Do you feel aggrieved?

[Moonbeam]

People Are Sharing Things That Rich People Have "Ruined" For Everyone Else

"It used to be for the masses — but now is totally out of reach for most people."

www.buzzfeed.com

Is it really the rich with too much money or too many people chasing too little supply or blue collar wages falling to far behind?

Where are we going as a society? Are people aggrieved or is this just what we have to accept? Eventually, perhaps, everybody who remembers anything different will all be dead.

But if a really lot of people feel aggrieved they may want it to end early. Might that have political effects?

Right now I feel aggrieved by paywalls. I saw a Google News link about Wall Street having 110 billion ready to pounce on housing due to declining prices I presume that I was blocked from reading. Used to be able to sit in a coffee shop and read the news for free that someone before be would leave.

I also got some Costco choice sirloin that deserved an 80,000 mile tire warranty.

What’s your beef?

 

[biostud]

On one hand I admire people starting a business and are able to grow it and in that process become extremely wealthy. On the other hand there has to some regulations and a strong state that keeps them in check so that they cannot disrupt the democratic state and the free market.

 

[Moonbeam]

On one hand I admire people starting a business and are able to grow it and in that process become extremely wealthy. On the other hand there has to some regulations and a strong state that keeps them in check so that they cannot disrupt the democratic state and the free market.

My opinion is that such regulations almost feel to US citizens, (Stanford says we should not be calling ourselves Americans as members of only one of 42 American nations) to be antithetical to the American Dream.

Dreams are called dreams I suppose, owing to how few ever come true, on the one hand, while they can easily become a sacred cow we hang onto for the ego gratification called hope.

I don’t see USers psychologically predisposed to support such checks.

But that is a big source of dissatisfaction for me. The link points to a few wealthy causing mass misery and mass dissatisfaction, but who won’t fix it….

 

[Perknose]

I recently watched Fucker Carlson spew shite about Zelensky, against my better judgement. So, YEAH, I'm aggrieved. Festivus can't come too soon.

 

[biostud]

My opinion is that such regulations almost feel to US citizens, (Stanford says we should not be calling ourselves Americans as members of only one of 42 American nations) to be antithetical to the American Dream.

Dreams are called dreams I suppose, owing to how few ever come true, on the one hand, while they can easily become a sacred cow we hang onto for the ego gratification called hope.

I don’t see USers psychologically predisposed to support such checks.

But that is a big source of dissatisfaction for me. The link points to a few wealthy causing mass misery and mass dissatisfaction, but who won’t fix it….

There's an interesting read about the historical development of the American dream here:

The American dream was rarely, if ever, used to describe the familiar idea of Horatio Alger individual upward social mobility until after the Second World War. Quite the opposite, in fact. In 1899, a Vermont doctor made the news when he built a house with 60 rooms on 4,000 acres, which was described as “the largest country place in America” at the time. It came as a shock to readers, and struck many of them as an “utterly un-American dream” in its inequality: “Until a few years ago the thought of such an estate as that would have seemed a wild and utterly un-American dream to any Vermonter,” one article commented.

A Brief History of the American Dream | George W. Bush Presidential Center

www.bushcenter.org

 

[GodisanAtheist]

My biggest peeve, ESPECIALLY AS A CALIFORNIAN, is the too many people thing.

Everything is fucking turbo crowded here because it was all built with like 1/3 the population in mind. Any theme park is a mad house even on the off season. Beaches, Mountains, National Parks, Freeways, Super Markets, Theater Shows, etc etc etc. FUCKING PACKED. This means price goes up, and because I'm a cheap bastard who always have videogames to fall back on, it makes me not want to go anywhere or do anything.

That funny old saying always comes to mind "No one goes there anymore cause its too crowded"

Everytime I hear those clowns from the shithole states complaining about the influx of Californians I always laugh and think "you did it to us first you fucking assholes"

 

[cytg111]

On one hand I admire people starting a business and are able to grow it and in that process become extremely wealthy. On the other hand there has to some regulations and a strong state that keeps them in check so that they cannot disrupt the democratic state and the free market.

I've posted this a few times already, but it bares repeating.
In a nutshell : The American Dream is alive and well... In Scandinavia.
For all the reasons given here:

 

[Moonbeam]

There's an interesting read about the historical development of the American dream here:

Great point. You make me aware that the real grievance I have is with the corruption of the spiritual. This country was founded by people with spiritual values rooted, in my opinion in enlightenment, an inner awakening that was the product of an ancient and hidden stream of mysticism.

The founders were aware of the difference between enlightenment and religious fanatical faith. That is why they called for the separation of church and state. It is sourced, I believe, most strongly in those who retain for reasons perhaps invisible, a deep capacity to feel empathy and the accompanying organic shame that would manifest in their conscience were they to live a life of pleasures and easy while other people are ground down by poverty and misery.

It is that deeply once uniquely USer capacity to hold central to our culture here that has been degraded by competition.

Try to revive that spirit today and you will be called a kook, even though it is what we are unaware it is what we long for.

The beauty about being aggrieved is that it points to the failure of the loss of the right path, the futility of entitlement egotism.

 

[Moonbeam]

My biggest peeve, ESPECIALLY AS A CALIFORNIAN, is the too many people thing.

Everything is fucking turbo crowded here because it was all built with like 1/3 the population in mind. Any theme park is a mad house even on the off season. Beaches, Mountains, National Parks, Freeways, Super Markets, Theater Shows, etc etc etc. FUCKING PACKED. This means price goes up, and because I'm a cheap bastard who always have videogames to fall back on, it makes me not want to go anywhere or do anything.

That funny old saying always comes to mind "No one goes there anymore cause its too crowded"

Everytime I hear those clowns from the shithole states complaining about the influx of Californians I always laugh and think "you did it to us first you fucking assholes"

I hate your parents because I bet I was here before you were. But thank God. We have made such a hell hole of the planet that soon nobody in their right mind will have kids and the average IQ will drop to harmless ape.

 

[biostud]

Great point. You make me aware that the real grievance I have is with the corruption of the spiritual. This country was founded by people with spiritual values rooted, in my opinion in enlightenment, an inner awakening that was the product of an ancient and hidden stream of mysticism.

The founders were aware of the difference between enlightenment and religious fanatical faith. That is why they called for the separation of church and state. It is sourced, I believe, most strongly in those who retain for reasons perhaps invisible, a deep capacity to feel empathy and the accompanying organic shame that would manifest in their conscience were they to live a life of pleasures and easy while other people are ground down by poverty and misery.

It is that deeply once uniquely USer capacity to hold central to our culture here that has been degraded by competition.

Try to revive that spirit today and you will be called a kook, even though it is what we are unaware it is what we long for.

The beauty about being aggrieved is that it points to the failure of the loss of the right path, the futility of entitlement egotism.

As an outsider of US I just recently got know about how much the meaning of the "American dream" had changed throughout your relatively short time as a nation. How many Americans do you think are aware of this? Maybe you need a "American Dream" history week

 

[Moonbeam]

I recently watched Fucker Carlson spew shite about Zelensky, against my better judgement. So, YEAH, I'm aggrieved. Festivus can't come too soon.

Isn’t it today? What can’t come too soon in my opinion is a Jan 6 where the Citizens of the US revolt at the polls and eliminate the Republican Party from politics and end corporate news monopolies.

 

[Moonbeam]

As an outsider of US I just recently got know about how much the meaning of the "American dream" had changed throughout your relatively short time as a nation. How many Americans do you think are aware of this? Maybe you need a "American Dream" history week

That dream that seems forgotten is not owned by any nation but is inalienable in every human child that is born. It is our true nature, in my opinion, not the one we had to create to keep out of consciousness, how deeply we were pressured to measure up and conform by any means necessary.

 

[Leeea]

On one hand I admire people starting a business and are able to grow it and in that process become extremely wealthy. On the other hand there has to some regulations and a strong state that keeps them in check so that they cannot disrupt the democratic state and the free market.

All the wealthy are born wealthy. They have done everything possible to make it so nobody who is not wealthy can become wealthy.


The legal system used as a club to drive people who do create something into bankruptcy,
watch said assets get purchased at bankruptcy by the company doing the lawsuits,
watch the defendant win in court after bankruptcy, but it no longer matters because the plaintiff and the defendant are now the same person.


The American dream is dead.

It does not matter how hard you work,
how clever you are,
if your not rich already your filthy shit,
will always be shit,
and if you do come up with something of wealth you will be bashed over the head and have it taken from you.

 

[biostud]

That dream that seems forgotten is not owned by any nation but is inalienable in every human child that is born. It is our true nature, in my opinion, not the one we had to create to keep out of consciousness, how deeply we were pressured to measure up and conform by any means necessary.

But then why do people keep believing in the false dream.

 

[biostud]

All the wealthy are born wealthy. They have done everything possible to make it so nobody who is not wealthy can become wealthy.


The legal system used as a club to drive people who do create something into bankruptcy,
watch said assets get purchased at bankruptcy by the company doing the lawsuits,
watch the defendant win in court after bankruptcy, but it no longer matters because the plaintiff and the defendant are now the same person.


The American dream is dead.

It does not matter how hard you work,
how clever you are,
if your not rich already your filthy shit,
will always be shit,
and if you do come up with something of wealth you will be bashed over the head and have it taken from you.

I remember and old punk saying: When shit is worth the same as gold, the poor will be born without assholes.

 

[biostud]

All the wealthy are born wealthy. They have done everything possible to make it so nobody who is not wealthy can become wealthy.


The legal system used as a club to drive people who do create something into bankruptcy,
watch said assets get purchased at bankruptcy by the company doing the lawsuits,
watch the defendant win in court after bankruptcy, but it no longer matters because the plaintiff and the defendant are now the same person.


The American dream is dead.

It does not matter how hard you work,
how clever you are,
if your not rich already your filthy shit,
will always be shit,
and if you do come up with something of wealth you will be bashed over the head and have it taken from you.

It might be so in US, but not everywhere in the world.

And really I just admire anyone who starts a business on their own and make it work, they don't have to get rich to get my respect. I have no entrepreneurship or the guts for running my own company so cudos to those who do or try.

 

[Moonbeam]

But then why do people keep believing in the false dream.

In my opinion it is because it is a dream and that is the only wealth the poor have, the only life one can have asleep. But the cause, again in my opinion, is that at the root of all discontent is self hate so painful it causes us to fall asleep, to be unable to bear the memory of pain we suffered from the loss of our real selves, all that love we had to give we were told would, if expressed, get us killed. We soon learned what it is to love the merciless and brutal. Puts you first on the chopping block. Apparently it is rare for someone to become a seeker who does not care what others think. To be openly loving is more dangerous even than being smart because intelligence can easily become cruelty itself.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I hate your parents because I bet I was here before you were. But thank God. We have made such a hell hole of the planet that soon nobody in their right mind will have kids and the average IQ will drop to harmless ape.

- Right? I tell myself that I can complain because I was born here but I know I am a product of one of many immigration waves to California, so my existence means more of the same misery for others who were here before me. Given the logarithmic nature of misery, however, I wouldn't count on others to reign it in. I for one have already helped in creating two additional small Californians to perpetuate my misery from beyond by natural life. If I do my job properly, they will reproduce say two apiece, then two apiece still onward and onward till all of California is populated with my progeny alone.

 

[ivwshane]

For years we were told that automation would make our jobs easier and we would be able to enjoy life more instead of working more and for years this was true. Then (in the 80’s?) the narrative changed and it turned into the narrative that we need to work hard in order to be successful and if you weren’t successful it was because you didn’t work hard enough or didn’t do the right things like go to the right school or made bad choices about where you invested your money.

Well for me when Covid hit, I said to myself I didn’t want to die young only having worked hard my whole life with little too show for it (besides immaterial material things) and so I decided to stop trying to work hard just to move up, just to make a little more money but have even less of my time to myself and I couldn’t be happier.

So now that I’m on the outside of American normal, I see and recognize the amount of stress people are putting themselves though, I see the things they aren’t doing in pursuit of a career and more money and I see all the frustration and unhappiness that comes with it and I see a political party that appears to be doing it’s damnedest to make sure Americans don’t reach the American dream, I see them making sure Americans are frustrated and mad instead of making their lives better and this country better. I see them trying to bring back slavery but in a less objectionable form, I see them beholden to those who already have power and wealth and I see them ignore the people who made this country great and who enabled the rich to get richer and the powerful to become more powerful.

So do I feel aggrieved yeah maybe but more than anything I feel sorry for my fellow Americans and the brainwashing they’ve endured that has enabled them to vote against their own best interests.

 

[hal2kilo]

As an outsider of US I just recently got know about how much the meaning of the "American dream" had changed throughout your relatively short time as a nation. How many Americans do you think are aware of this? Maybe you need a "American Dream" history week

It all happened in the 50's. At least that's what I think people think of when they think about the American dream. They still haven't gotten up to speed on our new reality of quickly disparate outcomes.

 

[Moonbeam]

For years we were told that automation would our jobs easier and we would be able to enjoy life more instead of working more and for years this was true. Then (in the 80’s?) the narrative changed and it turned into the narrative that we need to work hard in order to be successful and if you weren’t successful it was because you didn’t work hard enough or didn’t do the work things like go to the right school or made bad choices about where you invested your money.

Well for me when Covid hit, I said to myself I didn’t want to die young only having worked hard my whole life with little too show for it (besides immaterial material things) and so I decided to stop trying to work hard just to move up, just to make a little more money but have even less of my time to myself and I couldn’t be happier.

So now that I’m on the outside of American normal, I see and recognize the amount of stress people are putting themselves though, I see the things they aren’t doing in pursuit of a career and more money and I see all the frustration and unhappiness that comes with it and I see a political party that appears to be doing it’s damnedest to make sure Americans don’t reach the American dream, I see them making sure Americans are frustrated and mad instead of making their lives better and this country better. I see them trying to bring back slavery but in a less objectionable form, I see them beholden to those who already have power and wealth and I see them ignore the people who made this country great and who enabled the rich to get richer and the powerful to become more powerful.

So do I feel aggrieved yeah maybe but more than anything I feel sorry for my fellow Americans and the brainwashing they’ve endured that has enabled them to vote against their own best interests.

Love you.

 

[Moonbeam]

It all happened in the 50's.

From WE to ME.

 

[Perknose]

It all happened in the 50's. [The American Dream]

It did. Except not for blacks, Mexican braceros, Appalachian poor, or, in many different ways, women.

But it was a shiny, happy time in the newly minted suburbs. And the cars were cool.

 

[cytg111]

For years we were told that automation would our jobs easier and we would be able to enjoy life more instead of working more and for years this was true. Then (in the 80’s?) the narrative changed and it turned into the narrative that we need to work hard in order to be successful and if you weren’t successful it was because you didn’t work hard enough or didn’t do the work things like go to the right school or made bad choices about where you invested your money.

Well for me when Covid hit, I said to myself I didn’t want to die young only having worked hard my whole life with little too show for it (besides immaterial material things) and so I decided to stop trying to work hard just to move up, just to make a little more money but have even less of my time to myself and I couldn’t be happier.

So now that I’m on the outside of American normal, I see and recognize the amount of stress people are putting themselves though, I see the things they aren’t doing in pursuit of a career and more money and I see all the frustration and unhappiness that comes with it and I see a political party that appears to be doing it’s damnedest to make sure Americans don’t reach the American dream, I see them making sure Americans are frustrated and mad instead of making their lives better and this country better. I see them trying to bring back slavery but in a less objectionable form, I see them beholden to those who already have power and wealth and I see them ignore the people who made this country great and who enabled the rich to get richer and the powerful to become more powerful.

So do I feel aggrieved yeah maybe but more than anything I feel sorry for my fellow Americans and the brainwashing they’ve endured that has enabled them to vote against their own best interests.

Heh, I work about 30 hours pr week, cheap house cheap car, plenty of room in the budget and savings to do what I want… I could be living in the capitol and drive a big SUV and do 50h weeks as many of my colleagues do. Busy busy busy… Busy doing what? Getting to the end of the line? Of course this is Scandinavia, so its an entirely different ballgame to begin with.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Too many people would be my peeve. Less people solves most of the problems I have with the world. I don't need to be some rich asshole to be happy in life, I just need to be able to leave the house without some shitbird almost killing me with their 3 ton Canyonaro.