Part of me wishes I could believe something like that. I dunno....I still need some sort of REASON to believe, other than if you don't you go to hell. I've searched my heart and looked at the world and I see no evidence of god, or a good reason to believe. My mom says when you witness the birth of a child it leaves you with no doubt about gods existence....I just see biology. Oh well I am very happy with no god in my life and I sure can't make myself believe just because people say I will be happier that way.
Part of me wishes I could believe something like that. I dunno....I still need some sort of REASON to believe, other than if you don't you go to hell. I've searched my heart and looked at the world and I see no evidence of god, or a good reason to believe. My mom says when you witness the birth of a child it leaves you with no doubt about gods existence....I just see biology. Oh well I am very happy with no god in my life and I sure can't make myself believe just because people say I will be happier that way.
datalink7
Lifer
- Jan 23, 2001
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I talk about it all the time. There are these religious people who go around campus asking if they can talk about Jesus with you. I bump into them a couple times a month. They are very nice, and not pushy, and I almost always say yes if I have the time. They are always suprised at the end when I say I'm an Atheist. I guess they believe all Atheists are loud mouthed arrogant SOB's.
Anyway, the point is, I've been talking to these people for 3 years now. But I've found my truth already. Since I decided that yes, I truely was an Atheist I've never been happier. I used to be depressed, but now I'm not. I used to have self confidence issues, but now I can give a class presentation with no problems at all. I am more even more stress free. My grades have shot up.
It is all well and fine that your truth is to follow Jesus. If that makes you a happier, better person, then I wholheartedly support you in your belief. But don't presume that it is for everybody. Because it certainly isn't. It wasn't for me.
Peace
Originally posted by: datalink7
I talk about it all the time. There are these religious people who go around campus asking if they can talk about Jesus with you. I bump into them a couple times a month. They are very nice, and not pushy, and I almost always say yes if I have the time. They are always suprised at the end when I say I'm an Atheist. I guess they believe all Atheists are loud mouthed arrogant SOB's.
Anyway, the point is, I've been talking to these people for 3 years now. But I've found my truth already. Since I decided that yes, I truely was an Atheist I've never been happier. I used to be depressed, but now I'm not. I used to have self confidence issues, but now I can give a class presentation with no problems at all. I am more even more stress free. My grades have shot up.
It is all well and fine that your truth is to follow Jesus. If that makes you a happier, better person, then I wholheartedly support you in your belief. But don't presume that it is for everybody. Because it certainly isn't. It wasn't for me.
Peace
Amen :heart:
Originally posted by: EXman
Jesus Loves you heathens!!!!
me I love to dislike many of smartypants here that think they are too smart for religion. You better be right...
me I love to dislike many of dummypants here that think they are too dumb for atheism. You better be right....imagine if this is all you get and you waste it! :Q
Originally posted by: TheBDB
Originally posted by: EXman
Jesus Loves you heathens!!!!
me I love to dislike many of smartypants here that think they are too smart for religion. You better be right...
me I love to dislike many of dummypants here that think they are too dumb for atheism. You better be right....imagine if this is all you get and you waste it! :Q
This is all you get..... In the flesh, until the second coming. This is the time to prepare for that promised eventuality. Wasting the oppurtunity to repent and be saved by faith in Jesus Christ is not something to trivialize. You may die tommorow in a car wreck. Wouldn't it be too bad if a person had not "prepared" to meet his maker before the death of the flesh? The soul will be in paradise, but exaltation is the goal, not sitting around in paradise wishing you had done something different when you were alive in the flesh.
Food for thought, huh?
Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Originally posted by: TheBDB
Originally posted by: EXman
Jesus Loves you heathens!!!!
me I love to dislike many of smartypants here that think they are too smart for religion. You better be right...
me I love to dislike many of dummypants here that think they are too dumb for atheism. You better be right....imagine if this is all you get and you waste it! :Q
This is all you get..... In the flesh, until the second coming. This is the time to prepare for that promised eventuality. Wasting the oppurtunity to repent and be saved by faith in Jesus Christ is not something to trivialize. You may die tommorow in a car wreck. Wouldn't it be too bad if a person had not "prepared" to meet his maker before the death of the flesh? The soul will be in paradise, but exaltation is the goal, not sitting around in paradise wishing you had done something different when you were alive in the flesh.
Food for thought, huh?
No.
I like to classify myself as spiritual rather than religious.
I believe that we are God's experience of Himself (or Herself if you like). God is love. For us to experience ourselves as love, God created the illusion of fear. For example, to know hot, you need to know cold. To know up, you need to know down. To experience ourselves as Love, or in other words, as part of God, I believe it takes many many lifetimes in this illusion... 100s perhaps. I don't believe in hell. Why would God eternally torment his own creation? That doesn't make sense. That is not a God of Love.
I do believe in the existence of Jesus. I believe that He was the "Son of God", because He truly lived a life of true love and conquered human fear and "death." BUt I don't believe He was the only one.... there have been others such as Buddha. I don't believe that Mohommad was very advanced because his experience was a very carnal one. But as far Jesus goes, I believe we are all on a path to become just like Him, but it will take many many lifetimes to achieve. We are all "Sons of God" but we do not truly realize it. Jesus did.
I guess I have a combination of eastern and Christian beliefs.
I believe that we are God's experience of Himself (or Herself if you like). God is love. For us to experience ourselves as love, God created the illusion of fear. For example, to know hot, you need to know cold. To know up, you need to know down. To experience ourselves as Love, or in other words, as part of God, I believe it takes many many lifetimes in this illusion... 100s perhaps. I don't believe in hell. Why would God eternally torment his own creation? That doesn't make sense. That is not a God of Love.
I do believe in the existence of Jesus. I believe that He was the "Son of God", because He truly lived a life of true love and conquered human fear and "death." BUt I don't believe He was the only one.... there have been others such as Buddha. I don't believe that Mohommad was very advanced because his experience was a very carnal one. But as far Jesus goes, I believe we are all on a path to become just like Him, but it will take many many lifetimes to achieve. We are all "Sons of God" but we do not truly realize it. Jesus did.
I guess I have a combination of eastern and Christian beliefs.
datalink7
Lifer
- Jan 23, 2001
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Originally posted by: Tripleshot
Originally posted by: TheBDB
Originally posted by: EXman
Jesus Loves you heathens!!!!
me I love to dislike many of smartypants here that think they are too smart for religion. You better be right...
me I love to dislike many of dummypants here that think they are too dumb for atheism. You better be right....imagine if this is all you get and you waste it! :Q
This is all you get..... In the flesh, until the second coming. This is the time to prepare for that promised eventuality. Wasting the oppurtunity to repent and be saved by faith in Jesus Christ is not something to trivialize. You may die tommorow in a car wreck. Wouldn't it be too bad if a person had not "prepared" to meet his maker before the death of the flesh? The soul will be in paradise, but exaltation is the goal, not sitting around in paradise wishing you had done something different when you were alive in the flesh.
Food for thought, huh?
For me... not really
you are very close to the kingdom indeed bro; But do you let your repentance change your heart? it took me a long while for me to let my heart become clay in the hands of the Lord, i still strugle with it from time to time today.
I've got a friend who's line is "Jesus.. my one.. my only love.. my everything". Living the relationship with Christ is dieing every day, only to be made new again even more in his immage. The focus of the relationship has nothing to do with buildings or other people, or higharchy, or ceramony, it's about humbly submitting yourself each day so that you can brought to the perfict life that God has willed for all who choose him.
that was fine point-counterpoint; welll for your question about "why should i", Joy is a good reason, as is love that we've been shown, that you are forgiven freely and just as you are yet another. I can show you person after person who's havd an infinitly better life after acepting Christ, and i can show you person after person who are just normal people who just have the freedom of the joy of Jesus in their hearts.
Hell isn't some awefull place God punishes people who are evil in, hell is a place that you choose to be in by being away from God, as the definition of hell isn't eternal torcher but eternal seperation from the blessings and sight of God... althogh i know from first-hand experence on earth that a life away from God is like living in a dumpster in comparison to living a life with Jesus.
I didn't allow myself to come to Christ as I was.. this is because whatever it is in my mind that was tricking me knew that when i fealt the love of God I'd want to, not be requierd to, give up all the sin and vice i knew was wrong...
um... did that answer the question?
datalink7
Lifer
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And I can show you person after person who's had an infinitly better life after becoming Atheist (or Buddhist, or Muslim, or Hindu, or Jewish, or etc. etc. etc. etc.)
That's my whole point. Happiness is different for each person as we are all unique. While we might all offer a vision to others of the happiness that we have found, we should not press them to accept it as their own. Help them to find their own happiness. It may be what you believe, but it may not.
The problem is pride that causes death, the love that comes from Christ is a life that never ends because pride in one's own self is replaced with humbleness to God.
I get what your saying about 'to each his own', but the offerings from God in humbleness are different than those of the pride of atheism. If self-centered separation from God is what someone prefers then the end result will be exactly what they want: a life that can't exist in eternity but in prideful separation from God.
But that's not the reason to accept Christ, just the functionality of the freewill choices we make in life. To accept Christ is simply to reciprocate with just a small part of the love we've already been shown. To have a relationship with Christ is to live in that perpetual love.
Red Dawn
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Nah, just food for wormsOriginally posted by: Tripleshot
Originally posted by: TheBDB
Originally posted by: EXman
Jesus Loves you heathens!!!!
me I love to dislike many of smartypants here that think they are too smart for religion. You better be right...
me I love to dislike many of dummypants here that think they are too dumb for atheism. You better be right....imagine if this is all you get and you waste it! :Q
This is all you get..... In the flesh, until the second coming. This is the time to prepare for that promised eventuality. Wasting the oppurtunity to repent and be saved by faith in Jesus Christ is not something to trivialize. You may die tommorow in a car wreck. Wouldn't it be too bad if a person had not "prepared" to meet his maker before the death of the flesh? The soul will be in paradise, but exaltation is the goal, not sitting around in paradise wishing you had done something different when you were alive in the flesh.
Food for thought, huh?
My God's better than your God,
My God's better than yours,
My God's better than your God,
My God's better than yours.
Dum dum diddle de do dum,
Tum tum tiddle de tum,
Tum tum diddle de dum dum
Tum tum tiddle de tum.
In order to know God you must climb the the volcano said the one.
No no, said the next, you must go into the forest in a storm and wait till He strikes a tree.
No said the third, you must pray and rub two sticks.
Preposterous said a forth, you must strike flint.
Hehe, said the fifth, everybody knows you just blow on and feed the sacred coal.
There is no God said the last as he ate his dinner raw while the others looked at the stove with longing.
My God's better than yours,
My God's better than your God,
My God's better than yours.
Dum dum diddle de do dum,
Tum tum tiddle de tum,
Tum tum diddle de dum dum
Tum tum tiddle de tum.
In order to know God you must climb the the volcano said the one.
No no, said the next, you must go into the forest in a storm and wait till He strikes a tree.
No said the third, you must pray and rub two sticks.
Preposterous said a forth, you must strike flint.
Hehe, said the fifth, everybody knows you just blow on and feed the sacred coal.
There is no God said the last as he ate his dinner raw while the others looked at the stove with longing.
Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!
Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow!
Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!
Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow!
Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!
kage69
Lifer
- Jul 17, 2003
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I adhere to no particular religion as they're all poppycock, plain and simple. Make your metaphorical quips, cite passages of your preferred 'holy' book, feign sympathy for 'unbelievers' such as myself - whatever - circular reasoning and an appreciation for mythology aren't going to remake the cosmos in tune with your chosen religious subscription (but hey, if it makes you happy and content, more power to ya).
To assume the fix is power is to assume, is it not, you know something about God or that power is what you get from belief?
Ah, but those men do what they do and claim to do it in the name of "God".
Who is the keeper of the faith, who can tell you what is really the truth?
For you, only you can.
Much has been done in the name of "God" and much will be done in the name of "God", most of it actions that men don't want to be responsible for so they say it is "Gods" will.
To me all gods, races, countries are the same, we are men, no matter how much we try to blame it on some higher force, we are ALL responsible for what we do, no matter which god we may pray to.
To claim it is the will of god is something that both christians and muslim fundamentals do when they know they are doing something wrong.
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