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Do you thiink sugar will eventually be banned, or at least restricted?

Mai72

Lifer
We are just finding out what excessive sugar intake is doing to our health. Obestity, type 2, chronic inflammation, cancer, and now possbile heart disease. Just look at the majority of Americans. We are mostly sick, have gut issues, and other health ailments and it's mostly related to our overconsumption of sugar. Now, ti seems that sugar might be the main culprit behind heart disease. As more people are diagnosed as type 2 (over 150m Americans) in 10 years, it's going to put a HUGE strain on our health care. More money is going to have to be devoted to taking care of these people . The problem is sugar is everywhere. It's estimated that over 80% of the foods that we consume has sugar in it. The average American consumes over 6 tons of this stuff. And, sugar is a drug. It has been shown that sugar impacts our brain the same as cocaine. It's very difficult to have a low sugar diet, and many people have difficulty doing this. IMO, something will have to be done because it's going to severly impact our country. Remember, it was just a short time ago that doctors prescribed cigarettes to their patients. We are just coming to relaize that sugar is possibly just as bad as smoking. The video I linked is a scary reason why added sugar should be avoided. What they are finding is when we consume too much of this stuff it gets converted to LDL (bad) cholestrol. Check out the video.


 
Being a type 2 diabetic, I would love to see far less added sugar in foods, or perdurable no added sugars at all. So I do see more restrictions on refined sugars being added to foods that they are unsuitable for.
 
Being a type 2 diabetic, I would love to see far less added sugar in foods, or perdurable no added sugars at all. So I do see more restrictions on refined sugars being added to foods that they are unsuitable for.

Yea, agree. Over 100m Americans are expected to be afflicted with type2. That's an insane number, and will have immense consequences for the health care industry and our country. You have some experts even stating that if this isn't fixed, health care will run out of money by 2026. Imagine that. You go to the doctor because of an ailment. You have insurance, but it doesn't mean much because the system is so overwhelmed with people who are overweight, have type2 and have chronic inflammation/health issues. Then you look at a unhealthy 20 something whose a little over weight. Well that he/she is in 6-10 years in their 30s. They haven't changed their diet one bit. They are older now, overweight and are starting to experience health issues. All due to their diet. Millions and millions of Americans. IMO, we are beyond the point where we could turn this around. It's much too late and many people just don't want to change their lifestyle. In the end, this is a trainwreck that will affect most people. The only people who will be getting top notch health care will be the milluionaires, and billionaires. It doesn't matter if you have health coverage for life or not. Can you pay for it out of pocket. My uncle was a millionaire, and I saw first hand how he had the best because he was able to pay out of pocket. $500 here. $1k there. $70 3X a day for massages. Daily whole food runs that totaled $1k a week. Had a helper who cooked, etc.
 
There does seem to be a big movement these days for lowering sugar, and really, even processed foods in general. I feel we're going to start to see a move towards less sugar and less processed food. Even fast food, I could see them move towards "healthier" options. People are just more conscious of diet now. Even those that don't eat that well are still aware of it at very least. Just got to watch they don't just replace sugar with something that's just as bad or worse. Kinda like when they started replacing deep fryer oil with a different kind that was "healthier" and now they're saying that the new oils are actually worse for you.

I think unhealthy eating is basically the new smoking. In 20 years from now we'll be looking back at how badly people ate and things will hopefully be better.

I'm guilty of eating bad myself, just because it's what is shoved in front of our faces, all the easy and simple and cheap stuff just happens to be unhealthy. If you want to eat healthy you really have to work for it because you need to cook it yourself and follow recipes etc. Hopefully this will change. I would love to see fast food places actually serve healthy foods, and packaged foods being healthy. It can be done, it's just that it isn't because of cost. Fast food, and most premade food in general is all about making it as cheap as possible while it still being legal to call it food.

One thing I've been better at though is snacking. I don't eat chips and chocolate bars all that much anymore. I still have it once in a while but not really that often.
 
Too much money to be made by keeping us sick. People from the food industry not only have lobbyists and contribute to political campaigns, they are also in the government. There are also tons of worthelss studies paid for by these companies designed to dilute the good studies and to confuse consumers.

Doctors are also inadequately educated on nutrition and would be fighting an uphill battle to get us to change everything we know about eating. When I went plant-based the people in my doctor's office and the cardiologist office looked at me like I was crazy.
 
The other issue is they allow companies to rename sugar to 50 other adjectives to hide it and if the names result in less than... what 5% by volume (it's something along these lines, I forget the cut off %) they don't even have to list it and that's how you can get look ZERO sugar advertised on food while still having sugar in it.
 
Being a type 2 diabetic, I would love to see far less added sugar in foods, or perdurable no added sugars at all. So I do see more restrictions on refined sugars being added to foods that they are unsuitable for.

I hate how much added sugar is in certain foods, which is why I stay away from processed foods as much as possible. Does a Snickers bar really need 26g of added sugar (28g total) in order to taste good?
 
I hate how much added sugar is in certain foods, which is why I stay away from processed foods as much as possible. Does a Snickers bar really need 26g of added sugar (28g total) in order to taste good?

Yeah I hate that too, I'm sure there is a happy medium where it can still taste good and be "healthier", and stop using refined sugar use cane sugar instead. I mean, we already pay at least a dollar for a chocolate bar that probably cost 5 cents to make. It's not like they are running on thin margins. Also, when they make a "sugar free" version of something they always end up adding something else that's usually worse. Is it really necessary? No matter what it's not going to taste the same as "the real thing" how about just don't put the sugar and leave it at that. I guess it's silly to complain about an unhealthy snack being unhealthy, but there are compromises that could be made to at very least make it less bad for you if they could put health first instead of profits for once.
 
@Red Squirrel Cane Sugar is a Refined Sugar!!! 🙄

Ok maybe I got the wording wrong. I'm talking about the white fine sugar, vs the more natural stuff straight from the cane, it's usually brown and a bit more chunky. It's slightly less bad for you since it's not as processed. You can't really find it much anymore though.
 
Ok maybe I got the wording wrong. I'm talking about the white fine sugar, vs the more natural stuff straight from the cane, it's usually brown and a bit more chunky. It's slightly less bad for you since it's not as processed. You can't really find it much anymore though.
Your are looking for sugar cane molasses from the first boiling of the juice of sugar cane. You might be able to find bottled Sugar Cane Juice depending where you live.
 
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Do you thiink sugar will eventually be banned, or at least restricted?

I went through a phase where I thought sugar was the devil. It is, and it isn't. It can be addicting & cause chaos in people's bodies, especially those who are carb-sensitive, but it's also fine in moderation, which is something that took me awhile to personally accept, because I didn't understand how the digestive process really worked. The real problem is that it's an individual responsibility thing, which is an issue because we, as a society, face two problems:

1. People don't understand how macros work
2. Processed, packaged, and prepared foods typically have an extremely high carb count

Then, combine the two:

* You aren't aware of macros at all (I certainly wasn't, for many many years)
* You intake huge amounts of carbs on a consistent basis (without really realizing it, and without caring, because most people aren't educated on macros & thus have no personal goals & no plan of any kind for managing their health through food intake)
* Suddenly 50% of America is pre-diabetic or Type II diabetic

To make a simple comparison, a 12-ounce Sprite has 38 grams of carbs, whereas as a McDonalds Big Mac has 46 grams of carbs. Yup, a fast-food burger has more sugar than a soda pop! Now let's combine that Big mac with a large Sprite & a large French fry to make it a meal at lunch time. So now you're looking at 181 grams of carbs just for your mid-day meal:

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Which is fine...IF it fits your macros for the day. But we have carbs for breakfast, snacks, lunch, dinner, and dessert. Most people don't track or monitor their carb intake, and most people don't even know what macros are & how they control your bodyweight. So, is sugar itself the problem? Well, yes and no. Companies know that carb-rich products sell well, and consumers enjoy eating & drinking them. Ultimately, it's up to each individual consumer to make their own personal choices about what they put into their bodies.

Skittles isn't going to stop making Skittles just because they're made of pure sugar, because that's the whole point of eating them - they're a yummy treat! If you enjoy them in a responsible manner, then it's a non-issue. A company can't dictate what your personal macronutrient intake should be each day - it's up to the consumer to take personal responsibility for their diet & health. The government already mandates that they print the macros on all packaged products, as well as mass-produced fast-food products like Burger King & McDonalds. Restaurant & fair food & food cart & food truck food is a little more tricky because they're not as consistent, which makes accurate labeling difficult.

It's a tricky question because it's kind of like smoking: plenty of people smoke cigarettes, despite knowing how bad they are for your lungs & your body, and even being warned about the dangers, right on the packaging, over the years. The question then becomes, how much do you want to control people, versus let them make their own choices? Alcohol & cigarettes are legal, even though we know the consequences. Sugar is arguably worse in a lot of ways, because of the myriad of problems that comes with excess intake over time, stuff that can really wreck your health long-term, and is also known to be an addictive substance. Where do you draw the line between providing labeling on packaging & letting consumers manage their own health?

@Mai72 - you may enjoy reading this book:


It talks a lot about the psychological effects of sugar & the cycles that people go through with it, definitely worth a read if you're interested in the topic of sugar!
 
Thank god Kaido finally came into the thread and provided some real substance.

Yes, too much sugar is bad. No we should not ban it. Yes we should educate people more. No it is not the devil.

Everything converts to sugar in the body. In certain cases, straight doses of sugar are absolutely necessary. The health effects of sugar with molecules removed (eg Splenda, Extra, etc) as well as alternative sweeteners such as stevia, monkfruit, etc are unknown over long duration of time and not necessarily the way we want to swing for sweetening all foods.

People need to take ownership of their actions, they don't need to be forced down our throats.
 
Your are looking for sugar cane molasses from the first boiling of the juice of sugar cane. You might be able to find bottled Sugar Cane Juice depending where you live.
That molasses is called Fancy Molasses here in Canada. I prefer the second boil called Cooking Molasses here in Canada for baking.

If Red Squirrel looks hard enough, he can find unrefined cane sugar in Canada but it isn't cheap.
 
That molasses is called Fancy Molasses here in Canada. I prefer the second boil called Cooking Molasses here in Canada for baking.

If Red Squirrel looks hard enough, he can find unrefined cane sugar in Canada but it isn't cheap.
Yeah it's called Original Molasses here in the US and I've used it in my coffee when I have some. The store I go to only carries this type of Molasses and not robust or blackstrap.

Fun Fact: Molasses used to be one of the most common sweeteners before the cheap refined white sugar was widely available.
 
Aids in weight loss.

Low calorie and naturally sweet, with the help of the antioxidants and balancing blood sugar, rooibos tea can be a great addition to your beverage choices while trying to lose weight. ... To get the most out of aspalathin, choose green rooibos over red.

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I hate how much added sugar is in certain foods, which is why I stay away from processed foods as much as possible. Does a Snickers bar really need 26g of added sugar (28g total) in order to taste good?

Yea. But dis you know that eating 1-2 bananas can have the same effect on your blood glucose as that Snickers bar. Actually, the 1-2 bananas will be worse.

 
I went through a phase where I thought sugar was the devil. It is, and it isn't. It can be addicting & cause chaos in people's bodies, especially those who are carb-sensitive, but it's also fine in moderation, which is something that took me awhile to personally accept, because I didn't understand how the digestive process really worked. The real problem is that it's an individual responsibility thing, which is an issue because we, as a society, face two problems:

1. People don't understand how macros work
2. Processed, packaged, and prepared foods typically have an extremely high carb count

Then, combine the two:

* You aren't aware of macros at all (I certainly wasn't, for many many years)
* You intake huge amounts of carbs on a consistent basis (without really realizing it, and without caring, because most people aren't educated on macros & thus have no personal goals & no plan of any kind for managing their health through food intake)
* Suddenly 50% of America is pre-diabetic or Type II diabetic

To make a simple comparison, a 12-ounce Sprite has 38 grams of carbs, whereas as a McDonalds Big Mac has 46 grams of carbs. Yup, a fast-food burger has more sugar than a soda pop! Now let's combine that Big mac with a large Sprite & a large French fry to make it a meal at lunch time. So now you're looking at 181 grams of carbs just for your mid-day meal:

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Which is fine...IF it fits your macros for the day. But we have carbs for breakfast, snacks, lunch, dinner, and dessert. Most people don't track or monitor their carb intake, and most people don't even know what macros are & how they control your bodyweight. So, is sugar itself the problem? Well, yes and no. Companies know that carb-rich products sell well, and consumers enjoy eating & drinking them. Ultimately, it's up to each individual consumer to make their own personal choices about what they put into their bodies.

Skittles isn't going to stop making Skittles just because they're made of pure sugar, because that's the whole point of eating them - they're a yummy treat! If you enjoy them in a responsible manner, then it's a non-issue. A company can't dictate what your personal macronutrient intake should be each day - it's up to the consumer to take personal responsibility for their diet & health. The government already mandates that they print the macros on all packaged products, as well as mass-produced fast-food products like Burger King & McDonalds. Restaurant & fair food & food cart & food truck food is a little more tricky because they're not as consistent, which makes accurate labeling difficult.

It's a tricky question because it's kind of like smoking: plenty of people smoke cigarettes, despite knowing how bad they are for your lungs & your body, and even being warned about the dangers, right on the packaging, over the years. The question then becomes, how much do you want to control people, versus let them make their own choices? Alcohol & cigarettes are legal, even though we know the consequences. Sugar is arguably worse in a lot of ways, because of the myriad of problems that comes with excess intake over time, stuff that can really wreck your health long-term, and is also known to be an addictive substance. Where do you draw the line between providing labeling on packaging & letting consumers manage their own health?

@Mai72 - you may enjoy reading this book:


It talks a lot about the psychological effects of sugar & the cycles that people go through with it, definitely worth a read if you're interested in the topic of sugar!

The problem in the future will be the state of our health care. With tobacco and alchoal we know the effects they both could have on our health. If I'm a heavy drinker or smoker, I should know that I'm going to have some serious health consequences in the future. Also, it's really only a minor group of people who smoke or abuse alchoal compared to people who consume food which is everyone. It's not going to put pressure on the health care system like our eating habits will. Type 2 could possibly wipe out health care dollars because so many people are going to be affected. It's just not sugar though. Carbs are just as bad. Even the so called "good carbs." Why, because it all gets converted into sugar. Glucose and frutose. Frutose is the main culprit because the liver doesn't know what to do with it. In turn, frutose gets converted into fat. Add in high saturated fats, and now you're looking at some serious health issues down the road.

Dr. Paul Mason has done extensive research on high cholesterol and carbs. It's pretty fascinating work. BTW, in the beginning of the video Paul talks about a patient of his who was denied life insurance because of his high cholestrol. He shows a pic of the man and he's in extrememly good shape. Then he shows the dexa scan of the same guy and he shows no fat. All lean tissue. The guy is on the keto diet.

 
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