Do you still support OWS?

[Londo_Jowo]

Well let's just do nothing then. Heck, candidates suck, let's get rid of elections. I suggest fascism, it's very efficient. Stop frickin demanding girl scouts in angel wings to protest.

Why don't they protest the lawmakers? Afraid people will realize that the Democratic party is just as responsible for the mess their laws created?

 

[Throckmorton]

Why don't they protest the lawmakers? Afraid people will realize that the Democratic party is just as responsible for the mess their laws created?

Because protesting "lawmakers" is as stupid as protesting the police because crime is out of control in your city.

Of course that's just what rightwingers want... For people to blame the government for what capitalists have done to this country. That's what the Tea Puppets of the Super Rich Party was all about.

 

[wuliheron]

I don't think that making the "shit is fucked up and bullshit" argument is in any way productive. Want corporate interest out of politics? Rally on the Capitol Hill. The sooner you realize that companies provide goods/services in order to generate returns for their owners, the sooner you'll have actual productive impact on the issue.

Whether you believe it or not the squeaky wheel does tend to get the grease. It doesn't have to tell anyone it needs grease, it doesn't have to go to Washington or write its congressman or fill out forms in triplicate.

As for corporations, I have yet to hear a single person at OWS suggest we burn down all the corporations and end civilization as we know it. Grow up.

 

[wuliheron]

Wow, you sure have a way of manipulating words to argue a point that isn't actually supported by the cited statistics.

And you have a way with vague accusations and innuendo.

 

[matt0611]

Because protesting "lawmakers" is as stupid as protesting the police because crime is out of control in your city.

Of course that's just what rightwingers want... For people to blame the government for what capitalists have done to this country. That's what the Tea Puppets of the Super Rich Party was all about.

When the police are in bed with the criminals. You absolutely should be protesting the police.

You think the criminals are gonna give a shit ?
LMAO, so naive, you'd be perfect for joining OWS
"The Capitalists" LMAO, if only...

 

[Throckmorton]

When the police are in bed with the criminals. You absolutely should be protesting the police.

Occupying Wall Street got the fucking point across didn't it? The public supports OWS and they now understand the concept of the 1% vs the 99% and extreme wealth concentration. Protesting in DC instead would have sent the out message "we hate government just like every other bunch of nutjobs herp a derp" which would have had no effect. The government needs political capital to regulate the finance industry, and that exists now. And do you think a bailout would even be possible now? Finally the American people understand that the people who are to blame are the millionaires in control.

 

[khon]

Yet they're not protesting the ones that developed and passed those policies into law. Why isn't OWS protesting in front of the Whitehouse or Capitol building? Afraid that Obama and Holder would call out the National Guard?

These protests aren't affecting the 1% or lawmakers, the people paying the price are in the 99%.

That's because they think those politicians aren't the source of the policies, but merely the paid servants of the 1%. So who do you protest, the leaders or the henchmen ?

I'm not saying I agree with them, but that's the logic behind their choice of protest locations.

 

[PokerGuy]

Finally the American people understand that the people who are to blame are the millionaires in control.

You mean the senators and house reps? The president?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Because protesting "lawmakers" is as stupid as protesting the police because crime is out of control in your city.

Of course that's just what rightwingers want... For people to blame the government for what capitalists have done to this country. That's what the Tea Puppets of the Super Rich Party was all about.

So who's paying the price for these protests? The 1%...no, they're laughing their asses off as they continue to make money. The 99%..hell yes, affected workers are being inconvenienced and the tax payers are footing the bill for clean up and policing the areas.


We understand the left wants to blame everything on big business and the right. No way would they want anyone to realize their policies and laws have created as much as the the right's policies and laws.

Big business has infiltrated the current Whitehouse.

 

[matt0611]

That's because they think those politicians aren't the source of the policies, but merely the paid servants of the 1%. So who do you protest, the leaders or the henchmen ?

I'm not saying I agree with them, but that's the logic behind their choice of protest locations.

Bank of America has no guns, JP Morgan has no guns.
They can't take your money by force like the government does.
They don't write the rules.
They can't bail themselves out.

The government is the source of the problem.
They are the power brokers who unlawfully sell the people out to the special interests.
They are the ones who need to be held accountable.

 

[Throckmorton]

So who's paying the price for these protests? The 1%...no, they're laughing their asses off as they continue to make money. The 99%..hell yes, affected workers are being inconvenienced and the tax payers are footing the bill for clean up and policing the areas.


We understand the left wants to blame everything on big business and the right. No way would they want anyone to realize their policies and laws have created as much as the the right's policies and laws.

Big business has infiltrated the current Whitehouse.

LOL, are you seriously bitching because it protests cost local governments money? I didn't see you complain about Teabaggers or Glenn Beck's rally.


The 1% aren't laughing their asses off. The Reaganomics Trickle Down bullshit they've bamboozled us with for 30 years is OVER and they know it. Regular people are finally turning against them, despite the best efforts of the right. You really don't understand what's happening in America do you? Look at the polls. 2/3 now believe wealth is too concentrated.

 

[KGB]

Given the thread title and the diatribe in the opening post... I have one question:

When did the OP ever support these people?

 

[yllus]

In Toronto, it's said that $45,000 in damage has been done to the park they're occupying. That could rise to over $100,000 if the city can't get in to winterized the sprinkler system.

I live across the street from this park. The less than aesthetically pleasing transformation of it is very annoying, but I do support the overall goals of the Occupy movement - even if said movement is doing absolutely nothing to help those aims. Can I support the cause and not the people?

 

[Macamus Prime]

Well let's just do nothing then. Heck, candidates suck, let's get rid of elections. I suggest fascism, it's very efficient. Stop frickin demanding girl scouts in angel wings to protest.

Create something called; The People's Hedge Fund.

Use the wealth dedicated to this fund to fuck shit up. Hedge funds screw with the market all the time. Use those same tactics to really bring them to their knees.

However, you need to know what you are doing. And, if you are capable of managing and organizing legal economic terrorism (hedge funds) then you would use those capabilities to make yourself some money - like they are currently used now.

God Bless America.

 

[dank69]

I don't know what them being 'bums' has to do with anything. Many are without jobs because there aren't jobs available, which is one of the major points of the protest. Also, most of the protestors during the 60s would be labeled bums as well, did that invalidate their cause? they might have been doing a lot of drugs back then as well.

 

[Craig234]

I live across the street from this park. The less than aesthetically pleasing transformation of it is very annoying, but I do support the overall goals of the Occupy movement - even if said movement is doing absolutely nothing to help those aims. Can I support the cause and not the people?

To an extent, yes. But understand that protest is messy. And that to oppose the people on your side a lot is to fight the cause for the other side.

I'd like to find a quote about how this protest like any has basic unpleasant things because of the logistics such as toilets, but can't find the quote.

It's good to have them there, despite the mess. They have it worse than you.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

LOL, are you seriously bitching because it protests cost local governments money? I didn't see you complain about Teabaggers or Glenn Beck's rally.


The 1% aren't laughing their asses off. The Reaganomics Trickle Down bullshit they've bamboozled us with for 30 years is OVER and they know it. Regular people are finally turning against them, despite the best efforts of the right. You really don't understand what's happening in America do you? Look at the polls. 2/3 now believe wealth is too concentrated.

I never followed either the Tea Party or Glenn Beck rallies. Did these rallies last for a month or more?

Are these protests really doing anything to the 1%? No, the 1% who actually come to Wall Street aren't affected. Has new laws/policies been enacted to change anything? No, even the current administration has former top dogs from Wall Street within their ranks so you know they will still pander to their masters.

The OWS movement/protests is/are affecting the local governments and people who work in the vicinity of the protests. The great thing about living in the burbs the only time you hear anything about the protests is on the news. Occupy Houston has absolutely no effect on my life or for that matter my tax money, that's Houston/Harris County's issue.

 

[PokerGuy]

LOL, are you seriously bitching because it protests cost local governments money? I didn't see you complain about Teabaggers or Glenn Beck's rally.

Peacefully assembling somewhere to protest for a day is different than occupying an area for months on end.

they've bamboozled us with for 30 years is OVER and they know it. Regular people are finally turning against them, despite the best efforts of the right. You really don't understand what's happening in America do you?

Hahahaha, do you actually believe this nonsense? In case you haven't noticed, the exact same thing happens regardless of which party is in power -- wealth accumulates at the top. You've just been conned into thinking one party looks out for you more than the other, when nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[Ausm]

If it pisses off the Rightists in this Country, I'm all for it!

 

[Engineer]

While I may not agree that their "message" will work or not, I do support their "RIGHT" to do what they are doing.

 

[olds]

I give him a hell of a lot more credit being there than I give you, 'entitled POS'.

Just for the record, your opinion on any subject carries no weight with me

 

[Jaskalas]

If they protest their corporate President, I might begin to listen. Til then they can ah heck off.

 

[airdata]

I saw a recent poll citing that some 70% of #occupy protesters were employed compared to around 50% of Tea Party protesters.

I still support the general cause but the total thing is a cluster Fu**. There's alot of fringe groups mixed in w\ average joe protesters... and then theres alot of people who refuse to acknowledge that and would rather just look at the actions of fringe groups and pretend the entire body of protesters behaves that way.

I'll also note that I've seen very few anti #occupy people willing to discuss the blatant curruption which was the reason for starting #occupy. Before the entitled college kids ran out and said they wanted their tuition paid, this and that.

I'm talking, the reason why the movement was even set in motion. Real issues. Nobody talking about them.

And how about the police brutality.. .jesus. We have a huge highlight reel of unruly, criminal police actions. Alot of it is really sickening. But it just shows you who is in power in the country.

These are the people in positions of authority. They changes laws on the fly to curtain civil rights, cheer on brutality against non violent protesters, pepper spray people who are hand cuffed and sitting on the ground, fracture skulls of US Veterans...

If they protest their corporate President, I might begin to listen. Til then they can ah heck off.

The core #occupy people are smart enough to not need to single out Obama. He's part of the machine that is being protested. He's doing everything GWB would do if he had a 3rd term. He's simply a figurehead who follows orders, and reads from a teleprompter.

People who single out Obama are right wingers who don't see the big picture.. just Red vs Blue.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I find it hard to believe you ever supported them and that this thread is anything more then a diatribe.

Occupy Wall Street has a clear and simple message:

The current economic and political system sucks.

If you don't support that message and their right to at least make noise in the hope it will inspire change then I assume you prefer the current economic and political system to whatever petty problems you perceive them causing.

As for costing tax payers money, 87% of New Yorkers polled said they supported their right to protest and across the entire country the movement has the support of more people then either political party. If you belong to the 13% who don't want their their tax money spent on this then I suggest moving to someplace else like Somalia where they don't have taxes.

That is BS, that isn't their gripe at all. They think banks are evil. If they didn't like the political system, they would all march through washington D.C. But they don't. They are only targeting companies. Why? Because they are as a whole too stupid to realize that the government is what caused this mess by forcing banks to make sub prime loans to people that would never be able to pay the loan off. The banks had to figure out a way to not loose their shirt so they tried the dirivatives and mortgage bundling.

Every Occupier, needs to pack up, head to DC and remove the politicians from office that keep enacting entitlement programs with no concern for how that program will actually be paid for or who is ultimately going to pay it. Because the government isn't paying for anything. We the people are.
The Tea Party atleast was coherant, and capable of gathering enough support to bring viable electable candidates to the races and get them elected. That shows where "the peoples" voices are.
If OWS are serious they'll stop causing a mess and trying to hurt people and wearing V (Guy Fawkes) masks and turn their attention to the real problem in this country. The Government.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I saw a recent poll citing that some 70% of #occupy protesters were employed compared to around 50% of Tea Party protesters.

I still support the general cause but the total thing is a cluster Fu**. There's alot of fringe groups mixed in w\ average joe protesters... and then theres alot of people who refuse to acknowledge that and would rather just look at the actions of fringe groups and pretend the entire body of protesters behaves that way.

I'll also note that I've seen very few anti #occupy people willing to discuss the blatant curruption which was the reason for starting #occupy. Before the entitled college kids ran out and said they wanted their tuition paid, this and that.

I'm talking, the reason why the movement was even set in motion. Real issues. Nobody talking about them.

And how about the police brutality.. .jesus. We have a huge highlight reel of unruly, criminal police actions. Alot of it is really sickening. But it just shows you who is in power in the country.

These are the people in positions of authority. They changes laws on the fly to curtain civil rights, cheer on brutality against non violent protesters, pepper spray people who are hand cuffed and sitting on the ground, fracture skulls of US Veterans...




The core #occupy people are smart enough to not need to single out Obama. He's part of the machine that is being protested. He's doing everything GWB would do if he had a 3rd term. He's simply a figurehead who follows orders, and reads from a teleprompter.

People who single out Obama are right wingers who don't see the big picture.. just Red vs Blue.

You are full of it. They don't single out Obama, but they do single out GWB. Piss off. This movement is politically motivated and you know it.