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Rip the Jacker

Diamond Member
Dec 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: Xafgoat
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Comparing the best rappers to any other artist from any other genre of music is like comparing essays from College (rap) to High School (any other genre)

I doubt too many rappers graduated highschool let alone made it too college.

Nas dropped out of school when he was in the 9th grade.

And Illmatic's storytelling, metaphors, lyrics > Any music I've heard so far.

 

MustangSVT

Lifer
Oct 7, 2000
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12
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Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
I havent seen any college courses where part of it is studying the meaning behind Rakim's lyrics...

Please link me to some Bob Dylan lyric courses.

ENG 280-01 The Folk Music Revival
Lebeaux TR 10:00?11:40
An exploration of the folk music revival of the 1960s, its roots in the decades that preceded it, and its legacy. We will consider the many cultural, historical, political, and musical influences that culminated in the folk revival; the emergence of folk music into the mainstream of popular culture; and the significance of the folk revival in the context of the 1960s and American culture. We will read about, listen to, discuss and interpret the music and achievements of such individuals and groups as Woody Guthrie, Leadbelly, Pete Seeger, the Almanac Singers, the Weavers, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Phil Ochs, and we will consider other musical figures/groups/single-songwriters, events, and developments associated with the folk (and folk-rock) scene. (Course also listed as AMST 250.)

LINK

lol pwned :D
 

Rip the Jacker

Diamond Member
Dec 29, 2004
5,415
1
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Originally posted by: MustangSVT
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
I havent seen any college courses where part of it is studying the meaning behind Rakim's lyrics...

Please link me to some Bob Dylan lyric courses.

ENG 280-01 The Folk Music Revival
Lebeaux TR 10:00?11:40
An exploration of the folk music revival of the 1960s, its roots in the decades that preceded it, and its legacy. We will consider the many cultural, historical, political, and musical influences that culminated in the folk revival; the emergence of folk music into the mainstream of popular culture; and the significance of the folk revival in the context of the 1960s and American culture. We will read about, listen to, discuss and interpret the music and achievements of such individuals and groups as Woody Guthrie, Leadbelly, Pete Seeger, the Almanac Singers, the Weavers, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Phil Ochs, and we will consider other musical figures/groups/single-songwriters, events, and developments associated with the folk (and folk-rock) scene. (Course also listed as AMST 250.)

LINK

lol pwned :D

and you failed to pwn me :) pwned. go nef somewhere else.
 
Aug 26, 2004
14,685
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76
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MustangSVT
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
I havent seen any college courses where part of it is studying the meaning behind Rakim's lyrics...

Please link me to some Bob Dylan lyric courses.

ENG 280-01 The Folk Music Revival
Lebeaux TR 10:00?11:40
An exploration of the folk music revival of the 1960s, its roots in the decades that preceded it, and its legacy. We will consider the many cultural, historical, political, and musical influences that culminated in the folk revival; the emergence of folk music into the mainstream of popular culture; and the significance of the folk revival in the context of the 1960s and American culture. We will read about, listen to, discuss and interpret the music and achievements of such individuals and groups as Woody Guthrie, Leadbelly, Pete Seeger, the Almanac Singers, the Weavers, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Phil Ochs, and we will consider other musical figures/groups/single-songwriters, events, and developments associated with the folk (and folk-rock) scene. (Course also listed as AMST 250.)

LINK

lol pwned :D

and you failed to pwn me :) pwned. go nef somewhere else.

actually i pwned you a couple times, you're just too dumb to realize it

Originally posted by: quakefiend420


why would it not make sense, you could be talking about your worst patients or something

so if that was the case, by your logic, i would be the greatest rapper alive, right?

btw, you never responded to this
 

Lonyo

Lifer
Aug 10, 2002
21,938
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Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: quakefiend420


one more then i'm out

so if i made a rap made up entirely of medical terms and long disease names and made it rhyme i would be the greatest rapper ever to walk the earth?

No. Use complex words instead of simple words but STILL MAKE SENSE. That's the whole point. It's like a 3rd grader using BAD and a 8th grader using PITIFUL. BAD is of course a more simple and commonly used word. PITIFUL goes a little further.

Do ya get what I'm saying?

I'll use the comparison I used previously. Comparing an essay of a High Schooler to a College level student. The College level student's vocabulary is larger than the High School student's. But, the College student still makes sense even though the words he chose are more complex.

Still don't get what I'm saying?

Threw some chords together
The combination D-E-F
Is who I am, is what I do
No one's gonna let it down for you
Try to focus my attention
But I feel so A-D-D
I need some help, some inspiration
(But it's not coming easily)
Whoah oh...

Trying to find the magic
Trying to write a classic
Don't you know, don't you know, don't you know?
Waste-bin full of paper
Clever rhymes, see you later

These words are my own
From my heart flown
I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you
There's no other way
To better say
I love you, I love you...

Read some Byron, Shelly and Keats
Recited in over a Hip-Hop beat
I'm having trouble saying what I mean
With dead poets and drum machines
I know I had some studio time booked
But I couldn't find a killer hook
Now you're gonna raise the bar right up
Nothing I write is ever good enough

These words are my own
From my heart flown
I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you
There's no other way
To better say
I love you, I love you...

I'm getting off my stage
The curtains pull away
No hyper bowl to hide behind
My naked soul exposes
Whoah.. oh.. oh.. oh.. Whoah.. oh..

Trying to find the magic
Trying to write a classic
Waste-bin full of paper
Clever rhymes, see you later

These words are my own
From my heart flown
I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you
There's no other way
To better say
I love you...

I love you, is that okay...?



You don't need to use big words when often little ones say it better.
Yes, that is also a song ^^ Pop though, not rap or rock or anything else, a simple, effective pop song with short words thay rhyme.
 

Lonyo

Lifer
Aug 10, 2002
21,938
6
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Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MustangSVT
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
I havent seen any college courses where part of it is studying the meaning behind Rakim's lyrics...

Please link me to some Bob Dylan lyric courses.

ENG 280-01 The Folk Music Revival
Lebeaux TR 10:00?11:40
An exploration of the folk music revival of the 1960s, its roots in the decades that preceded it, and its legacy. We will consider the many cultural, historical, political, and musical influences that culminated in the folk revival; the emergence of folk music into the mainstream of popular culture; and the significance of the folk revival in the context of the 1960s and American culture. We will read about, listen to, discuss and interpret the music and achievements of such individuals and groups as Woody Guthrie, Leadbelly, Pete Seeger, the Almanac Singers, the Weavers, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Phil Ochs, and we will consider other musical figures/groups/single-songwriters, events, and developments associated with the folk (and folk-rock) scene. (Course also listed as AMST 250.)

LINK

lol pwned :D

and you failed to pwn me :) pwned. go nef somewhere else.

No dude, you got pwned.
You asked for a course on Dylan lyrics, 99% sure you weren't expecting one, and then someone posted one.
That = pwned, you got what you wanted when you didn't think you'd get it.
You issued a challenge, got served, and now you want out, so you = pwned.
PWNED PWNED PWNED
and, err, PWNED.
Accept it.
 

Rip the Jacker

Diamond Member
Dec 29, 2004
5,415
1
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Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MustangSVT
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
I havent seen any college courses where part of it is studying the meaning behind Rakim's lyrics...

Please link me to some Bob Dylan lyric courses.

ENG 280-01 The Folk Music Revival
Lebeaux TR 10:00?11:40
An exploration of the folk music revival of the 1960s, its roots in the decades that preceded it, and its legacy. We will consider the many cultural, historical, political, and musical influences that culminated in the folk revival; the emergence of folk music into the mainstream of popular culture; and the significance of the folk revival in the context of the 1960s and American culture. We will read about, listen to, discuss and interpret the music and achievements of such individuals and groups as Woody Guthrie, Leadbelly, Pete Seeger, the Almanac Singers, the Weavers, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Phil Ochs, and we will consider other musical figures/groups/single-songwriters, events, and developments associated with the folk (and folk-rock) scene. (Course also listed as AMST 250.)

LINK

lol pwned :D

and you failed to pwn me :) pwned. go nef somewhere else.

No dude, you got pwned.
You asked for a course on Dylan lyrics, 99% sure you weren't expecting one, and then someone posted one.
That = pwned, you got what you wanted when you didn't think you'd get it.
You issued a challenge, got served, and now you want out, so you = pwned.
PWNED PWNED PWNED
and, err, PWNED.
Accept it.

To tell you the truth, I was expecting it.. because it seems like almost every person who hates hip hop worships him. And the people who listen to Bob Dylan are too ignorant to even bother listening to Hip Hop artists.

The same goes with the people who make these courses. They don't realize anyone else's poetic / lyrical skills because they're just too damn ignorant to bother listening to them as the case with all of you rap haters.

Bob Dylan is not as lyrical as Rakim. Why does no one study him? Because they're just too damn ignorant to even bother reading / learning about him.
 

Rip the Jacker

Diamond Member
Dec 29, 2004
5,415
1
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Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MustangSVT
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
I havent seen any college courses where part of it is studying the meaning behind Rakim's lyrics...

Please link me to some Bob Dylan lyric courses.

ENG 280-01 The Folk Music Revival
Lebeaux TR 10:00?11:40
An exploration of the folk music revival of the 1960s, its roots in the decades that preceded it, and its legacy. We will consider the many cultural, historical, political, and musical influences that culminated in the folk revival; the emergence of folk music into the mainstream of popular culture; and the significance of the folk revival in the context of the 1960s and American culture. We will read about, listen to, discuss and interpret the music and achievements of such individuals and groups as Woody Guthrie, Leadbelly, Pete Seeger, the Almanac Singers, the Weavers, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Phil Ochs, and we will consider other musical figures/groups/single-songwriters, events, and developments associated with the folk (and folk-rock) scene. (Course also listed as AMST 250.)

LINK

lol pwned :D

and you failed to pwn me :) pwned. go nef somewhere else.

No dude, you got pwned.
You asked for a course on Dylan lyrics, 99% sure you weren't expecting one, and then someone posted one.
That = pwned, you got what you wanted when you didn't think you'd get it.
You issued a challenge, got served, and now you want out, so you = pwned.
PWNED PWNED PWNED
and, err, PWNED.
Accept it.

Go nef elsewhere if you fail to contribute something other than U GOT PWNED DUDE.
 

Lonyo

Lifer
Aug 10, 2002
21,938
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Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MustangSVT
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
I havent seen any college courses where part of it is studying the meaning behind Rakim's lyrics...

Please link me to some Bob Dylan lyric courses.

ENG 280-01 The Folk Music Revival
Lebeaux TR 10:00?11:40
An exploration of the folk music revival of the 1960s, its roots in the decades that preceded it, and its legacy. We will consider the many cultural, historical, political, and musical influences that culminated in the folk revival; the emergence of folk music into the mainstream of popular culture; and the significance of the folk revival in the context of the 1960s and American culture. We will read about, listen to, discuss and interpret the music and achievements of such individuals and groups as Woody Guthrie, Leadbelly, Pete Seeger, the Almanac Singers, the Weavers, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Phil Ochs, and we will consider other musical figures/groups/single-songwriters, events, and developments associated with the folk (and folk-rock) scene. (Course also listed as AMST 250.)

LINK

lol pwned :D

and you failed to pwn me :) pwned. go nef somewhere else.

No dude, you got pwned.
You asked for a course on Dylan lyrics, 99% sure you weren't expecting one, and then someone posted one.
That = pwned, you got what you wanted when you didn't think you'd get it.
You issued a challenge, got served, and now you want out, so you = pwned.
PWNED PWNED PWNED
and, err, PWNED.
Accept it.

Go nef elsewhere if you fail to contribute something other than U GOT PWNED DUDE.
I contributed in the post above my you getting pwned post, about not needing complex words to say things, mmkay?
 

Rip the Jacker

Diamond Member
Dec 29, 2004
5,415
1
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Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: quakefiend420


one more then i'm out

so if i made a rap made up entirely of medical terms and long disease names and made it rhyme i would be the greatest rapper ever to walk the earth?

No. Use complex words instead of simple words but STILL MAKE SENSE. That's the whole point. It's like a 3rd grader using BAD and a 8th grader using PITIFUL. BAD is of course a more simple and commonly used word. PITIFUL goes a little further.

Do ya get what I'm saying?

I'll use the comparison I used previously. Comparing an essay of a High Schooler to a College level student. The College level student's vocabulary is larger than the High School student's. But, the College student still makes sense even though the words he chose are more complex.

Still don't get what I'm saying?

Threw some chords together
The combination D-E-F
Is who I am, is what I do
No one's gonna let it down for you
Try to focus my attention
But I feel so A-D-D
I need some help, some inspiration
(But it's not coming easily)
Whoah oh...

Trying to find the magic
Trying to write a classic
Don't you know, don't you know, don't you know?
Waste-bin full of paper
Clever rhymes, see you later

These words are my own
From my heart flown
I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you
There's no other way
To better say
I love you, I love you...

Read some Byron, Shelly and Keats
Recited in over a Hip-Hop beat
I'm having trouble saying what I mean
With dead poets and drum machines
I know I had some studio time booked
But I couldn't find a killer hook
Now you're gonna raise the bar right up
Nothing I write is ever good enough

These words are my own
From my heart flown
I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you
There's no other way
To better say
I love you, I love you...

I'm getting off my stage
The curtains pull away
No hyper bowl to hide behind
My naked soul exposes
Whoah.. oh.. oh.. oh.. Whoah.. oh..

Trying to find the magic
Trying to write a classic
Waste-bin full of paper
Clever rhymes, see you later

These words are my own
From my heart flown
I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you
There's no other way
To better say
I love you...

I love you, is that okay...?



You don't need to use big words when often little ones say it better.
Yes, that is also a song ^^ Pop though, not rap or rock or anything else, a simple, effective pop song with short words thay rhyme.

I know. But if you were grading an essay in College where student A's vocabulary was larger than student B's vocabulary but they both made sense, who do you think would get the higher points?

Student A because he took more time studying to get his vocabulary bigger and still made sense after writing the essay.
 

BudAshes

Lifer
Jul 20, 2003
13,992
3,348
146
Dreaming of that face again.
It's bright and blue and shimmering.
Grinning wide
And comforting me with it's three warm and wild eyes.

On my back and tumbling
Down that hole and back again
Rising up
And wiping the webs and the dew from my withered eye.

In... Out... In... Out... In... Out...

A child's rhyme stuck in my head.
It said that life is but a dream.
I've spent so many years in question
to find I've known this all along.

"So good to see you.
I've missed you so much.
So glad it's over.
I've missed you so much
Came out to watch you play.
Why are you running?"

Shroud-ing all the ground around me
Is this holy crow above me.
Black as holes within a memory
And blue as our new second sun.
I stick my hand into his shadow
To pull the pieces from the sand.
Which I attempt to reassemble
To see just who I might have been.
I do not recognize the vessel,
But the eyes seem so familiar.
Like phosphorescent desert buttons
Singing one familiar song...

"So good to see you.
I've missed you so much.
So glad it's over.
I've missed you so much.
Came out to watch you play.
Why are you running away?"

Prying open my third eye.
So good to see you once again.
I thought that you were hiding.
And you thought that I had run away.
Chasing the tail of dogma.
I opened my eye and there we were.

So good to see you once again
I thought that you were hiding from me.
And you thought that I had run away.
Chasing a trail of smoke and reason.

Prying open my third eye
 

Lonyo

Lifer
Aug 10, 2002
21,938
6
81
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: quakefiend420


one more then i'm out

so if i made a rap made up entirely of medical terms and long disease names and made it rhyme i would be the greatest rapper ever to walk the earth?

No. Use complex words instead of simple words but STILL MAKE SENSE. That's the whole point. It's like a 3rd grader using BAD and a 8th grader using PITIFUL. BAD is of course a more simple and commonly used word. PITIFUL goes a little further.

Do ya get what I'm saying?

I'll use the comparison I used previously. Comparing an essay of a High Schooler to a College level student. The College level student's vocabulary is larger than the High School student's. But, the College student still makes sense even though the words he chose are more complex.

Still don't get what I'm saying?

Threw some chords together
The combination D-E-F
Is who I am, is what I do
No one's gonna let it down for you
Try to focus my attention
But I feel so A-D-D
I need some help, some inspiration
(But it's not coming easily)
Whoah oh...

Trying to find the magic
Trying to write a classic
Don't you know, don't you know, don't you know?
Waste-bin full of paper
Clever rhymes, see you later

These words are my own
From my heart flown
I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you
There's no other way
To better say
I love you, I love you...

Read some Byron, Shelly and Keats
Recited in over a Hip-Hop beat
I'm having trouble saying what I mean
With dead poets and drum machines
I know I had some studio time booked
But I couldn't find a killer hook
Now you're gonna raise the bar right up
Nothing I write is ever good enough

These words are my own
From my heart flown
I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you
There's no other way
To better say
I love you, I love you...

I'm getting off my stage
The curtains pull away
No hyper bowl to hide behind
My naked soul exposes
Whoah.. oh.. oh.. oh.. Whoah.. oh..

Trying to find the magic
Trying to write a classic
Waste-bin full of paper
Clever rhymes, see you later

These words are my own
From my heart flown
I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you
There's no other way
To better say
I love you...

I love you, is that okay...?



You don't need to use big words when often little ones say it better.
Yes, that is also a song ^^ Pop though, not rap or rock or anything else, a simple, effective pop song with short words thay rhyme.

I know. But if you were grading an essay in College where student A's vocabulary was larger than student B's vocabulary but they both made sense, who do you think would get the higher points?

Student A because he took more time studying to get his vocabulary bigger and still made sense after writing the essay.

Music/songs aren't about grades, they're about how they work, and if in a song short and simple words work, then it's not going to get "marked down" for that against another song which has longer words.
Maybe a song with only acoustic guitar should auomatically be looked upon less favourably thna one with say 4 different instruments, because it's less complex in terms of the music? That sounds like a good plan.
 

Rip the Jacker

Diamond Member
Dec 29, 2004
5,415
1
76
Originally posted by: Xafgoat
Dreaming of that face again.
It's bright and blue and shimmering.
Grinning wide
And comforting me with it's three warm and wild eyes.

On my back and tumbling
Down that hole and back again
Rising up
And wiping the webs and the dew from my withered eye.

In... Out... In... Out... In... Out...

A child's rhyme stuck in my head.
It said that life is but a dream.
I've spent so many years in question
to find I've known this all along.

"So good to see you.
I've missed you so much.
So glad it's over.
I've missed you so much
Came out to watch you play.
Why are you running?"

Shroud-ing all the ground around me
Is this holy crow above me.
Black as holes within a memory
And blue as our new second sun.
I stick my hand into his shadow
To pull the pieces from the sand.
Which I attempt to reassemble
To see just who I might have been.
I do not recognize the vessel,
But the eyes seem so familiar.
Like phosphorescent desert buttons
Singing one familiar song...

"So good to see you.
I've missed you so much.
So glad it's over.
I've missed you so much.
Came out to watch you play.
Why are you running away?"

Prying open my third eye.
So good to see you once again.
I thought that you were hiding.
And you thought that I had run away.
Chasing the tail of dogma.
I opened my eye and there we were.

So good to see you once again
I thought that you were hiding from me.
And you thought that I had run away.
Chasing a trail of smoke and reason.

Prying open my third eye

The name of the artist and song would be nice.
 

Rip the Jacker

Diamond Member
Dec 29, 2004
5,415
1
76
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: quakefiend420


one more then i'm out

so if i made a rap made up entirely of medical terms and long disease names and made it rhyme i would be the greatest rapper ever to walk the earth?

No. Use complex words instead of simple words but STILL MAKE SENSE. That's the whole point. It's like a 3rd grader using BAD and a 8th grader using PITIFUL. BAD is of course a more simple and commonly used word. PITIFUL goes a little further.

Do ya get what I'm saying?

I'll use the comparison I used previously. Comparing an essay of a High Schooler to a College level student. The College level student's vocabulary is larger than the High School student's. But, the College student still makes sense even though the words he chose are more complex.

Still don't get what I'm saying?

Threw some chords together
The combination D-E-F
Is who I am, is what I do
No one's gonna let it down for you
Try to focus my attention
But I feel so A-D-D
I need some help, some inspiration
(But it's not coming easily)
Whoah oh...

Trying to find the magic
Trying to write a classic
Don't you know, don't you know, don't you know?
Waste-bin full of paper
Clever rhymes, see you later

These words are my own
From my heart flown
I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you
There's no other way
To better say
I love you, I love you...

Read some Byron, Shelly and Keats
Recited in over a Hip-Hop beat
I'm having trouble saying what I mean
With dead poets and drum machines
I know I had some studio time booked
But I couldn't find a killer hook
Now you're gonna raise the bar right up
Nothing I write is ever good enough

These words are my own
From my heart flown
I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you
There's no other way
To better say
I love you, I love you...

I'm getting off my stage
The curtains pull away
No hyper bowl to hide behind
My naked soul exposes
Whoah.. oh.. oh.. oh.. Whoah.. oh..

Trying to find the magic
Trying to write a classic
Waste-bin full of paper
Clever rhymes, see you later

These words are my own
From my heart flown
I love you, I love you, I love you, I love you
There's no other way
To better say
I love you...

I love you, is that okay...?



You don't need to use big words when often little ones say it better.
Yes, that is also a song ^^ Pop though, not rap or rock or anything else, a simple, effective pop song with short words thay rhyme.

I know. But if you were grading an essay in College where student A's vocabulary was larger than student B's vocabulary but they both made sense, who do you think would get the higher points?

Student A because he took more time studying to get his vocabulary bigger and still made sense after writing the essay.

Music/songs aren't about grades, they're about how they work, and if in a song short and simple words work, then it's not going to get "marked down" for that against another song which has longer words.
Maybe a song with only acoustic guitar should auomatically be looked upon less favourably thna one with say 4 different instruments, because it's less complex in terms of the music? That sounds like a good plan.

I know it's not going to get marked down and the person with the smaller vocabulary will probably pass but it still won't be on the level of the person with the larger vocabulary.

But in reality, the person with the larger vocabulary is better than the person with the smaller vocabulary.

Or at least that's how I view it.

 

MartyMcFly3

Lifer
Jan 18, 2003
11,436
29
91
www.youtube.com
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MustangSVT
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
I havent seen any college courses where part of it is studying the meaning behind Rakim's lyrics...

Please link me to some Bob Dylan lyric courses.

ENG 280-01 The Folk Music Revival
Lebeaux TR 10:00?11:40
An exploration of the folk music revival of the 1960s, its roots in the decades that preceded it, and its legacy. We will consider the many cultural, historical, political, and musical influences that culminated in the folk revival; the emergence of folk music into the mainstream of popular culture; and the significance of the folk revival in the context of the 1960s and American culture. We will read about, listen to, discuss and interpret the music and achievements of such individuals and groups as Woody Guthrie, Leadbelly, Pete Seeger, the Almanac Singers, the Weavers, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Phil Ochs, and we will consider other musical figures/groups/single-songwriters, events, and developments associated with the folk (and folk-rock) scene. (Course also listed as AMST 250.)

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lol pwned :D

and you failed to pwn me :) pwned. go nef somewhere else.

No dude, you got pwned.
You asked for a course on Dylan lyrics, 99% sure you weren't expecting one, and then someone posted one.
That = pwned, you got what you wanted when you didn't think you'd get it.
You issued a challenge, got served, and now you want out, so you = pwned.
PWNED PWNED PWNED
and, err, PWNED.
Accept it.

To tell you the truth, I was expecting it.. because it seems like almost every person who hates hip hop worships him. And the people who listen to Bob Dylan are too ignorant to even bother listening to Hip Hop artists.

The same goes with the people who make these courses. They don't realize anyone else's poetic / lyrical skills because they're just too damn ignorant to bother listening to them as the case with all of you rap haters.

Bob Dylan is not as lyrical as Rakim. Why does no one study him? Because they're just too damn ignorant to even bother reading / learning about him.

Why not just say in your OP that whatever we post will be completely ignored and will deem us dumbasses in your eyes?

You asked a question. Plenty of people posted some damn good artists/lyrics that are even studied and analyzed in a college environment. But no, the universities must be dumb to hold classes such as those. What the hell were they thinking? I mean after all, those lyrics are pure and utter garbage in your eyes so clearly they must suck and not be worth anyone's time.

You talk about US being closed minded?
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: ItmPls

I know it's not going to get marked down and the person with the smaller vocabulary will probably pass but it still won't be on the level of the person with the larger vocabulary.

But in reality, the person with the larger vocabulary is better than the person with the smaller vocabulary.

Or at least that's how I view it.

Ok, I think that tells us all we need to know.
Thank you very much, now where's the ignore user option on the forums?
Wait, shoudl I have used bigger words to say all that?
OMG, maybe I'm not as good as someone who uses bigger words then me :(
Wait, OMG? Maybe I should expand that so it doesn't look so small and simple, and make me look small and simple :(
 

Rip the Jacker

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Dec 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: ItmPls

I know it's not going to get marked down and the person with the smaller vocabulary will probably pass but it still won't be on the level of the person with the larger vocabulary.

But in reality, the person with the larger vocabulary is better than the person with the smaller vocabulary.

Or at least that's how I view it.

Ok, I think that tells us all we need to know.
Thank you very much, now where's the ignore user option on the forums?
Wait, shoudl I have used bigger words to say all that?
OMG, maybe I'm not as good as someone who uses bigger words then me :(
Wait, OMG? Maybe I should expand that so it doesn't look so small and simple, and make me look small and simple :(

Maybe I gave you the impression that every rap song is more lyrical than any rock song. No. There are some rap songs that aren't as lyrical as 'When I'm Flowin', but the story telling, metaphors, references are superior (IMO) to songs such as Bob Dylans which give me no illusion.

When I close my eyes, I can't picture it.
That's when Bob Dylan sings it.

Now, when Nas does some story telling, I can picture it.

Why is that?
 

MartyMcFly3

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Jan 18, 2003
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Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: Lonyo
Originally posted by: ItmPls

I know it's not going to get marked down and the person with the smaller vocabulary will probably pass but it still won't be on the level of the person with the larger vocabulary.

But in reality, the person with the larger vocabulary is better than the person with the smaller vocabulary.

Or at least that's how I view it.

Ok, I think that tells us all we need to know.
Thank you very much, now where's the ignore user option on the forums?
Wait, shoudl I have used bigger words to say all that?
OMG, maybe I'm not as good as someone who uses bigger words then me :(
Wait, OMG? Maybe I should expand that so it doesn't look so small and simple, and make me look small and simple :(

Maybe I gave you the impression that every rap song is more lyrical than any rock song. No. There are some rap songs that aren't as lyrical as 'When I'm Flowin', but the story telling, metaphors, references are superior (IMO) to songs such as Bob Dylans which give me no illusion.

When I close my eyes, I can't picture it.
That's when Bob Dylan sings it.

Now, when Nas does some story telling, I can picture it.

Why is that?

Because you already have a bias towards Nas?

Edit: You changed artists.
 

kogase

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Many, many poets and librettists of old would tear that apart. Regardless, here's one of my personal favorites:

Am Abend da es kühle war,
ward Adams Fallen offenbar,
am Abend drücket ihn der Heiland nieder,
am Abend kam die Taube wieder
und trug ein Ölblatt in dem Munde,
o schöne Zeit, o Abendstunde!
Der Friedensschluß ist nun mit Gott gemacht;
denn Jesus hat sein Kreuz vollbracht,
sein Leichnam kömmt zur Ruh,
ach, liebe Seele, bitte du,
geh, lasse dir den toten Jesum schenken,
o heilsames, o köstlichs Angedenken!
 

Pepsi90919

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Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MustangSVT
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
Originally posted by: ItmPls
Originally posted by: MartyMcFly3
I havent seen any college courses where part of it is studying the meaning behind Rakim's lyrics...

Please link me to some Bob Dylan lyric courses.

ENG 280-01 The Folk Music Revival
Lebeaux TR 10:00?11:40
An exploration of the folk music revival of the 1960s, its roots in the decades that preceded it, and its legacy. We will consider the many cultural, historical, political, and musical influences that culminated in the folk revival; the emergence of folk music into the mainstream of popular culture; and the significance of the folk revival in the context of the 1960s and American culture. We will read about, listen to, discuss and interpret the music and achievements of such individuals and groups as Woody Guthrie, Leadbelly, Pete Seeger, the Almanac Singers, the Weavers, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and Phil Ochs, and we will consider other musical figures/groups/single-songwriters, events, and developments associated with the folk (and folk-rock) scene. (Course also listed as AMST 250.)

LINK

lol pwned :D

and you failed to pwn me :) pwned. go nef somewhere else.

actually, he owned you pretty damn good. thanks for coming out.