Do you hate rap? Come on in.

[Rip the Jacker]

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: ItmPls

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: ItmPls

I know it's not going to get marked down and the person with the smaller vocabulary will probably pass but it still won't be on the level of the person with the larger vocabulary.

But in reality, the person with the larger vocabulary is better than the person with the smaller vocabulary.

Or at least that's how I view it.

Ok, I think that tells us all we need to know.
Thank you very much, now where's the ignore user option on the forums?
Wait, shoudl I have used bigger words to say all that?
OMG, maybe I'm not as good as someone who uses bigger words then me
Wait, OMG? Maybe I should expand that so it doesn't look so small and simple, and make me look small and simple

Maybe I gave you the impression that every rap song is more lyrical than any rock song. No. There are some rap songs that aren't as lyrical as 'When I'm Flowin', but the story telling, metaphors, references are superior (IMO) to songs such as Bob Dylans which give me no illusion.

When I close my eyes, I can't picture it.
That's when Bob Dylan sings it.

Now, when Nas does some story telling, I can picture it.

Why is that?

Because you already have a bias towards Nas?

Edit: You changed artists.

Ok. How about Slick Rick?

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: ItmPls

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: ItmPls

Originally posted by: MustangSVT

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: ItmPls

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
I havent seen any college courses where part of it is studying the meaning behind Rakim's lyrics...

Please link me to some Bob Dylan lyric courses.

ENG 280-01 The Folk Music Revival
Lebeaux TR 10:00?11:40
An exploration of the folk music revival of the 1960s, its roots in the decades that preceded it, and its legacy. We will consider the many cultural, historical, political, and musical influences that culminated in the folk revival; the emergence of folk music into the mainstream of popular culture; and the significance of the folk revival in the context of the 1960s and American culture. We will read about, listen to, discuss and interpret the music and achievements of such individuals and groups as Woody Guthrie, Leadbelly, Pete Seeger, the Almanac Singers, the Weavers, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Phil Ochs, and we will consider other musical figures/groups/single-songwriters, events, and developments associated with the folk (and folk-rock) scene. (Course also listed as AMST 250.)

LINK

lol pwned

and you failed to pwn me pwned. go nef somewhere else.

No dude, you got pwned.
You asked for a course on Dylan lyrics, 99% sure you weren't expecting one, and then someone posted one.
That = pwned, you got what you wanted when you didn't think you'd get it.
You issued a challenge, got served, and now you want out, so you = pwned.
PWNED PWNED PWNED
and, err, PWNED.
Accept it.

To tell you the truth, I was expecting it.. because it seems like almost every person who hates hip hop worships him. And the people who listen to Bob Dylan are too ignorant to even bother listening to Hip Hop artists.

The same goes with the people who make these courses. They don't realize anyone else's poetic / lyrical skills because they're just too damn ignorant to bother listening to them as the case with all of you rap haters.

Bob Dylan is not as lyrical as Rakim. Why does no one study him? Because they're just too damn ignorant to even bother reading / learning about him.

no, it's because RAP SUCKS

 

[Rip the Jacker]

Originally posted by: hans030390
i hate rap.

do you want to point out why?

-Thanks

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: ItmPls
Comparing the best rappers to any other artist from any other genre of music is like comparing essays from College (rap) to High School (any other genre)

Considering this point of view you are obviously a complete idiot with no taste or brainpower so posting anything is a waste of time since you would not comprehend it anyway. "Please drive through." Get used to repeating that a lot in your future.

 

[Rip the Jacker]

Originally posted by: kogase
Many, many poets and librettists of old would tear that apart. Regardless, here's one of my personal favorites:

Am Abend da es kühle war,
ward Adams Fallen offenbar,
am Abend drücket ihn der Heiland nieder,
am Abend kam die Taube wieder
und trug ein Ölblatt in dem Munde,
o schöne Zeit, o Abendstunde!
Der Friedensschluß ist nun mit Gott gemacht;
denn Jesus hat sein Kreuz vollbracht,
sein Leichnam kömmt zur Ruh,
ach, liebe Seele, bitte du,
geh, lasse dir den toten Jesum schenken,
o heilsames, o köstlichs Angedenken!

Mind translating that?

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Originally posted by: ItmPls

Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3

Originally posted by: ItmPls

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: ItmPls

I know it's not going to get marked down and the person with the smaller vocabulary will probably pass but it still won't be on the level of the person with the larger vocabulary.

But in reality, the person with the larger vocabulary is better than the person with the smaller vocabulary.

Or at least that's how I view it.

Ok, I think that tells us all we need to know.
Thank you very much, now where's the ignore user option on the forums?
Wait, shoudl I have used bigger words to say all that?
OMG, maybe I'm not as good as someone who uses bigger words then me
Wait, OMG? Maybe I should expand that so it doesn't look so small and simple, and make me look small and simple

Maybe I gave you the impression that every rap song is more lyrical than any rock song. No. There are some rap songs that aren't as lyrical as 'When I'm Flowin', but the story telling, metaphors, references are superior (IMO) to songs such as Bob Dylans which give me no illusion.

When I close my eyes, I can't picture it.
That's when Bob Dylan sings it.

Now, when Nas does some story telling, I can picture it.

Why is that?

Because you already have a bias towards Nas?

Edit: You changed artists.

Ok. How about Slick Rick?

Ok. How about the Bob Marley? The Rolling Stones? Led Zeppelin?
I can name artists too.

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: ItmPls

Originally posted by: kogase
Many, many poets and librettists of old would tear that apart. Regardless, here's one of my personal favorites:

Am Abend da es kühle war,
ward Adams Fallen offenbar,
am Abend drücket ihn der Heiland nieder,
am Abend kam die Taube wieder
und trug ein Ölblatt in dem Munde,
o schöne Zeit, o Abendstunde!
Der Friedensschluß ist nun mit Gott gemacht;
denn Jesus hat sein Kreuz vollbracht,
sein Leichnam kömmt zur Ruh,
ach, liebe Seele, bitte du,
geh, lasse dir den toten Jesum schenken,
o heilsames, o köstlichs Angedenken!

Mind translating that?

In the evening there it cools was obvious, ward Adam's traps, in the evening depresses it, in the evening came back the pigeon for the welfare and and carried an oil sheet in the mouth, o beautiful time, o evening hour! The peace treaty is now made with God; because Jesus achieved its cross, its body koemmt to rests, oh, dear soul, please you, goes, lets to you the dead Jesum give, o of heilsames, o koestlichs Angedenken!

 

[Rip the Jacker]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: ItmPls

Originally posted by: kogase
Many, many poets and librettists of old would tear that apart. Regardless, here's one of my personal favorites:

Am Abend da es kühle war,
ward Adams Fallen offenbar,
am Abend drücket ihn der Heiland nieder,
am Abend kam die Taube wieder
und trug ein Ölblatt in dem Munde,
o schöne Zeit, o Abendstunde!
Der Friedensschluß ist nun mit Gott gemacht;
denn Jesus hat sein Kreuz vollbracht,
sein Leichnam kömmt zur Ruh,
ach, liebe Seele, bitte du,
geh, lasse dir den toten Jesum schenken,
o heilsames, o köstlichs Angedenken!

Mind translating that?

In the evening there it cools was obvious, ward Adam's traps, in the evening depresses it, in the evening came back the pigeon for the welfare and and carried an oil sheet in the mouth, o beautiful time, o evening hour! The peace treaty is now made with God; because Jesus achieved its cross, its body koemmt to rests, oh, dear soul, please you, goes, lets to you the dead Jesum give, o of heilsames, o koestlichs Angedenken!

That's pretty descriptive. By the way, which song were you referring to when you said "rip that apart" ?

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
In the evening there it cools was obvious, ward Adam's traps, in the evening depresses it, in the evening came back the pigeon for the welfare and and carried an oil sheet in the mouth, o beautiful time, o evening hour! The peace treaty is now made with God; because Jesus achieved its cross, its body koemmt to rests, oh, dear soul, please you, goes, lets to you the dead Jesum give, o of heilsames, o koestlichs Angedenken!

Heh.

In the evening, when it was cool,
Adam?s fall was manifest;
in the evening, the Savior
overcame it;
in the evening, the dove returned
bearing an olive leaf in its beak.
Oh lovely time! Oh evening hour!
Peace with God
is now concluded;
for Jesus has endured his cross;
his body comes to rest.
Oh, dear soul, make your request:
go, bid them give you the dead Jesus,
oh salvific, oh precious remembrance!

Still, reading an English translation is nothing like hearing it performed in German.

Edit: By the way, I was referring to the song in your OP.

 

[Proletariat]

Dude give it up people just hate rap here.

Even the really good sh!t like NWA or Public Enemy.

The sad thing is their idea of a good song is probably this:

"shut up when I'm talking to you
shut up shut up shut up
shut up when I'm talking to you
shut up shut up shut up shut up
I?m about to break"

Their views don't carry much weight.

The funny thing is that their beloved Dylan almost always sounds better when covered. In fact I suspect a lot of his fame came from better artists like Hendrix and Rage Against the Machine (a Rock/Hip-Hop act) making amazing versions of his original crappy songs.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
In fact I suspect a lot of his fame came from better artists like Hendrix and Rage Against the Machine (a Rock/Hip-Hop act) making amazing versions of his original crappy songs.

... I'm not a big fan of Dylan, but that's just flat out wrong.

 

[Sunbird]

I like my rap...... Look below!

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: ItmPls
Comparing the best rappers to any other artist from any other genre of music is like comparing essays from College (rap) to High School (any other genre)

Considering this point of view you are obviously a complete idiot with no taste or brainpower so posting anything is a waste of time since you would not comprehend it anyway. "Please drive through." Get used to repeating that a lot in your future.

Dude go clean your boots and drink or something redneck.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Proletariat
In fact I suspect a lot of his fame came from better artists like Hendrix and Rage Against the Machine (a Rock/Hip-Hop act) making amazing versions of his original crappy songs.

... I'm not a big fan of Dylan, but that's just flat out wrong.

You're saying that RATM and Hendrix's covers of Maggies Farm and All Along the Watchtower didn't get more critical praise, popularity, and weren't more influential?

You'd just be flat out wrong then; listen to both version of each song and tell me which one is better. Dylan just had good lyrics but his voice and his guitar playing were just annoying. Dylan's lyrics were mostly about social inequity and the like, which interestingly enough is what a lot of good rap and hip-hop artists sing about.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
You're saying that RATM and Hendrix's covers of Maggies Farm and All Along the Watchtower didn't get more critical praise, popularity, and weren't more influential?

You'd just be flat out wrong then; listen to both version of each song and tell me which one is better. Dylan just had good lyrics but his voice and his guitar playing were just annoying. Dylan's lyrics were mostly about social inequity and the like, which interestingly enough is what a lot of good rap and hip-hop artists sing about.

That a few of Dylan's unpopular songs were made popular by other artists says nothing to the dozens of songs as performed by him that made Dylan a superstar.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Proletariat
You're saying that RATM and Hendrix's covers of Maggies Farm and All Along the Watchtower didn't get more critical praise, popularity, and weren't more influential?

You'd just be flat out wrong then; listen to both version of each song and tell me which one is better. Dylan just had good lyrics but his voice and his guitar playing were just annoying. Dylan's lyrics were mostly about social inequity and the like, which interestingly enough is what a lot of good rap and hip-hop artists sing about.

That a few of Dylan's unpopular songs were made popular by other artists says nothing to the dozens of songs as performed by him that made Dylan a superstar.

All Along the Watchtower and Maggies Farm were unpopular? Ok I think I'm done with this.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming: FVCK RAPPP!!!

Edit: You do know that both of those songs are on Essential Bob Dylan, right?

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
All Along the Watchtower and Maggies Farm were unpopular? Ok I think I'm done with this.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming: FVCK RAPPP!!!

Edit: You do know that both of those songs are on Essential Bob Dylan, right?

Okay... to quote myself: I'm not a big fan of Dylan

I don't really know that much of his repertoir. I do know of his relative level of fame. I could name a few songs off the top of my head, and the fact that I can name these makes them his "most popular" as far as I'm concerned:

Mr. Tambourine Man
Hurricane
The Times They are A'Changin'
Just Like a Woman
Like a Rolling Stone

Of course, that all does little to detract from my point. Dylan was a huge star, and is still considered one of Americas greatest musicians. Jimi Hendrix is remembered as a great guitarist. RATM... heh.

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Proletariat
All Along the Watchtower and Maggies Farm were unpopular? Ok I think I'm done with this.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming: FVCK RAPPP!!!

Edit: You do know that both of those songs are on Essential Bob Dylan, right?

Okay... to quote myself: I'm not a big fan of Dylan

I don't really know that much of his repertoir. I do know of his relative level of fame. I could name a few songs off the top of my head, and the fact that I can name these makes them his "most popular" as far as I'm concerned:

Mr. Tambourine Man
Hurricane
The Times They are A'Changin'
Just Like a Woman
Like a Rolling Stone

Of course, that all does little to detract from my point. Dylan was a huge star, and is still considered one of Americas greatest musicians. Jimi Hendrix is remembered as a great guitarist. RATM... heh.

I forgot about Knockin on Heavens Door by Guns and Roses. Another cover better than the original.

As for the RATM comment, SPIN would be interested to hear that and so would a lot of others. They are widely considered some of the best musicians of the 90's and probably in American history, regardless of whether you agree with their lyrics.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
As for the RATM comment, SPIN would be interested to hear that and so would a lot of others. They are widely considered some of the best musicians of the 90's and probably in American history, regardless of whether you agree with their lyrics.

First I've heard of it.

 

[Fenixgoon]

please let me know when chris cornell writes a song that goes "put yo' hood up x5, put you c**t up x5" over and over

rock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&gt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>&gt
>>>>>>>>>> cRAP

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
please let me know when chris cornell writes a song that goes "put yo' hood up x5, put you c**t up x5" over and over

rock >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> cRAP

Please tell me when Chris Cornell stops whining about the same things he did when he was 18.

 

[yosuke188]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
I hate rap

 

[squirrel dog]

Get yo asx up in the super dome de stom bees comin . Charles .

 

[Squisher]

Rap is mostly bad poetry recited in front of a drum machine.

So, you came up with one rapper who puts some time into his poetry. There might be others, but not many.

 

[quakefiend420]

ok i just have to pop back in here one more time

to the OP saying his rapper is better than bob dylan...you know he also played guitar, harmonica, and the tambourine...at the same time...while singing...that, my friend, is talent