Do you think Europe's problems with Muslims will be America's one day?

SSSnail

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The specific problems I'm referencing are the so called "no-go" predominantly Muslim neighborhoods, where law enforcement can't enforce the law due to safety reasons? These neighborhoods are ran under Sharia laws, and are enforced by the extremists that imposed those laws.

It's happening more and more in Europe, more so France, and these extremists are more brazen by the day.

Do you think there will be a day when the same thing that's happening in Europe will be a reality in the US?
 

agent00f

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These zones already exist in the US, except instead of populated by muslims american slums are predominately black.

The same sorts of people feel about the same regarding both.
 
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We can preempt the problem by not letting muslim immigrants into the country. As the old saying goes, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Some people are convinced that we're somehow obligated or better off if we bring them in by the tens or hundreds of thousands, though.
 
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SSSnail

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These zones already exist in the US, except instead of populated by muslims american slums are predominately black.

The same sorts of people feel about the same regarding both.
There are street laws, but the hoodlums are still fearful of the popo, regardless of whatever your rap songs tell you.
 

SSSnail

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The same applies here regardless of whatever right wing news tell you.
There you go with the assumption, again. I get my news from neither the right nor left, straight down the middle is how I roll.

The Muslim zones are a real thing, and they are problematic. How about addressing the issue?
 

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I propose all of America should be nut free zone. Not only they cause allergies, but as the current political climate shows, they are highly contagious as well.
 

agent00f

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Sure, just like I said; eg often the result of redlining in the US and presumably similar measures elsewhere.

This is like some kind of performance theater where you don't read the informative link; and from literally the first paragraphs of you own link I clicked on:

"Most Belgians were stunned to hear that police had raided addresses in Brussels and arrested suspects, less than 24 hours after the Paris attacks.

However, few were surprised to hear that the swoops took place in Molenbeek, a run-down east Brussels commune that has long been a magnet for jihadists, gangs, drugs and lawlessness.

It was at Molenbeek’s Osseghem station that police arrived in force, with a phalanx of cars, backed by the bomb squad, sniffer dogs, and the national gas company. For Anas, a 13-year-old, it was a spectacular sight. “They pulled out their sub-machine guns, surrounded this one man and took him in. It was like watching a film,” he said. "

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There are street laws, but the hoodlums are still fearful of the popo, regardless of whatever your rap songs tell you.

To complete the trifecta, you only need to to whine about apologists for minorities.
 

Jaskalas

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Sure, just like I said; eg often the result of redlining in the US and presumably similar measures elsewhere.

This is like some kind of performance theater where you don't read the informative link; and from literally the first paragraphs of you own link I clicked on:

"Most Belgians were stunned to hear that police had raided addresses in Brussels and arrested suspects, less than 24 hours after the Paris attacks.

However, few were surprised to hear that the swoops took place in Molenbeek, a run-down east Brussels commune that has long been a magnet for jihadists, gangs, drugs and lawlessness.

It was at Molenbeek’s Osseghem station that police arrived in force, with a phalanx of cars, backed by the bomb squad, sniffer dogs, and the national gas company. For Anas, a 13-year-old, it was a spectacular sight. “They pulled out their sub-machine guns, surrounded this one man and took him in. It was like watching a film,” he said. "

Is there a reason you quoted that?
 

agent00f

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Redlining against Muslims in Europe, the reason for terrorism there, lmao.

The muslim population in france is due in large part to import of cheap labor. I imagine if there were a thread here every time some black person killed whitey the same suspects would similarly declare some sort of "culture" war, but for various reasons the same attitude towards blacks is socially stigmatized in this country.


Is there a reason you quoted that?

Yes, in relation to the quote just below it.
 

umbrella39

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Nope. As someone living in Dearborn my entire life I can say that with confidence. They've been here for over 100 years and no sharia, zero "no go" zones, nothing. These questions are usually asked by people who have prejudices who dont know any Muslims in their real lives which I guess is understandable when all you know of them is what you see on TV. They are crazy patriotic, fly the American flags on their porches, and celebrate the 4th deep into the night lighting off fireworks long after they should have stopped. They fight and honorably serve alongside other Americans in all the branches of the service and when the come back home go to school to be engineers, doctors, police and firemen. The FUD is just that... FUD. Most of the females have become completely Americanized dropping their traditional dress and wear jean shorts, sleeveless shirts, and footflops. They run successful businesses, go to church, and love theit families, friends, and neighbors. Face it, they are Americans and damn proud of it.
 

umbrella39

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We can preempt the problem by not letting muslim immigrants into the country. As the old saying goes, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Some people are convinced that we're somehow obligated or better off if we bring them in by the tens or hundreds of thousands, though.

Nice to see we can always count on you to resurrect this alt account every time the chance presents to be fear mongering FUD peddler...
 

HamburgerBoy

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The muslim population in france is due in large part to import of cheap labor. I imagine if there were a thread here every time some black person killed whitey the same suspects would similarly declare some sort of "culture" war, but for various reasons the same attitude towards blacks is socially stigmatized in this country.

Sounds like the solution is to stop immigration from third-world nations to exploit for cheap labor then, huh?

fwiw that's not even my personal belief; if that's all it took you'd see Hispanics committing terrorist acts regularly as well, I just think it's funny you'd blame immigration using another name considering other posts you've just made in another thread. The real issue actually has little to do with Islam itself as much as fantasy-land concepts of diversity. France thinks they can fuck over Algeria and Tunisia for near nearly a hundred years, then suddenly say "Oh darn my bad, hey you guys are victims and deserve to be angry, why don't you come live with us, we're cool now right?", all the while not being able to find work thanks to a garbage overbearing government that kills employment prospects.
 

agent00f

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Sounds like the solution is to stop immigration from third-world nations to exploit for cheap labor then, huh?

fwiw that's not even my personal belief; if that's all it took you'd see Hispanics committing terrorist acts regularly as well, I just think it's funny you'd blame immigration using another name considering other posts you've just made in another thread. The real issue actually has little to do with Islam itself as much as fantasy-land concepts of diversity. France thinks they can fuck over Algeria and Tunisia for near nearly a hundred years, then suddenly say "Oh darn my bad, hey you guys are victims and deserve to be angry, why don't you come live with us, we're cool now right?", all the while not being able to find work thanks to a garbage overbearing government that kills employment prospects.

When hispanics kill white people we just don't call it terrorism as you might've seen for muslims in various threads here.

But you're might well be right europe's mistake in this regard was ending colonialism or believing race-mixing was ok, if this kind of uppity behavior was less common back in the day.
 

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Lots of videos on Youtube outlining and explaining the Islamization of Europe. Their future is our future if we don't understand how it happens. The weakness of the West to embrace multiculturalism, diversity to the point of changing a society from one makeup to another and social justice NO MATTER the consequence is so advantageous to the spread of radical Islam that it has created a population explosion of Muslims in Europe.
 
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HamburgerBoy

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When hispanics kill white people we just don't call it terrorism as you might've seen for muslims in various threads here.

But you're might well be right europe's mistake in this regard was ending colonialism or believing race-mixing was ok, if this kind of uppity behavior was less common back in the day.

Hispanics don't target white Americans for political reasons. Most Hispanic crime in the USA is attributable to lower socioeconomic status and the war on drugs fueling gangs.

Not sure where I said that ending colonialism was a mistake, nor anything about race-mixing at all. I'm just saying that you don't bring people to your nation from a country that hates you, because it's suicide and hurts both sides.
 

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France thinks they can fuck over Algeria and Tunisia for near nearly a hundred years, then suddenly say "Oh darn my bad, hey you guys are victims and deserve to be angry, why don't you come live with us, we're cool now right?", all the while not being able to find work thanks to a garbage overbearing government that kills employment prospects.

The problem with that reasoning is that the French colonists that have invaded both countries have long since been dead. Both Tunisia and Algeria have been independent for more than half a century now. Even if you put the bad history between these three countries into context, France has been keeping their hands off of colonialism for a very long time now. Why bother retaliating against a group of people that have virtually nothing to do with the actual conquerors and oppressors of the past?

By that logic, the Chinese and Koreans should be sending in spies and assassins to throw Japan into social and political chaos, because of the terrible history between each other.

"The sons must bear the sins of the father", or whatever the hell that quote was called.
 

HamburgerBoy

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The problem with that reasoning is that the French colonists that have invaded both countries have long since been dead. Both Tunisia and Algeria have been independent for more than half a century now. Even if you put the bad history between these three countries into context, France has been keeping their hands off of colonialism for a very long time now. Why bother retaliating against a group of people that have virtually nothing to do with the actual conquerors and oppressors of the past?

By that logic, the Chinese and Koreans should be sending in spies and assassins to throw Japan into social and political chaos, because of the terrible history between each other.

"The sons must bear the sins of the father", or whatever the hell that quote was called.

I'm not exactly justifying the actions as much as I'm saying that they're a natural reaction that you can find in many heterogeneous populations. However, it is a fact that Muslim citizens of France (not just refugees) suffer from unemployment and other things at a higher proportion relative to native French, and it's easy to invent ideas of discrimination even where it doesn't exist. Until France either promotes a strong national identity inclusive of minority groups already within its borders, fixes their economy, or kicks out ethnic Algerians and Tunisians, these problems will continue to exist, because tribalism is a base element of the human psyche. (I personally would prefer it if they tried cutting back on socialist fat and became more economically productive if they try only one of the three.)

The least successful areas in the world are those with deep-seated concepts of identity conflict, e.g. the Balkans, where no group wipes out the other but simply engages in back-and-forth fighting for literal millennia along ethnic and religious lines. You can have diversity, but only if a nation's wealth is equal and great enough, and if the kind of diversity present isn't actually valued. For example, the Chinese and Japanese were treated horribly for much of their time in the USA, and in fact had less rights than even blacks did after the Civil War. In spite of that, Asian terrorism in America has never been particularly problematic. Many kept to themselves for a long time, and others happily embraced white cultural norms and names until they've reached a point where they're far more successful than whites themselves, and barely even thought about as a minority group in our country. China has dozens of various ethnic groups within its borders, but aside from recent uprisings by Muslims in the West, you don't really ever hear about riots and violence committed along ethnic lines. That's because the authoritarian state effectively squashed those concepts.

I'd use Japan as an argument in my favor; they're an extremely homogeneous and xenophobic nation, and if Donald Trump accomplished all of his immigration plans, he'd still be to the left of Japan on that issue. Their tiny Korean minority population is still discriminated against to this day, and Japan still denies most of its war crimes committed during WW2. I think human beings are used to being treated like cattle, and although it's not the most humane solution, if you keep them ignorant of their victimhood, they can't be motivated enough to rise up. This is why Communism is such an incredibly powerful and dangerous virus, because it makes people begin to think of themselves along class and identity, and promotes tribalism. It's not "spies and assassins" that are being sent into France; these are second, third, etc generation French-Algerians and French-Tunisians committing most of the Islamic crime in France. I think there's been maybe a couple Syrian refugees in the mix, but they're the minority.
 

MrA79

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The specific problems I'm referencing are the so called "no-go" predominantly Muslim neighborhoods, where law enforcement can't enforce the law due to safety reasons? These neighborhoods are ran under Sharia laws, and are enforced by the extremists that imposed those laws.

It's happening more and more in Europe, more so France, and these extremists are more brazen by the day.

Do you think there will be a day when the same thing that's happening in Europe will be a reality in the US?

You're basically talking about Dearbornistan. Every city has areas that have 'never alone' protocols in place.
 

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If the policies of the left continue, yes. Previous immigration waves were of a different nature, the educated classes were imported from Iran for instance.
The current refugees are closer to what europe has to deal with, far harder to assimilate, and in numbers which ensure they won't if continued.

Islam is incompatible with western democratic civilization, its simply a matter of numbers before the problem wakes from dormancy when the population reaches a critical mass.

And yes, even in Dearborn Michigan...

Muslims Stoning Christians in Dearborn, Michigan
American Freedom Law Center
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBaTVwIJH-E


Terror in Germany: The Truth They Hide
Paul Joseph Watson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avavZKtf6-g