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Do you live a sustainable lifestyle?

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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
zerocool1

"Sustainability is the ability to ensure that humanity meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs."

What I've posted above is a very simple defition.

Rogo
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Wonderful! I love that response. I wish to direct your attention to maslow's hierarchy of needs

Of course, different diagrams differ slightly; I just grabbed one at random.
First layer of needs - Physical needs: the need for air, water, food, exercise, rest, freedom from diseases and disabilities.

Let's see: water: I can use all the water I want. There will still be water on this planet 50 years from now, and there will still be water on this planet a million years from now. Within 100 years, desalinization plants, etc., will be commonplace. 2/3 of the surface of this planet is water. Food? What the heck are we supposed to do? Recycle toast to save the wheat fields? On the other hand, I've got a big compost pile. BIG compost pile that I'm using to improve the quality of the soil in my garden (plus to expand my garden) Nonetheless, food doesn't need soil to grow. See hydroponics, and see my last point about water. I'm pretty sure that technology can make sure we have enough food for future generations. Exercise: I didn't do any pushups today, I'm saving them for my grandchildren. Diseases? Disabilities? Not usually due to modern practices. Modern practices if anything decrease the prevalence of most disease.

Okay, we're pretty certain the future won't have to worry about physical needs. Next in the pyramid are security needs - the need for safety, shelter, stability. Again, unless we want to argue about politics and world stability, the present generations really aren't doing much to stop the future generations from fullfilling these needs. Of course, there's always the possiblity that they'll have to use metal studs instead of wood studs in the walls of their homes. Cry me a river.

Next on the pyramid is social needs - the need for being loved, belonging, inclusion. Hopefully the future generations can look back at history and see what topics will make them unpopular if they post about them online. They'll also realize that a herd mentality, ganging up on someone who is borderline trolling in his own thread will give them at least a slight sense of belonging and inclusion.

The next level on Maslow's pyramid/hierarchy of needs is Ego. I don't know why frozen waffles are so important, but whatever.

And, the highest level is self actualization - the need for development, creativity. These needs are met through autonomy and achievment. i.e. this is a creative post, therefore it's helping me reach self actualization. Hopefully the next few generations don't think of every possible creative thing to do, although The Simpsons has really done more than their share in this area.

So, you can see, I am doing nothing to prevent future generations from having enough to meet their needs. If you think they need gasoline, then you sound like my 15 year old kid when he's whining that he doesn't have gas for his dirt bike. The real truth is that we all have a lot of things that we DON'T need. But, it's nice to have toys.
 
DrPizza

Your post was a good repsonse to my question and my definition regarding sustainability.

The primary problem with Maslow is that his physical projection didn't account for homo sapiens expoential growth rate after the industrial revolution.

We surely won't destroy our planet, but we are using up it's human carrying capacity (part of this is the infrastructure and way of life built upon cheap hydrocarbon based energy).

Rogo
 
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
I'm asking you to answer truthfully. 🙂

Rogo
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no. w/o rain, my crops have dried up. i've lost 80% 🙁

now have to sell plamsa to survive the winter.

SIGH.. Why couldnt life be easy?

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Is it me, or did Rogodin2's post count go up by like 200 in this thread alone?
 
Sustainable in terms of a global perspective? Probably. I bike to work, I try to eat locally-grown fruits and vegetables, my power is almost 100% hydroelectric.

Sustainable in terms of my own well-being? I probably live a little above my means. My apartment costs a bit too much, but it just means that I save less money right now. I could continue this lifestyle for years, my savings would just be hurt.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
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Someone needs to lay off the weed pipe. </blockquote>

That's a wiki source quote.

Rogo
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Wiki isn't a source.
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It's an experience!
 
I disagree that we're using up the human carrying capacity. Modern engineering has produced buildings that can house more people comfortably than ever before. Modern agriculture is increasing the yields per acre constantly, outpacing the increase in population. If anything, we're increasing the carrying capacity of the earth, not decreasing it. Even if the worst predictions of global warming are true, it will not decrease the carrying capacity, but rather shift the geologic sources of production of food. (As well as put a hurting on wildlife, trees, etc. incapable of moving to an area where the climate is what they're already adapted to.

Also, it's silly to think that we're going to continue indefinitely with hydrocarbon based energy. It's nearly a certainty that advances in science and engineering will produce other primary sources of energy that replace our hydrocarbon dependence, namely fusion power as well as advances in solar. Wind & tidal are other sources that may see an increase in the percentage of overall energy use, however (IMHO), those technologies are nearly mature - that is, there aren't significant gains in efficiency possible, but the existing technology can be implemented on a much larger scale. The amount of solar energy that's successfully converted to electrical energy in solar cells has plenty of room for increased efficiency.
 
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Oooohhhhh...I thought he meant sustainable financially. Not all the hippie "save the earth dude!" stuff.

I'm pretty sure the Earth is going to look like Coruscant from Star Wars in 200 years, but they seemed to like it.

We just have to remember to never leave one guy in charge of everything.
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i've heard about sustainability being used in the context of sociology and economics and instead of just taking from society giving some time and maybe money to make a difference. these deal with entrepeurship etc. starting a business in an area can bring more capital to the region.
 
Also, it's silly to think that we're going to continue indefinitely with hydrocarbon based energy. It's nearly a certainty that advances in science and engineering will produce other primary sources of energy that replace our hydrocarbon dependence, namely fusion power as well as advances in solar. Wind & tidal are other sources that may see an increase in the percentage of overall energy use, however (IMHO), those technologies are nearly mature - that is, there aren't significant gains in efficiency possible, but the existing technology can be implemented on a much larger scale. The amount of solar energy that's successfully converted to electrical energy in solar cells has plenty of room for increased efficiency
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Necessity is the mother of all inventions. Well, that and demand that is profitable. When other sources of energy(fossil fuels) dry up, you'll see some pretty ingenious ideas pop up come to mass production pretty damn quick. There's a need, and there will be money to be made.
 
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
Gobadgers

yep. things might be a bit tighter than i'd like, but I've never paid interest on a credit card
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That's not what I meant regarding the definition of 'sustainability'.

That's good that you're not in debt, but it doesn't mean that you're not releasing thousands of tons of carbon dioxide.

Rogo
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Wait, so you're telling me to believe that lack of debt causes some sort of condition that results in excessive CO2 production? Debt correlates to someone's greenhouse gas imprint?
 
Nope, and I don't really give a flying f*** if you or anyone else does.

And I would hope that you wouldn't care that I don't. But, you're obviously a tree-hugging, nanny-state, hippie liberal who will try to tell me how I should live my life.
 
Rogo, you and your ilk are the new inquisition. You started a thread asking if people live a sustainable lifestyle, expecting everyone to adhere to your religious (yes, religious) views. When people unapolagetically replied that they did not, you yelled until you were blue in the face. There is no way that a rational person could have thought this thread was going to turn out differently, so I can only conclude that you are either:

1. A troll
2. Irrational
3. Both.

I suspect the latter.

Please preach elsewhere.
 
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
The polls are very different.

Rogo
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This isn't a poll, you have an agenda.

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
You chose to argue and be an azz-not me.
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If it was a poll, you wouldn't argue, you may clarify a definition, however...

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
I've seen the numbers - on my own post about carbon dioxide emision. 🙂

I know every 'yes' is a lie.
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And there's your argument.

The purpose of this thread is to "teach" us we aren't sustainable. P&N is over there --------->
 
Rogo, you and your ilk are the new inquisition. You started a thread asking if people live a sustainable lifestyle, expecting everyone to adhere to your religious (yes, religious) views. When people unapolagetically replied that they did not, you yelled until you were blue in the face. There is no way that a rational person could have thought this thread was going to turn out differently, so I can only conclude that you are either:
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My question was posited in such a way as to imply that none of you that post on this forum live a sustainable life.

There are maybe 2 people, on this forum, that can live without any hydrocarbon footprint.

I didn't yell.

I post rationally.

My propositions are based on logic, geological facts, and mammalian quiddity.

This thread has made the homosapien mold conspicuous.

Rogo
 
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
grossman

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How old are you? Around 70? </blockquote>

I'm 30.

I've grown up on a vast volcanic basin where I worked on the land to harvest, cultivate, and plant the fields of commercial agriculture.

Rogo
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Well, I grew up in the middle of the Ecuadorian jungle, bitch, and our tropical fruits eco-pwn your cesspool of petroleum-based fertilizers and fossil fuel-burning agricultural machines in so many ways that the world's forests would have to be denuded and the entire internet filled to the brim just to list them all. And no, I don't consider it a "sustainable" lifestyle...in 100 years some of the things that we do will have to adapt to conform to an ever-changing earth.

Originally posted by: Rogodin2
My question was posited in such a way as to imply that none of you that post on this forum live a sustainable life.

There are maybe 2 people, on this forum, that can live without any hydrocarbon footprint.
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There are NO people on this forum who can live without any hydrocarbon footprint. Do you think the internet was spawned from the glittering aether? Do you access this forum via a TCP stack made of forest pixies and the Great Coyote himself as your ISP?:laugh:
 
Originally posted by: Rogodin2
My question was posited in such a way as to imply that none of you that post on this forum live a sustainable life.

There are maybe 2 people, on this forum, that can live without any hydrocarbon footprint.

I didn't yell.

I post rationally.
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I thought this was "just a poll"? Now you have implications to your deep thought question? /gasp

No one can live w/o a footprint.

No, but you did post in a pretentious, holier than thou fashion with a "hidden" PSA for all of us based on your political motivations. Grats for being a tool.
 
Rogodin

Do us all a favor and stop producing CO2. If you need help, I'll mail you a plastic bag. Just hold it over your nose and mouth.
 
Well, I grew up in the middle of the Ecuadorian jungle, bitch, and our tropical fruits eco-pwn your cesspool of petroleum-based fertilizers and fossil fuel-burning agricultural machines in so many ways that the world's forests would have to be denuded and the entire internet filled to the brim just to list them all. And no, I don't consider it a "sustainable" lifestyle...in 100 years some of the things that we do will have to adapt to conform to an ever-changing earth.
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The large scale commercial agriculture machine that I worked in was an epiphany for me (9 years ago). Why do you think jungles are being torn out and turned into caf fields? The wheat, beans, and corn I harvested were trucked to the Columbia were loaded onto barges that would offload to huge ocean going transport ships.

We are more than able to feed ourselves, but the real money is made feeding the global stomach.

It's very refreshing to see lifers calling people names.

Rogo
 
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