Do you think Europe's problems with Muslims will be America's one day?

[soulcougher73]

If we continue to allow the new radicalized version of Islam into our country than sure. Hopefully we are smart enough someday to stop it. Moderate Islam IMO is not a thing in the middle east anymore. The ones we consider moderate left long ago before Islam was hijacked. The 30 and younger crowd, the only Islam they know is the hijacked radical version. That is my educated take on it

 

[Ventanni]

The answer is this will happen if, not this will happen, and allow me to explain.

American culture is more assimilating and accepting than most European cultures, which are more homogenous. It's how this country was founded, and we have an extremely rich diversity of culture here. Contrary to popular belief, Islam is on the decline in the United States. Most Muslims who land here give up there old ways within 5 years, and by third (sometimes by the 2nd) generation you have completely assimilated Syrians, Afghans, Iraqis, etc who look, act, and behave just like your everyday Americans.

So where's the if here.

IF the United States fails to embrace new culture, then radical Islam will take root. If a culture is rejected, then they will not form an identity with the nation they live in, and if they do not find identity they live in, then they will find identity with something else, and that something else is typically not good. Ask yourself, why do so many European Muslims hightail it to Syrian to fight for ISIS? Why do so many Saudis travel to Syria to fight ISIS? What makes people pack their bags where they're at, pay large amounts of money to travel with the incredible effort involved, and settle roots in a foreign land and fight for a hopeless cause? It's not very logical, but it happens because they have no roots where they're at.

So the final answer is, if the United States fails to embrace and assimilate new cultures like it always has, then yes, you will see radical Islam on the rise here in America. If the United States embraces and accepts Muslims fleeing from the war of the Middle East, then they will assimilate themselves into our culture and be great citizens.

Don't build walls, build bridges.

 

[Orignal Earl]

If the policies of the left continue, yes. Previous immigration waves were of a different nature, the educated classes were imported from Iran for instance.
The current refugees are closer to what europe has to deal with, far harder to assimilate, and in numbers which ensure they won't if continued.

Islam is incompatible with western democratic civilization, its simply a matter of numbers before the problem wakes from dormancy when the population reaches a critical mass.

And yes, even in Dearborn Michigan...

Muslims Stoning Christians in Dearborn, Michigan
American Freedom Law Center
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBaTVwIJH-E


Terror in Germany: The Truth They Hide
Paul Joseph Watson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avavZKtf6-g

What's your opinion on those convert or die Christians in the video?

 

[bshole]

So the final answer is, if the United States fails to embrace and assimilate new cultures like it always has, then yes, you will see radical Islam on the rise here in America. If the United States embraces and accepts Muslims fleeing from the war of the Middle East, then they will assimilate themselves into our culture and be great citizens.

Don't build walls, build bridges.

So can you explain why more than 50% of the terror attacks in America come from the less than 1% of the population that is Muslim (specifically 1st of 2nd generation Muslims)? This problem appears extremely localized to relatively recent Muslim immigrants or their children.

 

[SSSnail]

O rly: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/nogozones.asp

rly https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones

 

[0roo0roo]

What's your opinion on those convert or die Christians in the video?

To put it simply, I'd have to wonder if I'd get banned if I posted the equivalent of mohammed just on this forum alone, never mind anything else.

On american naivety and cowardice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlb5EllVIDM

 

[brycejones]

To put it simply, I'd have to wonder if I'd get banned if I posted the equivalent of mohammed just on this forum alone, never mind anything else.

On american naivety and cowardice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlb5EllVIDM

Then you need to pull your head out of your ass. One frequent poster here has a Mohammad image for his avatar he hasn't been banned.

 

[Indus]

So can you explain why more than 50% of the terror attacks in America come from the less than 1% of the population that is Muslim (specifically 1st of 2nd generation Muslims)? This problem appears extremely localized to relatively recent Muslim immigrants or their children.

Nice try there bud.

Lets list # of people killed due to muslim immigrant children in the US vs other murders.

Total right wing media hype to make a mountain out of a much smaller problem (I won't ignore it and say it's a mole hill but its certainly not huge).

That said kids go to school and are bullied and called terrorists. How long till you think they snap and want to get back at others due to all the microaggressions of society wanting to label them terrorists? And the only solice they find is usually in mosques where they're brainwashed into jihad all for a little respect and a meal.

Seriously things are complicated and require more than I just saw this on TV so it must be true.

 

[dullard]

1) There aren't no-go zones. Certainly not like you have described them.

2) The terrorist problem isn't Muslims (look at the Irish Protestants vs Catholics bombings for 30+ years). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

3) The problem is demoralized people, usually without many jobs or hope, segregated into groups where it festers, wanting power and having none. It could have an ethnic twist, a religious twist (here is where the Muslim extremists come into play), a nationalistic twist (also related to the Muslim extremists), etc. But in the end, there are groups of devalued people who eventually act out in terrorism.

Yes, that can happen in the US. And many may argue that it has happened here. It'll be more likely to happen as long as people keep their blinders on thinking it is only an extremist Muslim problem. In fact, segregating out and demoralizing a group (such as Muslims) will only make the problem worse.

 

[SSSnail]

I see you guys keep saying things like demoralized, segregation, ethnic discrimination, religious persecution, etc...

I can't recall the last time I read or heard about a Vietnamese Buddhist blowing people up because someone made fun of Buddha... How about Chinese? Japanese? Indian? et al...

 

[agent00f]

So can you explain why more than 50% of the terror attacks in America come from the less than 1% of the population that is Muslim (specifically 1st of 2nd generation Muslims)? This problem appears extremely localized to relatively recent Muslim immigrants or their children.

Hispanics don't target white Americans for political reasons. Most Hispanic crime in the USA is attributable to lower socioeconomic status and the war on drugs fueling gangs.

Not sure where I said that ending colonialism was a mistake, nor anything about race-mixing at all. I'm just saying that you don't bring people to your nation from a country that hates you, because it's suicide and hurts both sides.

According to the FBI's own stats, the highest ethnic count of terror attacks in the US since the 80's belong to hispanics:

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005#terror_05sum, and y'all don't need me to to tell you they are a minority along with most of the groups on that list. Though despite this factual reality I doubt this forum is going to switch their new terrorist label allegiance to Latinos.

Also to the burgerboy I've mentioned previously that refugees from regions the west has just bombed might hold a grudge. I'm not surprised you can't see the imperial roots of this, such is the way of things.

 

[agent00f]

rly https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5128/france-no-go-zones

Let me put it as briefly as possible just how dumb this kind of source is.

Exhibit A:

"The American cable television channel Fox News has also issued at least four apologies for referring to Muslim no-go zones in Europe, after one commentator erroneously claimed that the entire city of Birmingham, England, was Muslim. Had he simply said that "parts" of Birmingham are Muslim, he would have been correct. Despite such politically correct denials, Muslim no-go zones are a well-known fact of life in many parts of Europe."

Exhibit B (like 2 paragraphs latter):

"Europe 1, one of the leading broadcasters in France, has referred to Marseille as a "no-go zone" after the government was forced to deploy riot police, known as CRS, to confront warring Muslim gangs in the city. "

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It's simply a fact you're not great at putting 2 and 2 together so let's walk through this. First, it's pretty obvious the author has never actually been to europe or ever read anything about it for that matter, so this is just like those people who've never taken physics argue about climate.

Second, in A he apologizes for his peers in this regard, as if meeting someone who has no fucking clue in the middle is a sound basis for analysis.

Third, and this is the most egregious bit in a crime-spree against logic, he goes right on to make the exact same error he was just apologizing for. Clearly he thinks of "Marseille" in the same way that Fox retard thinks of "Birmingham".

Another error in the same sentence is not surprisingly the same one you continue to make in not reading (or comprehending) the link provided that explains what "no-go zone" actually refers to in france instead of the mistranslation by people with nonexistent language skills.

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In conclusion, these are among the dumbest shits on the planet who've managed to convince themselves that they're onto some conspiracy. There's generally no hope for them due to the nature of dumbshittery.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Maybe to some extent but we're the best in the world at assimilating people.

 

[umbrella39]

You're basically talking about Dearbornistan. Every city has areas that have 'never alone' protocols in place.

You are full of shit. Go talk out your ass some more... This is why the terrorists have already won. Morons like you.

 

[umbrella39]

What's your opinion on those convert or die Christians in the video?

This festival was held in Dearborn every year peacefully until these false Christian instigators showed up inciting violence which they got and gave back. Both Muslims and Christians alike were involved I watched it first hand. Still, no sharia, zero 'no go' zone, nothing, just more FUD peddling by people who have never been to Dearborn. As stated, they've been here since the late 1880's and of course, they are just insidiously biding them time before teh sharizzzaaaa...

 

[Orignal Earl]

To put it simply, I'd have to wonder if I'd get banned if I posted the equivalent of mohammed just on this forum alone, never mind anything else.

On american naivety and cowardice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlb5EllVIDM

Do you take any medication for depression or such?

 

[Orignal Earl]

This festival was held in Dearborn every year peacefully until these false Christian instigators showed up inciting violence which they got and gave back. Both Muslims and Christians alike were involved I watched it first hand. Still, no sharia, zero 'no go' zone, nothing, just more FUD peddling by people who have never been to Dearborn. As stated, they've been here since the late 1880's and of course, they are just insidiously biding them time before teh sharizzzaaaa...

Ya, that's why there is lot's of people throwing trash at the street preachers, just not Muslims

 

[JSt0rm]

the most amazing thing about america is after 1 generation we generate new americans. Now. Will we be xenophobic towards these americans? Hostile? Will we shun them? Then we will reap what we sow.

 

[agent00f]

the most amazing thing about america is after 1 generation we generate new americans. Now. Will we be xenophobic towards these americans? Hostile? Will we shun them? Then we will reap what we sow.

People have been telling the blacks to go back to africa for quite a while.

 

[Triloby]

I'm not exactly justifying the actions as much as I'm saying that they're a natural reaction that you can find in many heterogeneous populations. However, it is a fact that Muslim citizens of France (not just refugees) suffer from unemployment and other things at a higher proportion relative to native French, and it's easy to invent ideas of discrimination even where it doesn't exist. Until France either promotes a strong national identity inclusive of minority groups already within its borders, fixes their economy, or kicks out ethnic Algerians and Tunisians, these problems will continue to exist, because tribalism is a base element of the human psyche. (I personally would prefer it if they tried cutting back on socialist fat and became more economically productive if they try only one of the three.)

Europe was never really known for being a multi-cultural haven to begin with; at least compared to America. Their history speaks in volumes about how overly nationalistic, or full of tribalism their people were even before the Middle Ages happened. Ignoring all of Europe's ancient bloodshed, I don't see how France can convince their Muslim citizens to become a part of France's national identity, when those citizens cannot are unwilling to accept western laws, ethics, and culture. The clash between both western and Islamic cultures is too severe for most European countries to handle.

Hell, the only reason why Muslims aren't going out in full rampage out here in America is because we take the whole concept of immigrants adapting to American law and order much more seriously than Europe does. Why else do you think so many Americans make a big deal about "adapting to our way of life here" for all kinds of immigrants involved?

 

[0roo0roo]

Then you need to pull your head out of your ass. One frequent poster here has a Mohammad image for his avatar he hasn't been banned.

I got hit for "reposting" blm hate speech in an image.

So...lets not pretend it may not be an issue.

 

[brycejones]

I got hit for "reposting" blm hate speech in an image.

So...lets not pretend it may not be an issue.

Well the facts are already evident so you can keep pretending your are being oppressed here in the specific example you gave earlier or not. I don't care.

 

[0roo0roo]

Well the facts are already evident so you can keep pretending your are being oppressed here in the specific example you gave earlier or not. I don't care.

Never said I was oppressed, these are the rules and the trends.

 

[brycejones]

Never said I was oppressed, these are the rules and the trends.

Sure, ok......

 

[agent00f]

Europe was never really known for being a multi-cultural haven to begin with; at least compared to America. Their history speaks in volumes about how overly nationalistic, or full of tribalism their people were even before the Middle Ages happened. Ignoring all of Europe's ancient bloodshed, I don't see how France can convince their Muslim citizens to become a part of France's national identity, when those citizens cannot are unwilling to accept western laws, ethics, and culture. The clash between both western and Islamic cultures is too severe for most European countries to handle.

Hell, the only reason why Muslims aren't going out in full rampage out here in America is because we take the whole concept of immigrants adapting to American law and order much more seriously than Europe does. Why else do you think so many Americans make a big deal about "adapting to our way of life here" for all kinds of immigrants involved?

Have you also considered the possibility that the vast majority of muslims might not be blood thirsty jihadis like westerners which you rightly point out?

There's a rather odd perception in the west that slum-dwellers wouldn't prefer the middle class first world lifestyle if given the opportunity.