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Do you feel sorry for Native Americans?

Atreus21 said:
Literally?
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Yes, I'd like to know where he's going with the use of "literally" as well.

I have mixed feelings about the state of the Native American culture. Obviously they got figuratively fvcked in the @ss (which is as far as I'm interested in referencing), but so did blacks and now one is president. Just sayin.
 
No I do not. I'm sure my ancestors were conquered by the Romans, Greeks, the Persians, Attila the Hun etc. So, I want 'My Land' back to.
It's not like they were wiped from the earth. They were absorbed into our society and live normal lives like the rest of us.
 
As someone with native american blood, yes and no.

Yes because Native Americans get shit on compared to other minorities like blacks and Latinos. Look at the redskins as a team mascot; let me know when the african american community allows a team called the Ohio Afros or some shit, with the logo being a headshot of a black dude with a fro and a haircomb in it.

No, because native americans would have been fucked regardless. This isn't some africa shit where we dragged them from their home; the americas WERE their homes. Other countries wanted that land, and would have taken it by force. The native american culture is so different compared to the cultures they encountered that I highly doubt without the assistance they had over the past century tribes would exist as they do today. You'd see maybe a few large hubs but nothing like you do now with reservations. The reservation deal along with general allowance of self-policing makes tribes in todays culture kinda isolated and on their own, which I think they prefer due to many reasons (allows backdoor shady shit, allows their culture to stay unbothered, etc)
 
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No, they are not currently oppressed and can make their lives to be whatever they strive to be.

My roommate in college received over $5K per semester (at the time, in-state tuition was ~$500/semester and housing was another...$600? or so). These were grants, not loans, because he was a full-blooded, reservation-livin' Native American. He ended up buying a classic LeMans and putting several thousand bucks of stereo equipment in it. I don't blame him for taking advantage of the system but he said there were a LOT of funds like that available to Native Americans. He hardly got "fucked in the ass" by his circumstances.
 
I feel sorry for EVERYONE born before 1980 1940 (changed to reflect not feeling sorry for those who experienced the good parts of the 60s).
 
Why stress it though?

Nations of all creeds have been demolished since the dawn of man, and they have assimilated or moved on to where they could, or were wiped out.

We're a needy and violent species, and exceptionally territorial and xenophobic by nature. The Native Americans are fairly lucky in that what came for their land has managed to hold onto that land and allowed them their own segregated lives if so desired. Other cultures or civilizations may have forced them into entirely different land, as is usually the case. Or extremists may come and commit genocide just because.

I, of course, would have preferred it went down differently, more peacefully. But as a rule, Nations and civilizations ill-equipped to defend their land, rarely are allowed to keep it indefinitely. Someone somewhere will eventually march a greater power and take what they want.

While slavery is terrible and importing slavery even worse, the Native Americans are a rare tribal folk who had the grace of luck to be ignored on that matter.
One only need to look toward the Mediterranean, Mesopotamian/Assyrian/Persian and Egyptian regions and their history to see history repeat itself time and time again, usually for the worse.

In other words, I'd love to wish they got dealt a better hand, but the results could have been much worse.
In hindsight, I acknowledge there is little upside to seeing it that way and it changes nothing; but to end in a cliche, it is what it is.
 
destrekor said:
Why stress it though?

Nations of all creeds have been demolished since the dawn of man, and they have assimilated or moved on to where they could, or were wiped out.

We're a needy and violent species, and exceptionally territorial and xenophobic by nature. The Native Americans are fairly lucky in that what came for their land has managed to hold onto that land and allowed them their own segregated lives if so desired. Other cultures or civilizations may have forced them into entirely different land, as is usually the case. Or extremists may come and commit genocide just because.

I, of course, would have preferred it went down differently, more peacefully. But as a rule, Nations and civilizations ill-equipped to defend their land, rarely are allowed to keep it indefinitely. Someone somewhere will eventually march a greater power and take what they want.

While slavery is terrible and importing slavery even worse, the Native Americans are a rare tribal folk who had the grace of luck to be ignored on that matter.
One only need to look toward the Mediterranean, Mesopotamian/Assyrian/Persian and Egyptian regions and their history to see history repeat itself time and time again, usually for the worse.

In other words, I'd love to wish they got dealt a better hand, but the results could have been much worse.
In hindsight, I acknowledge there is little upside to seeing it that way and it changes nothing; but to end in a cliche, it is what it is.
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I think its the irony of it and how its pretty ignored in schools. I think there was half a page devoted to the topic out of my 600 page history book in high school.
 
Somewhat, but it looks like governments in Canada and US are trying to right some of the wrongs.

On the other hand, something is definitely wrong because Native Americans hold some of the worst youth delinquency stats in the Canada. Certain reservations are always having emergencies. Lot of natives are living in poverty on and off the reserves. Major, effed up, complicated issue that isn't being taken care of properly.
 
Mxylplyx said:
That is some stupid shit you just said.
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Myxlplyzx, I see that you have just met nehalem.



Now, that is, indeed, a dumb statement...but in nehalem's defense (something I would almost never do), one difference is that we aren't directly gifting them smallpox today...which some might see as one improvement in the Native American quality of life.
 
AznAnarchy99 said:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally

Its been added to the definition 😀
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That is some seriously stupid shit. I have lost respect for Merriam Webster dictionary. How can a word have two competing definitions?

As for OPs question, yes.

But I am a firm believer in picking yourself up. I am a believer in providing opportunities for success for those that are less privileged, but I am not a believer in simply handing success over in any way.
 
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