful, the only time that could be as rewarding as getting a newer video card and playing a good game on it is if she is extremely vain person and needs a bag in order to feel like shes worth anything. All I can say is that a $350 bag will draw unwanted attention much like a new expensive gadget does, sure the gadget may be cool but if everyone knows it's expensive, you've got to ask your self why do you really have it?

A bag is basically in the realm of getting a ring, you can either spend a fairly reasonable amount or you can just go all out and spend an exorbitant amount of money for a fairly small gain in stature and quite possibly gain a negative effect due to jeallousy, again something that they may like (I see as negative).

The same thing can be applied to video cards as well, there is reasonable, cutting edge and then there is "I need attention so bad that I spent well over $1000 on my video cards" You get dimenishing returns the more ridiculous the price gets and you start to draw unwanted and possibly negative attention due to this, same with a bag, same with a ring.

In my opinion, the cut off for a bag should be at around $100, anything else unless it has extended functionality is just asking for trouble.

What do you think?

 

[BrownTown]

I think its funny that so many people can't see the fact that both these are pretty much the exact same, we should probably go to some big clothing forum (if they even have them?) and start this same thread and see how all of them can't understand how you could want the 350$ graphics cards. The fact is that only people who really care about computer games and graphics will see the utility in spending so much on a graphics card when a much cheaper one will do. The same is true for fashion, only people who are really into fashion will notice the difference between the cheap purse and the expensive one.

Personally I think someone is insanse to spend 350$ on EITHER a purse or a graphics card, but if thats what makes you happy then more power to you.

 

[erub]

How about this..regardless of future utility/enjoyment derived:

I applaud both of you for spending $300+ on an item (in many countries that could represent a month or even a year worth of work). And the greatest part is, neither of these items are necessities. Thanks for keeping our economy growing. Mr. Dow Jones applauds, and so does Uncle Sam - thanks for the sales tax revenue!

Also, I think its great that now you will have to keep working to refuel the bank account, generating more federal income tax and social security monies..good for all of us!

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
I'm surprised no one has quoted Fight Club yet. "The things you own, end up owning you."

goku seems to be influenced by the Tyler Durden school of thought. He's thinking of things in a utilitarian sense. A $350 video card is nothing for the sheer amount of entertainment it can provide you for a whole year. $350 is what, two fancy dinners or what a night at a high-profile nightclub costs? Compare that with the (potentially) hundreds of hours of entertainment a gamer can derive from a few good games. We have all heard the stories of CS/Quake/Oblivion/WoW addicts - compared to other hobbies/interests, gaming is pretty cheap.

Of course, different people have different views on what is a reasonable expense and what isn't. Everyone here is hating on goku because he's...goku.

For instance, we all know and love the SoundMan. Now imagine he made a thread on his girlfriend having an argument with him over spending $400 on a pair of Axiom M22s when he could have got cooler/better-looking/more fashionable Bose speakers. Maybe his girlfriend thinks silver, cool-looking cube speakers that complement the decor are more important than what she perceives as 'the marginally better sound that the Axioms provide'. We would all point the finger at the gf because more of us here care for good speakers than goku's ideas

Sorry to drag your name in this ill-conceived analogy but I hope you understand, YoYoYoHowsDaJello

Don't hate on goku just because he's goku. I mean, he's still a kid. I'm sure he can appreciate an expensive coat/suit/dress...it's just expensive handbags/scarves/accessories that make little to no sense to flannel-and-Dr. Martens-wearing Joe-Regular guys.

Goku, for someone whose idea of fun is club-hopping (where your fashion sense decides if the bouncer lets you in or not), don't argue there. But yeah, I've seen some pretty out-of-shape and not-the-least-bit-attractive women shop for some really expensive stuff at designer stores. It makes you wonder, "Does she really think those snakeskin boots are going to add 6 points on her 1-10 scale?" There are episodes of Oprah dedicated to shoppers like those. Any chance this is what this thread was about?

But the M22s are for my parents :laugh:

I didn't pay $400 either
M22s + VP150 + stands + Onix ULW-10 + Onkyo 602 + cables = $750

Oh, and the quote should be

"The threads goku makes end up owning him."

 

[purbeast0]

dude you are wrong and she is right. i have this conversation almost daily with my GF, and she likes purses a lot more expensive than $300.

she can't understand why I needed to get an xbox360 and a wii, when they essentially both are used to play games. i explain to her my reasons and then she explains me her reasons for a purse, and you know what the last line she always says to me is?

"You just don't get it ..."

and she's damn right. but at the same time, she just doesn't get why I spend all this money on consoles or a $3K TV when nothing was wrong w/the 27" TV it was replacing.

it's just because we both have different interests and nothing more. leave it at that.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: BrownTown
I think its funny that so many people can't see the fact that both these are pretty much the exact same, we should probably go to some big clothing forum (if they even have them?) and start this same thread and see how all of them can't understand how you could want the 350$ graphics cards. The fact is that only people who really care about computer games and graphics will see the utility in spending so much on a graphics card when a much cheaper one will do. The same is true for fashion, only people who are really into fashion will notice the difference between the cheap purse and the expensive one.

Personally I think someone is insanse to spend 350$ on EITHER a purse or a graphics card, but if thats what makes you happy then more power to you.

I think it's funny you don't see that in reality, these people are paying a premium for nothing, much like the idiots that choose to purchase bose products. If there was a discernable level of quality betweent the $100 bag and the $350 bag and that bag wasn't so damned ugly, I wouldn't be having this arguement, trust me, I wouldn't. To be honest, I don't believe there is a difference, there is however between a $300 video card and a $600 video card, but the difference between the two cards isn't going to prevent you from playing a particular game much like the difference between a $100 bag and a $350 bag.

However, the difference between an integrated video card and a $300 video card will basically say what you can play and what you can't play, for the $10 walmart bag and the $100 bag, all I can say is quality, possibly capacity.. You can get a decent looking bag for a $100, but spending $350 much like spending $600 for a video card is just looking for attention, thats all.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: purbeast0
dude you are wrong and she is right. i have this conversation almost daily with my GF, and she likes purses a lot more expensive than $300.

she can't understand why I needed to get an xbox360 and a wii, when they essentially both are used to play games. i explain to her my reasons and then she explains me her reasons for a purse, and you know what the last line she always says to me is?

"You just don't get it ..."

So, what WAS her reasoning? You can't get a manual or brochure for a purse, or get a lengthy LOGICAL explanation as to why she needs to spend so much on the damn purse, you can however do that with a video card or gaming console. The problem with your girlfriend is that like other women (assuming she is using the reason "just because") is that she is irrational and or doesn't want to admit the real reason why she is getting that stupid bag.

Logic + people like her don't go together. Again, I'm assuming her arguement were along the lines "because, or it's cute"....

 

[dethman]

does anyone else find hilarity in how much of a moron this guy is?

 

[glutenberg]

So, I assume most ATOT posters usually wear plastic bags or potato sacks for clothing? How about just a couple of fig leaves? I mean, if we're all about functionality here, those do just fine.

You want to be at the top of your game in the social world, you buy expensive clothings to fit in with other people with rich tastes. You want to be at the top of the gaming and computing world, you get a better computer. You reap the rewards of higher fps, she reaps the reward of attention and possible social encounters.

 

[marulee]

Depends on One's perspective, sense of value on their interest should be different, like you mentioned above about the difference on self worth. Specially 'we' who spends hours on the computer or its peripherals, we put more values on the stuffs which we spent most of our time. Indeed..

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: purbeast0
dude you are wrong and she is right. i have this conversation almost daily with my GF, and she likes purses a lot more expensive than $300.

she can't understand why I needed to get an xbox360 and a wii, when they essentially both are used to play games. i explain to her my reasons and then she explains me her reasons for a purse, and you know what the last line she always says to me is?

"You just don't get it ..."

So, what WAS her reasoning? You can't get a manual or brochure for a purse, or get a lengthy LOGICAL explanation as to why she needs to spend so much on the damn purse, you can however do that with a video card or gaming console. The problem with your girlfriend is that like other women (assuming she is using the reason "just because") is that she is irrational and or doesn't want to admit the real reason why she is getting that stupid bag.

Logic + people like her don't go together. Again, I'm assuming her arguement were along the lines "because, or it's cute"....

you of all people should now realize why they want a $300 purse because you are just like a fvcking woman - no matter how many times we tell you stuff, you just don't get it.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: dethman
does anyone else find hilarity in how much of a moron this guy is?

I think everyone knows the OP is an idiot.

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: goku
I think it's funny you don't see that in reality, these people are paying a premium for nothing, much like the idiots that choose to purchase bose products. If there was a discernable level of quality betweent the $100 bag and the $350 bag and that bag wasn't so damned ugly, I wouldn't be having this arguement, trust me, I wouldn't. To be honest, I don't believe there is a difference, there is however between a $300 video card and a $600 video card, but the difference between the two cards isn't going to prevent you from playing a particular game much like the difference between a $100 bag and a $350 bag.

However, the difference between an integrated video card and a $300 video card will basically say what you can play and what you can't play, for the $10 walmart bag and the $100 bag, all I can say is quality, possibly capacity.. You can get a decent looking bag for a $100, but spending $350 much like spending $600 for a video card is just looking for attention, thats all.

Out of curiosity, how many purses have you owned in your lifetime?

I ask, only because your entire argument revolves around the notion that a $10 bag from Target serves the same purpose as a $350 designer bag. Well, you are definitely mistaken.

I used to think like you did until I actually bought my girlfriend an expensive bag for Christmas one year. It was actually a bit more than $350. Anyway, she wanted it and I got it for her, no big deal. She used that thing damn near every day, and took it with her just about everywhere. She beat the crap out of it, and now, maybe 3 years later, it's still around.

While I agree there is a bit of overhead, the price difference is not just for a name - you are paying for quality. If I got her a bag from Target, aside from her thinking I was a cheap bastard, it would have been torn up in a month (I have seen this happen first hand - the strap breaks, the zipper falls off, a pen pokes a hole through it).

So while I am a guy, and I, too, buy video cards and TVs and other expensive gadgets, I understand and can appreciate a quality bag. Now, it's the girls who have 4 or 5 of them and throw them out at the end of the season who bother me.

:beer:

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: purbeast0
dude you are wrong and she is right. i have this conversation almost daily with my GF, and she likes purses a lot more expensive than $300.

she can't understand why I needed to get an xbox360 and a wii, when they essentially both are used to play games. i explain to her my reasons and then she explains me her reasons for a purse, and you know what the last line she always says to me is?

"You just don't get it ..."

So, what WAS her reasoning? You can't get a manual or brochure for a purse, or get a lengthy LOGICAL explanation as to why she needs to spend so much on the damn purse, you can however do that with a video card or gaming console. The problem with your girlfriend is that like other women (assuming she is using the reason "just because") is that she is irrational and or doesn't want to admit the real reason why she is getting that stupid bag.

Logic + people like her don't go together. Again, I'm assuming her arguement were along the lines "because, or it's cute"....

you of all people should now realize why they want a $300 purse because you are just like a fvcking woman - no matter how many times we tell you stuff, you just don't get it.

I think YOU guys just don't get it. Something are really just a 'you just don't understand'.

A valid example is, why do people do get off on BDSM, that can get a 'you just don't understand', you can't really explain and put into words why people get off on that or why an individual gets off on that. If I were to ask one of these people, why does it make you feel good, they'd say 'it just does, you just don't understand, blah blah blah'.

Now, if you ask a woman why she is spending so much damn money on that purse, an answer of 'because it's pretty, or because it's high quality (bullshit unless she can prove) or 'you just don't understand' are NOT valid excuses what so ever.

Now if you ask a nerd why they got an expensive video card, it's the same story all over again.

One can and should be able to, in words, with logic and with actual documentation (facts etc.) say why they bought something so when you get the answer 'because...', it's an inherently flawed answer and seems like shes really saying 'well because I have uncontrollable spending habits'.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
She's into fashion. You are into computers.

You both spend money on things which interest you.

Where's the problem?

exactly!

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: purbeast0

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: purbeast0
dude you are wrong and she is right. i have this conversation almost daily with my GF, and she likes purses a lot more expensive than $300.

she can't understand why I needed to get an xbox360 and a wii, when they essentially both are used to play games. i explain to her my reasons and then she explains me her reasons for a purse, and you know what the last line she always says to me is?

"You just don't get it ..."

So, what WAS her reasoning? You can't get a manual or brochure for a purse, or get a lengthy LOGICAL explanation as to why she needs to spend so much on the damn purse, you can however do that with a video card or gaming console. The problem with your girlfriend is that like other women (assuming she is using the reason "just because") is that she is irrational and or doesn't want to admit the real reason why she is getting that stupid bag.

Logic + people like her don't go together. Again, I'm assuming her arguement were along the lines "because, or it's cute"....

you of all people should now realize why they want a $300 purse because you are just like a fvcking woman - no matter how many times we tell you stuff, you just don't get it.

I think YOU guys just don't get it. Something are really just a 'you just don't understand'.

Yes no shlt, I stated that in my first reply to this thread. i said i don't understand exactly why she needs it, but i can understand the fact that we are both into different shlt and buy what we get enjoyment out of.

same thing goes for when you go to bars. i work between DC and Baltimore, and I live closer to baltimore, whlie most of my co-workers live closer to baltimore or in baltimore. when they go out for a night on the town they typically spend $40-$50 for their GF and themselves. when I went out this past saturday I spent like $130 total for my GF and I.

To some of my co-workers that is absurd, but to me, it's just another night out on the town. just get it into your thick head that people are into different stuff and value things differently.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: goku
I think it's funny you don't see that in reality, these people are paying a premium for nothing, much like the idiots that choose to purchase bose products. If there was a discernable level of quality betweent the $100 bag and the $350 bag and that bag wasn't so damned ugly, I wouldn't be having this arguement, trust me, I wouldn't. To be honest, I don't believe there is a difference, there is however between a $300 video card and a $600 video card, but the difference between the two cards isn't going to prevent you from playing a particular game much like the difference between a $100 bag and a $350 bag.

However, the difference between an integrated video card and a $300 video card will basically say what you can play and what you can't play, for the $10 walmart bag and the $100 bag, all I can say is quality, possibly capacity.. You can get a decent looking bag for a $100, but spending $350 much like spending $600 for a video card is just looking for attention, thats all.

Out of curiosity, how many purses have you owned in your lifetime?

I ask, only because your entire argument revolves around the notion that a $10 bag from Target serves the same purpose as a $350 designer bag. Well, you are definitely mistaken.

I used to think like you did until I actually bought my girlfriend an expensive bag for Christmas one year. It was actually a bit more than $350. Anyway, she wanted it and I got it for her, no big deal. She used that thing damn near every day, and took it with her just about everywhere. She beat the crap out of it, and now, maybe 3 years later, it's still around.

While I agree there is a bit of overhead, the price difference is not just for a name - you are paying for quality. If I got her a bag from Target, aside from her thinking I was a cheap bastard, it would have been torn up in a month (I have seen this happen first hand - the strap breaks, the zipper falls off, a pen pokes a hole through it).

So while I am a guy, and I, too, buy video cards and TVs and other expensive gadgets, I understand and can appreciate a quality bag. Now, it's the girls who have 4 or 5 of them and throw them out at the end of the season who bother me.

:beer:

I understand, you SHOULD be paying for a quality difference, but the quality difference between a $100 bag and a $300 bag should be miniscule or even negative (worse quality). I didn't say she needs only a $10 bag, there needs to be compromise, not everything is black and white just like I don't expect people to buy THE CHEAPEST CAR ON THE MARKET, but there is a certain point where 'enough is enough'.

Oh and BTW, 3 years isn't very long for a purse, tell that to my mom who had her purse for little over 10 years before deciding it was time for another one, and her purse wasn't a cheap $10 purse nor was it a designer $350 purse..

 

[oznerol]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: ducci

Originally posted by: goku
I think it's funny you don't see that in reality, these people are paying a premium for nothing, much like the idiots that choose to purchase bose products. If there was a discernable level of quality betweent the $100 bag and the $350 bag and that bag wasn't so damned ugly, I wouldn't be having this arguement, trust me, I wouldn't. To be honest, I don't believe there is a difference, there is however between a $300 video card and a $600 video card, but the difference between the two cards isn't going to prevent you from playing a particular game much like the difference between a $100 bag and a $350 bag.

However, the difference between an integrated video card and a $300 video card will basically say what you can play and what you can't play, for the $10 walmart bag and the $100 bag, all I can say is quality, possibly capacity.. You can get a decent looking bag for a $100, but spending $350 much like spending $600 for a video card is just looking for attention, thats all.

Out of curiosity, how many purses have you owned in your lifetime?

I ask, only because your entire argument revolves around the notion that a $10 bag from Target serves the same purpose as a $350 designer bag. Well, you are definitely mistaken.

I used to think like you did until I actually bought my girlfriend an expensive bag for Christmas one year. It was actually a bit more than $350. Anyway, she wanted it and I got it for her, no big deal. She used that thing damn near every day, and took it with her just about everywhere. She beat the crap out of it, and now, maybe 3 years later, it's still around.

While I agree there is a bit of overhead, the price difference is not just for a name - you are paying for quality. If I got her a bag from Target, aside from her thinking I was a cheap bastard, it would have been torn up in a month (I have seen this happen first hand - the strap breaks, the zipper falls off, a pen pokes a hole through it).

So while I am a guy, and I, too, buy video cards and TVs and other expensive gadgets, I understand and can appreciate a quality bag. Now, it's the girls who have 4 or 5 of them and throw them out at the end of the season who bother me.

:beer:

I understand, you SHOULD be paying for a quality difference, but the quality difference between a $100 bag and a $300 bag should be miniscule or even negative (worse quality). I didn't say she needs only a $10 bag, there needs to be compromise, not everything is black and white just like I don't expect people to buy THE CHEAPEST CAR ON THE MARKET, but there is a certain point where 'enough is enough'.

Oh and BTW, 3 years isn't very long for a purse, tell that to my mom who had her purse for little over 10 years before deciding it was time for another one, and her purse wasn't a cheap $10 purse nor was it a designer $350 purse..

I don't see where you are getting your facts from - "the quality difference between a $100 bag and a $300 bag should be miniscule or even negative (worse quality)." That doesn't even make sense. Should be?

I wonder, if you bought a $350 video card today, how much would it be worth in 3 years? Would it be able to play all the new games and all of that nonsense?

Now what about a bag? If maintained it can do the exact same job it the day you bought it years down the line. I would say that it is a far better investment than a video card - both in the long term and short term (my girlfriend got far more use out of the bag than I ever did on a video card).

All of that aside, they are all just luxuries. If you have the money to spend, then you spend it on what you want.