Do You Have The Right to Answer Your Door Armed?

[dlerious]

Then I answer the door in my tidy whities, and use my pistol to tap on the "No Soliciting" sing on my door, smile at them and slowly close the door.

Last time they came to my door (about 30 years ago), I was just getting out of the shower. Gave them a head to toe look, smiled and said "come in". They avoid me now - I don't even get their flyers in my door.

 

[MrSquished]

Were the police ever well-regulated?

I'm talking about the entire gun nut culture altogether - cops and civilians. All the gun fetishists.

 

[shortylickens]

No the gun nut culture has no regulation. And those are the same kind of people who walk to rally's and Capital Building protests with loaded rifles. And you'll notice the cops never hassle them. I think black men and women should start doing the same thing. Put on flag t-shirts and tacticool vests and carry rifles to the grocery store. Not one or two, but millions of them.

They never mess with Proud Boys, but they will arrest unarmed reporters trying to do their job.

 

[Moonbeam]

For reasons I cant fathom the OP reminds me of a story of a South American woman who followed her husband into a hotel and discovered he was there for an affair with another woman. After a bit she went to the top floor of the building and jumped, killing her husband on the sidewalk below as he was leaving.

As we know police departments lean toward an authoritarian outlook which leans toward the notion that if you want to cure bad behavior you punish it. Clearly, then, the way to stop this imbecility of attempting a police action at a wrong address the police who show up at such a wrong address should lose their jobs and the departments they work for be open to stiff damage awards and where persistent complaints continue to occur, the firing of the police officials as well.

 

[herm0016]

ignoring all your political crap for 4 pages.

The CNN story says its bad because it costs the government money in settlements. a well thought out conclusion as usual. /s

End qualified immunity and outlaw no knock warrants. you wont find any waiver on that opinion.


so the conclusion above is: because its a white guy and they might be conservatives because they own a gun that its not a problem?

a little /s

 

[brycejones]

ignoring all your political crap for 4 pages.

The CNN story says its bad because it costs the government money in settlements. a well thought out conclusion as usual. /s

End qualified immunity and outlaw no knock warrants. you wont find any waiver on that opinion.


so the conclusion above is: because its a white guy and they might be conservatives because they own a gun that its not a problem?

a little /s

Huh

 

[ivwshane]

Huh

Lol it was too much sarcasm that it no longer felt sarcastic. That’s a new one for me

 

[brycejones]

Lol it was too much sarcasm that it no longer felt sarcastic. That’s a new one for me

Herm goes weird places so I can never really be sure.

 

[MrSquished]

who knows what people think anymore. Their minds are melted

 

[Sunburn74]

There'll be an eventual wrongful death lawsuit and settlement that the public will end up paying. Thanks republicans.

 

[Vic]

@blackangst1 @dphantom

At what point did the homeowner act irresponsibly?

 

[Captante]

Were the police ever well-regulated?

Considering the size of the NYPD I would submit them as fairly "well regulated" and there def are smaller departments that are very tight ships.

It all comes down to leadership.... a fish stinks from the head back.

 

[Vic]

@herm0016

No, the conclusion is that white conservatives need to decide between backing the blue and their love of the 2a.

"Good shoots" of law-abiding citizens because LEO "saw a gun" and qualified immunity were all well and good for white conservatives when the victims weren't white conservatives. So what's the convenient narrative now? Blame the media for reporting the news again? Or lip service about how about how qualified immunity and no-knock warrants are bad for as long as this news cycle lasts?

When IMO the real lessons white conservatives should take from this is that whatever injustices they empower govt to do to others can and will be done to them. And that unlike them, liberals aren't chanting "good shoot" and "comply or die" when it does happen to one of them.

 

[Moonbeam]

who knows what people think anymore. Their minds are melted

An opinion piece that may have relevance for people serious about political discussions.

https://www.yourtango.com/self/rare-traits-people-think-for-themselves Hahahahaha!

forums.anandtech.com

 

[purbeast0]

Anyone who says that 400+ million guns are going to be "bought back", or even more hilarious, confiscated, is delusional.

Who are you referring to?

I've literally never heard anyone ever in the entire world say that would happen.

 

[Zorba]

According to Gov. Abbott just someone walking past your car with an AR-15 gives you the right to blow them away. Of course, he also thinks having an AR-15 is a god given right.

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/08/1168830220/texas-governor-abbott-pardon-army-sergeant

 

[MrSquished]

According to Gov. Abbott just walking past someone by your car with AR-15 gives you the right to blow them away. Of course, he always thinks having an AR-15 is a god given right.

https://www.npr.org/2023/04/08/1168830220/texas-governor-abbott-pardon-army-sergeant

It just depends on if they are on his political side or not. Like whether or not you get expelled from office for violating decorum via peaceful protest.

Add this to the neverending list of how the Republican party is evil, it ain't gonna change no matter how much Moonbeam tries talking to them and calling them good people that just have issues, and they respect zero institutions from democracy to equal rights to any of it. And the next GQP president, if it happens, and Congress, will end democracy in this country 100%. People still think I'm crying wolf. These are literally mid-stage Nazi leaders leading mid-stage Nazi people. There is no saving them.

 

[skyking]

There are some simple life prolonging rules when it comes to being armed and defending yourself.
Nothing outside your door is ever worth a life. Not your car, tools, things in your garage.
Going to your door, gun in hand, violates that basic principle.
People do it all the time for a noise by their car etc. You are looking for trouble at that point.
Going outside is not a defensive action.
Back to the OP:
I am sure as hell not answering my door at an odd hour of the night. We can shout through that door and establish that they are LEO's and go from there.
If you are in your home you are in a defensive position.
Answering your door with a gun and brandishing it exposes you to possible criminal charges and/or getting your ass shot, but most importantly if it is a fishing expedition by some crook, now they know for certain you have a gun to steal.
Nobody needs to know you have a gun.

 

[nickqt]

Who are you referring to?

I've literally never heard anyone ever in the entire world say that would happen.

You must not read these forums where people say that exact thing.

Or I'm totally wrong, and not one time, anywhere, does anyone reference buying back firearms or outright confiscating them.

 

[Pohemi]

First of all I HATE the new "quote" format sans visible HTML.

Ditto, QFT.

Far as I know if you get pulled over and have a "CCL" you are REQUIRED BY LAW to notify the officer immediately or you just might get arrested/shot. (and I won't have any sympathy for you at all)

If the officer asks if you are armed, THEN you need to inform them. Otherwise, you are under no obligation to offer that information...at least that's the law here in WI. "No duty to inform" is the summary of the law.

In certain circumstances, it'd obviously be wise to tell them, even if not legally obligated.

 

[Vic]

@skyking Please don't victim blame.

 

[sportage]

Live by the gun, die by the gun.
Or if you're a child, die by the gun and forget the living part.
People may think it fun to wave their gun rights around, but the police don't and won't and never have.
Next on the NRA agenda, laws where police can no longer shoot someone with a gun regardless where that gun is pointed. Wouldn't want to lose any potential NRA members, or their membership dues.

 

[Captante]

Ditto, QFT.

If the officer asks if you are armed, THEN you need to inform them. Otherwise, you are under no obligation to offer that information.

Idk man.... personally I like my survival-odds dramatically better if the LEO isn't surprised by my weapon being there if they decide to take a look. (and if they run your name they'll be finding out anyway.... plus will NOT be happy you didn't speak up)

 

[sportage]

As with MLK and race equality, I too have a dream of the day when guns are limited only to law enforcement. When there are no assault weapons of any kind, and when people settle their differences the old fashion way.... using the middle finger.

 

[Pohemi]

Idk man.... personally I like my survival-odds dramatically better if the LEO isn't surprised by my weapon being there if they decide to take a look. (and if they run your name they'll be finding out anyway.... plus will NOT be happy you didn't speak up)

Yeah, I edited my post to add that notion...sometimes it's just wise to inform them even if not required.

Also: running your license/name will NOT show CCW info in most states. They are not interconnected and police will not be able to tell if you have one just from your record.

FWIW, I know several others with CCWs who explained that if they are pulled over and carrying concealed, they will simply hand the officer their CCL with their drivers lic. and vehicle reg. and insurance info, it just gives them the heads up.