Do you believe the Browning M99 Barrett should be publicly available?

[Abix]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: pontifex
you're a moron.
if they didn't steal them from regular citizens they would steal them from stores or get them illegally through other channels.
guns can be used as a hobby for target shooting. they are sued for hunting which brings food to the table.

If they were illegal, the stores wouldn't have them.

The problem is deeper than just banning guns. The fact that people want them is the worst problem. I'm not the moron. The fact that you don't see the problem is what's so disappointing.

What do you propose for self-defense?

The pen is mightier than the sword! Words will solve all our problems!:roll:

 

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: pontifex
you're a moron.
if they didn't steal them from regular citizens they would steal them from stores or get them illegally through other channels.
guns can be used as a hobby for target shooting. they are sued for hunting which brings food to the table.

If they were illegal, the stores wouldn't have them.

The problem is deeper than just banning guns. The fact that people want them is the worst problem. I'm not the moron. The fact that you don't see the problem is what's so disappointing.

Cocaine is illegal, stores don't have it, and criminals do. What your explaination for that? The problem with your view on the situation is that you are giving everyone the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being a law abiding citizen, if everyone were then there would be no need to defend one's self. But, seeing as this is the real world and violent criminals exist, the law abiding citizen has a need to protect him or herself from those who can and will purchase dangerous weapons through illegal channels and use them, and not for defense.

 

[PCboy]

I prefer the Cheyenne Tactical Intervention with an LRRS system.

 

[ultimatebob]

Umm... I'd be afraid that some people wouldn't realize the penetration power of that gun, and seriously hurt someone when they accidently shoot through a wall and hit somebody. Maybe they should require a training course for weapons that powerful.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: ultimatebob
Umm... I'd be afraid that some people wouldn't realize the penetration power of that gun, and seriously hurt someone when they accidently shoot through a wall and hit somebody. Maybe they should require a training course for weapons that powerful.

I don't think someone would buy a gun like that (which is very expensive) if they didn't know what they were getting into.

 

[Pliablemoose]

LOL at the haters...

Very few crimes are actually committed with automatic weapons, it's the ignorant media that can't tell the difference between semi & full auto, so of course they report that criminals use automatic weapons.

50 cal has been available for years.

 

[drinkmorejava]

You've been able to get m82s forever; I wonder if barrett will make the m107 publicly available once they get their full line going for the military.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

50 cal has been available for years.

And I wonder how many murders have been committed with them. Probably not many. 🙂

 

[Toonces]

it's interesting that so many people justify gun ownership as a method for defending oneself against an armed intruder...

does anyone have statistics from rather current sources of home invasions that are comitted with a weapon? Those that are repelled because a homeowner has a weapon?

I'm all for gun ownership as a sport. I enjoy firing off a few rounds now and then on an old .22 my father has, but to seriously consider that as an only means of defence? Isn't that the job of police forces? Are response times that bad that a 911 call won't be answered in a relatively timely manner?

I have a lot of questions as a Canadian looking inwards at American society and gun control... there's many more guns per capita here in Canada and in fact Toronto is going through some gun troubles right now (something like 70 murders this year, about 15 more than usual) but people are looking at the police to step-up presence on the streets, not arming themselves.

Anyways, I'd hope to get some real responses by responsible gun owners here - I just may join you in the future (although not with a .50 😛)

 

[BlacKJesuS]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

50 cal has been available for years.

And I wonder how many murders have been committed with them. Probably not many. 🙂

they prob jes couldnt find the body....pieces

 

[gotsmack]

I have no problems with guns, but I think there should be some 6 month training and ethics course you have to take before you buy one. If that happened I would feel a lot safer around people I don't know who had guns.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: pontifex
you're a moron.
if they didn't steal them from regular citizens they would steal them from stores or get them illegally through other channels.
guns can be used as a hobby for target shooting. they are sued for hunting which brings food to the table.

If they were illegal, the stores wouldn't have them.

The problem is deeper than just banning guns. The fact that people want them is the worst problem. I'm not the moron. The fact that you don't see the problem is what's so disappointing.

OK ban guns. No stores have them. They are not available to you or to me. BUT the criminals will still have them from foreign sources, so really keeping someone like me from having a gun isn't gonna do any good, only harm.

Think of it this way: if you were the criminal and you KNEW that the victim had no gun AT ALL wouldn't you be more likely to attack than if you weren't sure if this victim really had a means of self-defense such as a gun? I don't know about you but I know I would. Seriously, gun control does more harm that good, period.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: UNESC0
it's interesting that so many people justify gun ownership as a method for defending oneself against an armed intruder...

does anyone have statistics from rather current sources of home invasions that are comitted with a weapon? Those that are repelled because a homeowner has a weapon?

I'm all for gun ownership as a sport. I enjoy firing off a few rounds now and then on an old .22 my father has, but to seriously consider that as an only means of defence? Isn't that the job of police forces? Are response times that bad that a 911 call won't be answered in a relatively timely manner?

I have a lot of questions as a Canadian looking inwards at American society and gun control... there's many more guns per capita here in Canada and in fact Toronto is going through some gun troubles right now (something like 70 murders this year, about 15 more than usual) but people are looking at the police to step-up presence on the streets, not arming themselves.

Anyways, I'd hope to get some real responses by responsible gun owners here - I just may join you in the future (although not with a .50 😛)

Regardless of whether it's the only means of defending yourself, or how likely it is that it'll be needed for defense is irrelevant. It is my right to own a gun, and I sure as heck hope it's my right to defend myself on my own property. 🙂

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: UNESC0
I have a lot of questions as a Canadian looking inwards at American society and gun control... there's many more guns per capita here in Canada and in fact Toronto is going through some gun troubles right now (something like 70 murders this year, about 15 more than usual) but people are looking at the police to step-up presence on the streets, not arming themselves.

Anyways, I'd hope to get some real responses by responsible gun owners here - I just may join you in the future (although not with a .50 😛)

I, too, live in the GTA, but I'm not sure how it would work. I just can't trust that there'll be a police officer nearby when I need one; moreover, police officers are not legally obligated to protect you, IIRC.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: bmacd
yes yes and yes. Being a military guy, i'm all for having more guns readily available, however, it won't be long before this is in the hands of the wrong person.

-=bmacd=-

The "wrong person" always has whatever we don't want him to have. That is what "they" usae in order to take it out of OURhands. Criminals have always been able to get what they want. It's simply a matter of HOW MUCH one is willing to pay.
The act of making ownership illegal is the first increment in making ALL weapons illegal for any one other than LE or Military.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Vegito

Originally posted by: misle
You do realize that .50 cal rifles are already for sale, right? My father has been deer hunting with a .50 cal black powder rifle for ages, so I don't see how selling this .50 cal is any different.

yeap.. there are many 50 cal brands...

Yep.
Expensive as hell though.

 

[Toonces]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: UNESC0
it's interesting that so many people justify gun ownership as a method for defending oneself against an armed intruder...

does anyone have statistics from rather current sources of home invasions that are comitted with a weapon? Those that are repelled because a homeowner has a weapon?

I'm all for gun ownership as a sport. I enjoy firing off a few rounds now and then on an old .22 my father has, but to seriously consider that as an only means of defence? Isn't that the job of police forces? Are response times that bad that a 911 call won't be answered in a relatively timely manner?

I have a lot of questions as a Canadian looking inwards at American society and gun control... there's many more guns per capita here in Canada and in fact Toronto is going through some gun troubles right now (something like 70 murders this year, about 15 more than usual) but people are looking at the police to step-up presence on the streets, not arming themselves.

Anyways, I'd hope to get some real responses by responsible gun owners here - I just may join you in the future (although not with a .50 😛)

Regardless of whether it's the only means of defending yourself, or how likely it is that it'll be needed for defense is irrelevant. It is my right to own a gun, and I sure as heck hope it's my right to defend myself on my own property. 🙂

So does anyone else other than mugs have an opinion on this issue? Although the "it's my right" argument is totally valid, is that the sole reason why so many Americans have personal firearms? Because the constitution allows for it?

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: UNESC0
it's interesting that so many people justify gun ownership as a method for defending oneself against an armed intruder...

does anyone have statistics from rather current sources of home invasions that are comitted with a weapon? Those that are repelled because a homeowner has a weapon?

I'm all for gun ownership as a sport. I enjoy firing off a few rounds now and then on an old .22 my father has, but to seriously consider that as an only means of defence? Isn't that the job of police forces? Are response times that bad that a 911 call won't be answered in a relatively timely manner?

I have a lot of questions as a Canadian looking inwards at American society and gun control... there's many more guns per capita here in Canada and in fact Toronto is going through some gun troubles right now (something like 70 murders this year, about 15 more than usual) but people are looking at the police to step-up presence on the streets, not arming themselves.

Anyways, I'd hope to get some real responses by responsible gun owners here - I just may join you in the future (although not with a .50 😛)

I don't have any links to statistics but I think guns help prevent crime more than you think. It's just not as sensational as gun murders so you never hear about it on the news.

Also don't fool yourself into thinking that the police are responsible for your safety. If they were then any victim of a crime where the police did not arrive fast enough could sue.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
As long as there are men born with 1" penises there will always be a need for large caliber weapons.

Nicely said. :thumbsup:

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: Xyclone

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
As long as there are men born with 1" penises there will always be a need for large caliber weapons.

Nicely said. :thumbsup:

I agree. There will always be a need for armed defense against these 1-inchers who compensate for their lack of manhood by trying to control and subjugate their fellow man.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Why in God's name would anyone want one of these? 😕

 

[KingofCamelot]

Originally posted by: UNESC0

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: UNESC0
it's interesting that so many people justify gun ownership as a method for defending oneself against an armed intruder...

does anyone have statistics from rather current sources of home invasions that are comitted with a weapon? Those that are repelled because a homeowner has a weapon?

I'm all for gun ownership as a sport. I enjoy firing off a few rounds now and then on an old .22 my father has, but to seriously consider that as an only means of defence? Isn't that the job of police forces? Are response times that bad that a 911 call won't be answered in a relatively timely manner?

I have a lot of questions as a Canadian looking inwards at American society and gun control... there's many more guns per capita here in Canada and in fact Toronto is going through some gun troubles right now (something like 70 murders this year, about 15 more than usual) but people are looking at the police to step-up presence on the streets, not arming themselves.

Anyways, I'd hope to get some real responses by responsible gun owners here - I just may join you in the future (although not with a .50 😛)

Regardless of whether it's the only means of defending yourself, or how likely it is that it'll be needed for defense is irrelevant. It is my right to own a gun, and I sure as heck hope it's my right to defend myself on my own property. 🙂

So does anyone else other than mugs have an opinion on this issue? Although the "it's my right" argument is totally valid, is that the sole reason why so many Americans have personal firearms? Because the constitution allows for it?

The right is there to secure personal protection. Plus, guns are fun, when used correctly and safely. Many people hunt, another valid reason for owning guns. Although I don't own any guns, I do like having the right to own them if I want.

 

[LethalWolfe]

Malak,
Just some highlights I'm gonna hit.
1. Switzerland - Lots of guns. Very, very little crime.
1a. The mere presence of guns does not create crimes nor criminals.
2. Gun violence in the US has gone down in the past decade.
3. Gun violence in the UK has gone up in the past decade.
3a. Gun laws in the UK have never been stricter.
3b. Guns are being smuggled in by gangs and much of the violence is drug related
4. In the US 90% of guns used to commit crimes were obtained illegally
4a. Of that 90% only about 10% were stolen (either from a store or from a private residence)
5. Gun crime (as well as most crime) is largely a symptom of socioeconomic problems. Wanna lower the crime rates? Address the source of the problem, not the symptom.


Lethal

 

[Red Dawn]

A gun like that would be perfect for an assasin or a murderer (sniper) as it was made for that sole purpose. I think this is the kind of weapon the Funding Fthers had in mind when they decided the American populace should be armed so they could overthrow a tyranical gvernment

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: UNESC0

Anyways, I'd hope to get some real responses by responsible gun owners here - I just may join you in the future (although not with a .50 😛)

The problem with expecting the police to protect you is that the typical crime is over by the time the police arrive, they've become experts at scene control & media relations after the fact