Do you believe Jesus Christ is your lord and savior?

[kinev]

Yes.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
And this thread shows good reason why people may choose to keep their personal beliefs to themselves.

Perhaps you can get out of P&N since you don't want to share your beliefs? After all, this is pretty much a forum for sharing contentious beliefs.

The question is valid, but so is asking if they dislike black people. Try asking that question as a non black in a black bar in Mobile, AL on a hot Saturday night.

Again, this is P&N. Not some bizarre hypothetical bar or your workplace.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Wow that apparently wasn't understood how I meant it. I have been writing this morning so I guess some of the charactor spilled over into this. I'm not paranoid at all and the knocking on doors comment was more hyperbole. I just meant that they see evangelising as something good, something nessecary. This in my book is immoral. It doesn't bother me that some people have made up an eternal punishment for those who don't follow thier way. I think it's humorous. Honestly it is a sensitive issue with me. My peole have no history as christians. We were diluted and deluded with this by missionaries who sought out to destroy our way of life. But in modern terms it's humorous...

Oh and the JWs don't knock on my door anymore. They found out my g/f is an excommunicated JW. 😉

Well, the concept of a Hell is by no means unique to Christianity, but you are IMO correct about its immorality. See classy's earlier post in this thread when he boasts that he will be going to Heaven with the laughing implication that the rest of us are going to Hell. That to me is the absolute worst form of blasphemy.

btw, if by your people you are referring to Native Americans, they have their own profound history of religious belief. Very diverse though, from human sacrificing sun worshipping Aztecs to North American tribes who believed in a Great Spirit not too similar to the God that Abraham of the Bible believed in. Fascinating stuff as long as you don't fall for the myth that they were all pipe smokin' hippies.

Originally posted by: classy
Jesus is my Lord and Savior.
I accept the the entire Bible as being the infalliable word of God.
I believe in Heaven and Hell.
I believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
I believe in Casting out Devils, Speaking in Tongues, and the 9 gifts of the Spirit.
And when I die I am going to heaven. 😀

Now thats my only other post in this thread. I never said anyone is going to hell. As a a matter of fact I only said what I believed. Thats all. Whether you like it or not "Vic-toria" I am going to heaven. There is no doubt, no question, there is absolutely no chance I am not going to heaven. As a matter of fact if there is anything less than zero chance, then you can apply that to me. I am completely and utterly covered by the Blood Of Jesus. I am completely Sealed. Dude you have a better chance of becoming Superman than for me not to go to heaven, faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to reach tall buildings in a single bound........oops got carried away. Now if I said Elmer Fudd, well that is clearly a reality with you 😛

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: classy
Now thats my only other post in this thread. I never said anyone is going to hell. As a a matter of fact I only said what I believed. Thats all. Whether you like it or not "Vic-toria" I am going to heaven. There is no doubt, no question, there is absolutely no chance I am not going to heaven. As a matter of fact if there is anything less than zero chance, then you can apply that to me. I am completely and utterly covered by the Blood Of Jesus. I am completely Sealed. Dude you have a better chance of becoming Superman than for me not to go to heaven, faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to reach tall buildings in a single bound........oops got carried away. Now if I said Elmer Fudd, well that is clearly a reality with you 😛

Well... clearly you are mightier than God in your own eyes to have usurped His will and judgement for your own glory.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: classy
Now thats my only other post in this thread. I never said anyone is going to hell. As a a matter of fact I only said what I believed. Thats all. Whether you like it or not "Vic-toria" I am going to heaven. There is no doubt, no question, there is absolutely no chance I am not going to heaven. As a matter of fact if there is anything less than zero chance, then you can apply that to me. I am completely and utterly covered by the Blood Of Jesus. I am completely Sealed. Dude you have a better chance of becoming Superman than for me not to go to heaven, faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to reach tall buildings in a single bound........oops got carried away. Now if I said Elmer Fudd, well that is clearly a reality with you 😛

Well... clearly you are mightier than God in your own eyes to have usurped His will and judgement for your own glory.

I am going, going, and will be gone to heaven. And you know what, he lets me know that every single day. 😀

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: classy
Now thats my only other post in this thread. I never said anyone is going to hell. As a a matter of fact I only said what I believed. Thats all. Whether you like it or not "Vic-toria" I am going to heaven. There is no doubt, no question, there is absolutely no chance I am not going to heaven. As a matter of fact if there is anything less than zero chance, then you can apply that to me. I am completely and utterly covered by the Blood Of Jesus. I am completely Sealed. Dude you have a better chance of becoming Superman than for me not to go to heaven, faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to reach tall buildings in a single bound........oops got carried away. Now if I said Elmer Fudd, well that is clearly a reality with you 😛

Well... clearly you are mightier than God in your own eyes to have usurped His will and judgement for your own glory.

"You will be hated by all because of my name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved." the man jc

so, vic's got a good point.

*edit* i like this one better. believing in jesus isn't a get out of jail free card.

1 Peter 4:17-19 (New American Standard Bible)

17For it is time for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

18AND IF IT IS WITH DIFFICULTY THAT THE RIGHTEOUS IS SAVED, WHAT WILL BECOME OF THE GODLESS MAN AND THE SINNER?

19Therefore, those also who suffer according to the will of God shall entrust their souls to a faithful Creator in doing what is right.

 

[WiseOldDude]

Originally posted by: Papaw
I heard someone say once that explaining God to someone who doesn't believe is like trying to explain a toothache, or explain the wind.

You can't see it, but you can feel it, and see the results of it.

You are right I can't see it
and I can feel it,
and if the results of his work are the current state of our country, and the world in general, they you need to start asking someone else to come up with a plan, as his current plans really suck.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: classy
I am going, going, and will be gone to heaven. And you know what, he lets me know that every single day. 😀

Well... you might want to work on your humility and pridefulness. Just a suggestion. Just 'cause some preacher told you that you were born again and freed from sin does not mean that God recognized that. Just something to think about before you sin your way straight to Heaven.

 

[MovingTarget]

Yes.

I am a Catholic. I was raised that way, but never really got into it much early on. My parents are Catholic as well, but didn't remember too fondly being forced to go to church every week. So, they were rather lax on making me go (usually on the religious holidays or "holy days of obligation") It was only recently that I questioned my faith and I took a much deeper look into what I had essentially been born into. I decided to get confirmed at the age of twenty. But, I believe the best description of what we (and I) believe comes from the Council of Constantinople in 381. This is a literal translation from the Greek form:

We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And (I believe) in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son), who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for (I look for) the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come.

Source

 

[Nebben]

I stopped believing in God when I was about 15. But then at around age 19 I realized I had no clue in the first place, nor did I have a clue when I decided I didn't believe anymore.

So my answer to the question is "yes."

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: WiseOldDude

Originally posted by: Papaw
I heard someone say once that explaining God to someone who doesn't believe is like trying to explain a toothache, or explain the wind.

You can't see it, but you can feel it, and see the results of it.

You are right I can't see it
and I can feel it,
and if the results of his work are the current state of our country, and the world in general, they you need to start asking someone else to come up with a plan, as his current plans really suck.

Except that for me it's not like describing the wind, or a toothache. You can feel the wind as it blows around you, and you can certainly feel a toothache as the calcium in your teeth rots away. But "God".. Purely abstract, that.

To me, "believing" in God is equivalent to believing in the Tooth Fairy.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Except that for me it's not like describing the wind, or a toothache. You can feel the wind as it blows around you, and you can certainly feel a toothache as the calcium in your teeth rots away. But "God".. Purely abstract, that.

To me, "believing" in God is equivalent to believing in the Tooth Fairy.

Except that the tooth fairy (and Santa Claus) can be logically disproven, and God cannot.

 

[kage69]

Threads like this make baby Cthulu cry...

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: classy
I am going, going, and will be gone to heaven. And you know what, he lets me know that every single day. 😀

Well... you might want to work on your humility and pridefulness. Just a suggestion. Just 'cause some preacher told you that you were born again and freed from sin does not mean that God recognized that. Just something to think about before you sin your way straight to Heaven.

hahahahaha Some preacher? No Preacher can save me or no man for that matter. No matter how good I am will save me either. You can't earn it or buy it. I need no humility to boast that I am saved by the death and resurrection of Jesus. And that I am forgiven for all of eternity for sin. For if a confess my sins he will, has, and will to continue to forgive me. Vic-toria its called salavation. Maybe you need to get saved, before you and some of the others start quoting scriptures. Because this scripture closes any case you or some of the religous others have,

2 Corinthians 3:5-6

5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

You can't even understand the Bible because you don't have the one who wrote it, also teach it to you. You still believe Paul wrote the Bible, huh? Sigh........ Yet what does scripture say

2 Peter 1:19-21

19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

You are truly decieved. A person who is an atheist has a better chance of knowing Jesus than you do.

 

[Last Rezort]

No.
Though i have no beef with god or thoughs who bow down before this higher power or whatever the faithfull call it. i do think that religion is the bringer or evil and war.

 

[dornick]

Originally posted by: classy

There is no doubt, no question, there is absolutely no chance I am not going to heaven.

There sure is. You could walk out your door and start shooting people on the street and then put the gun to your head. Are you still headed to heaven then?

I hate to say it to you, but acceptance of Jesus as the topic suggests is not a non-refundable, one-way ticket to heaven. You still have to live your life in way God wants you to live it. So I think you should focus less on bragging to everbody about how you're headed to heaven, and more on living like a true imitator of Christ.

My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. (1 Cor. 4:4)

If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. (1. Cor 3:12-14)

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: dornick

Originally posted by: classy

There is no doubt, no question, there is absolutely no chance I am not going to heaven.

There sure is. You could walk out your door and start shooting people on the street and then put the gun to your head. Are you still headed to heaven then?

I hate to say it to you, but acceptance of Jesus as the topic suggests is not a non-refundable, one-way ticket to heaven. You still have to live your life in way God wants you to live it. So I think you should focus less on bragging to everbody about how you're headed to heaven, and more on living like a true imitator of Christ.

My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. (1 Cor. 4:4)

If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. (1. Cor 3:12-14)

I can't teach you how to understand scripture. But you and many others ignorance is so glaring its sad. Then you quote scriptures which are so far beyond your understanding. Why don't you and a few others study the bible and try to understand what being born again and salvation is first before you try to tell someone what it is or isn't. I don't understand all concepts of the bible but for goodness sakes I completely understand my salvation through Jesus. And by the way those scriptures you quote have nothing to do with judgement as far as salvation or heaven and hell is concerned. Sad. Most of you need to get SAVED first, then maybe you'll be entitled to getting some understanding from God. What's even more pathetic, most of don't even believe in Jesus or God then try to quote scripture and worse yet explain the scripture written by someone you don't even believe in. Give me a break. Even fools appear smart when they keep their mouths close. I don't go around quoting law cause I am not a lawyer. I don't go around giving medical advice because I am not a doctor. And thus many of you shouldn't go around quoting scripture, because you surely aren't true believers.

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: dornick

Originally posted by: classy

There is no doubt, no question, there is absolutely no chance I am not going to heaven.

There sure is. You could walk out your door and start shooting people on the street and then put the gun to your head. Are you still headed to heaven then?

I hate to say it to you, but acceptance of Jesus as the topic suggests is not a non-refundable, one-way ticket to heaven. You still have to live your life in way God wants you to live it. So I think you should focus less on bragging to everbody about how you're headed to heaven, and more on living like a true imitator of Christ.

My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. (1 Cor. 4:4)

If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. (1. Cor 3:12-14)

I can't teach you how to understand scripture. But you and many others ignorance is so glaring its sad. Then you quote scriptures which are so far beyond your understanding. Why don't you and a few others study the bible and try to understand what being born again and salvation is first before you try to tell someone what it is or isn't. I don't understand all concepts of the bible but for goodness sakes I completely understand my salvation through Jesus. And by the way those scriptures you quote have nothing to do with judgement as far as salvation or heaven and hell is concerned. Sad. Most of you need to get SAVED first, then maybe you'll be entitled to getting some understanding from God. What's even more pathetic, most of don't even believe in Jesus or God then try to quote scripture and worse yet explain the scripture written by someone you don't even believe in. Give me a break. Even fools appear smart when they keep their mouths close. I don't go around quoting law cause I am not a lawyer. I don't go around giving medical advice because I am not a doctor. And thus many of you shouldn't go around quoting scripture, because you surely aren't true believers.

i'm sorry you think jesus' sacrifice is a button you wear on your jacket. it's a conditioning of the mind and spirit. it's a preparation for war that takes great concentration......even for jesus at the time. your babtism is mearly symbolic of a dedication that you will lead your life according to Jesus' teachings.

all scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, reproving, and setting things straight..... so for you to assume someone must be saved to understand is exactly the opposite. you must understand to be saved.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: dornick

Originally posted by: classy

There is no doubt, no question, there is absolutely no chance I am not going to heaven.

There sure is. You could walk out your door and start shooting people on the street and then put the gun to your head. Are you still headed to heaven then?

I hate to say it to you, but acceptance of Jesus as the topic suggests is not a non-refundable, one-way ticket to heaven. You still have to live your life in way God wants you to live it. So I think you should focus less on bragging to everbody about how you're headed to heaven, and more on living like a true imitator of Christ.

My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. (1 Cor. 4:4)

If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. (1. Cor 3:12-14)

I can't teach you how to understand scripture. But you and many others ignorance is so glaring its sad. Then you quote scriptures which are so far beyond your understanding. Why don't you and a few others study the bible and try to understand what being born again and salvation is first before you try to tell someone what it is or isn't. I don't understand all concepts of the bible but for goodness sakes I completely understand my salvation through Jesus. And by the way those scriptures you quote have nothing to do with judgement as far as salvation or heaven and hell is concerned. Sad. Most of you need to get SAVED first, then maybe you'll be entitled to getting some understanding from God. What's even more pathetic, most of don't even believe in Jesus or God then try to quote scripture and worse yet explain the scripture written by someone you don't even believe in. Give me a break. Even fools appear smart when they keep their mouths close. I don't go around quoting law cause I am not a lawyer. I don't go around giving medical advice because I am not a doctor. And thus many of you shouldn't go around quoting scripture, because you surely aren't true believers.

i'm sorry you think jesus' sacrifice is a button you wear on your jacket. it's a conditioning of the mind and spirit. it's a preparation for war that takes great concentration......even for jesus at the time. your babtism is mearly symbolic of a dedication that you will lead your life according to Jesus' teachings.

all scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, reproving, and setting things straight..... so for you to assume someone must be saved to understand is exactly the opposite. you must understand to be saved.

Wrong. To enter heaven you must be born again and have the mind of a child. Your natural understanding is worthless. Spiritual things are foolish to the natural mind. You may be saved, but your religous thinking stinks. Its amazing how you speak of Jesus as a button. Hmmm the entire book of Acts, all Peter and the Apostles did was preach how they were saved through the resurrection of Jesus. All they did was boast. Peter was so prideful he didn't even think Gentiles deserved it and needed a vision of God to straighten him out. Talk about a wearing a button, rather than criticizing, you should hang your head in shame your to cowardly to wear yours. Get out of here with that religous garbage.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: classy
You still believe Paul wrote the Bible, huh?

I never said Paul wrote the Bible. Not once in my whole life. You are breaking one of the Commandments here, by bearing false witness against me. I said that Paul was the first corrupter of the faith. And I stand by that statement.

You are also judging me. Recall that with what measure you mete, so shall be measured unto you. You are not in the position to assume the judgement of God, nor will you (or I) ever be. Should you choose to place yourself in that position, then we are told that such judgement will be used in your own judgement.

all scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, reproving, and setting things straight..... so for you to assume someone must be saved to understand is exactly the opposite. you must understand to be saved.

Exactly. Unfortunately, it appears to me that classy wants to believe in the easy route of "Hallelujah! You are saved!" that does not require any active involvement on his part beyond professing faith, with righteous living, keeping of Commandments, humility before God, and love of neighbor not required or desired. No wonder so many people hate Christianity, if this is what they are led to believe that Christianity is.
The act of being born again as taught by Jesus in John 3 is that of sacrificing one's ego to God. His will be done. Salvation comes when you would love and praise God even if damned, with your love of God not conditional upon his granting you salvation.
Boasting of being saved, as classy does, is no different than the publicly-praying hyprocrites Jesus describes in Matthew 6:5, who have by their own boasting already received their reward in full.

Who has been deceived?

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: dornick

Originally posted by: classy

There is no doubt, no question, there is absolutely no chance I am not going to heaven.

There sure is. You could walk out your door and start shooting people on the street and then put the gun to your head. Are you still headed to heaven then?

I hate to say it to you, but acceptance of Jesus as the topic suggests is not a non-refundable, one-way ticket to heaven. You still have to live your life in way God wants you to live it. So I think you should focus less on bragging to everbody about how you're headed to heaven, and more on living like a true imitator of Christ.

My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. (1 Cor. 4:4)

If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. (1. Cor 3:12-14)

I can't teach you how to understand scripture. But you and many others ignorance is so glaring its sad. Then you quote scriptures which are so far beyond your understanding. Why don't you and a few others study the bible and try to understand what being born again and salvation is first before you try to tell someone what it is or isn't. I don't understand all concepts of the bible but for goodness sakes I completely understand my salvation through Jesus. And by the way those scriptures you quote have nothing to do with judgement as far as salvation or heaven and hell is concerned. Sad. Most of you need to get SAVED first, then maybe you'll be entitled to getting some understanding from God. What's even more pathetic, most of don't even believe in Jesus or God then try to quote scripture and worse yet explain the scripture written by someone you don't even believe in. Give me a break. Even fools appear smart when they keep their mouths close. I don't go around quoting law cause I am not a lawyer. I don't go around giving medical advice because I am not a doctor. And thus many of you shouldn't go around quoting scripture, because you surely aren't true believers.

i'm sorry you think jesus' sacrifice is a button you wear on your jacket. it's a conditioning of the mind and spirit. it's a preparation for war that takes great concentration......even for jesus at the time. your babtism is mearly symbolic of a dedication that you will lead your life according to Jesus' teachings.

all scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, reproving, and setting things straight..... so for you to assume someone must be saved to understand is exactly the opposite. you must understand to be saved.

Wrong. To enter heaven you must be born again and have the mind of a child. Your natural understanding is worthless. Spiritual things are foolish to the natural mind. You may be saved, but your religous thinking stinks. Its amazing how you speak of Jesus as a button. Hmmm the entire book of Acts, all Peter and the Apostles did was preach how they were saved through the resurrection of Jesus. All they did was boast. Peter was so prideful he didn't even think Gentiles deserved it and needed a vision of God to straighten him out. Talk about a wearing a button, rather than criticizing, you should hang your head in shame your to cowardly to wear yours. Get out of here with that religous garbage.

uh.... i quoted that guy jesus in my earlier post. maybe you missed it

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: dornick

Originally posted by: classy

There is no doubt, no question, there is absolutely no chance I am not going to heaven.

There sure is. You could walk out your door and start shooting people on the street and then put the gun to your head. Are you still headed to heaven then?

I hate to say it to you, but acceptance of Jesus as the topic suggests is not a non-refundable, one-way ticket to heaven. You still have to live your life in way God wants you to live it. So I think you should focus less on bragging to everbody about how you're headed to heaven, and more on living like a true imitator of Christ.

My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. (1 Cor. 4:4)

If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. (1. Cor 3:12-14)

I can't teach you how to understand scripture. But you and many others ignorance is so glaring its sad. Then you quote scriptures which are so far beyond your understanding. Why don't you and a few others study the bible and try to understand what being born again and salvation is first before you try to tell someone what it is or isn't. I don't understand all concepts of the bible but for goodness sakes I completely understand my salvation through Jesus. And by the way those scriptures you quote have nothing to do with judgement as far as salvation or heaven and hell is concerned. Sad. Most of you need to get SAVED first, then maybe you'll be entitled to getting some understanding from God. What's even more pathetic, most of don't even believe in Jesus or God then try to quote scripture and worse yet explain the scripture written by someone you don't even believe in. Give me a break. Even fools appear smart when they keep their mouths close. I don't go around quoting law cause I am not a lawyer. I don't go around giving medical advice because I am not a doctor. And thus many of you shouldn't go around quoting scripture, because you surely aren't true believers.

i'm sorry you think jesus' sacrifice is a button you wear on your jacket. it's a conditioning of the mind and spirit. it's a preparation for war that takes great concentration......even for jesus at the time. your babtism is mearly symbolic of a dedication that you will lead your life according to Jesus' teachings.

all scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, reproving, and setting things straight..... so for you to assume someone must be saved to understand is exactly the opposite. you must understand to be saved.

Wrong. To enter heaven you must be born again and have the mind of a child. Your natural understanding is worthless. Spiritual things are foolish to the natural mind. You may be saved, but your religous thinking stinks. Its amazing how you speak of Jesus as a button. Hmmm the entire book of Acts, all Peter and the Apostles did was preach how they were saved through the resurrection of Jesus. All they did was boast. Peter was so prideful he didn't even think Gentiles deserved it and needed a vision of God to straighten him out. Talk about a wearing a button, rather than criticizing, you should hang your head in shame your to cowardly to wear yours. Get out of here with that religous garbage.

uh.... i quoted that guy jesus in my earlier post. maybe you missed it

😱 oops sorry

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: classy
You still believe Paul wrote the Bible, huh?

I never said Paul wrote the Bible. Not once in my whole life. You are breaking one of the Commandments here, by bearing false witness against me. I said that Paul was the first corrupter of the faith. And I stand by that statement.

You are also judging me. Recall that with what measure you mete, so shall be measured unto you. You are not in the position to assume the judgement of God, nor will you (or I) ever be. Should you choose to place yourself in that position, then we are told that such judgement will be used in your own judgement.

all scripture is inspired by God and beneficial for teaching, reproving, and setting things straight..... so for you to assume someone must be saved to understand is exactly the opposite. you must understand to be saved.

Exactly. Unfortunately, it appears to me that classy wants to believe in the easy route of "Hallelujah! You are saved!" that does not require any active involvement on his part beyond professing faith, with righteous living, keeping of Commandments, humility before God, and love of neighbor not required or desired. No wonder so many people hate Christianity, if this is what they are led to believe that Christianity is.
The act of being born again as taught by Jesus in John 3 is that of sacrificing one's ego to God. His will be done. Salvation comes when you would love and praise God even if damned, with your love of God not conditional upon his granting you salvation.
Boasting of being saved, as classy does, is no different than the publicly-praying hyprocrites Jesus describes in Matthew 6:5, who have by their own boasting already received their reward in full.

Who has been deceived?

Let me tell you something boy, you gotta a lot nerve to come in here and tell me about salvation, quoting some scripture and you ain't even saved. I am absolutely proud of the fact I know Jesus as my lord and savior. Where were you at 12 years ago when when I had needles being stuck in me and popping pills hoping I'll be able to live? Where were you 18 months ago when my father laid with a blood spot and half his brain swollen and the doctor is telling you to prepare to bury your 63 year old father? I could tell you many many times of the power of God. You are nothing to me but an unsaved religous nutt trying to tell someone how they are to worship God. Where were you at during my time of serious troubles? Its amazing not once in prayer did the Holy Spirit ever tell me during those times about your great wisdom. Not once has he ever told me not to be proud and wear Christ openly every single day. Who are you? You and your little religous quotes are nothing and your trying to explain the bible is an embarrasment. Christ is alive and has shown his love and mercy mulitple times in my life, the least I could do is tell it. You need to shut your mouth, thats what you need to do.

 

[Pliablemoose]

To quote Carl Sagan:

"The idea that God is an oversized white male with a flowing beard who sits in the sky and tallies the fall of every sparrow is ludicrous. But if by 'God' one means the set of physical laws that govern the universe, then clearly there is such a God. This God is emotionally unsatisfying... it does not make much sense to pray to the law of gravity."

That being said, I do not disagree with the christian church, unfortunately the exceptions to the rule make the news, but I see the organized christian church as a force for good, people that practice the 10 commandments & attempt to learn/live by Jesus' teachings aren't all bad.

& I've always found it curious that Infohawk reveals nothing about himself. U of Iowa Library

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: classy
Let me tell you something boy, you gotta a lot nerve to come in here and tell me about salvation, quoting some scripture and you ain't even saved. I am absolutely proud of the fact I know Jesus as my lord and savior. Where were you at 12 years ago when when I had needles being stuck in me and popping pills hoping I'll be able to live? Where were you 18 months ago when my father laid with a blood spot and half his brain swollen and the doctor is telling you to prepare to bury your 63 year old father? I could tell you many many times of the power of God. You are nothing to me but an unsaved religous nutt trying to tell someone how they are to worship God. Where were you at during my time of serious troubles? Its amazing not once in prayer did the Holy Spirit ever tell me during those times about your great wisdom. Not once has he ever told me not to be proud and wear Christ openly every single day. Who are you? You and your little religous quotes are nothing and your trying to explain the bible is an embarrasment. Christ is alive and has shown his love and mercy mulitple times in my life, the least I could do is tell it. You need to shut your mouth, thats what you need to do.

Never mind, I should have known you were one of those. I'm happy for you and what God has done for you in your life. May He bless you further. And may I merely suggest that you not place too many more conditions upon your love of Him, or continue to mistake your condemnations of others as your pride for Christ.
I will not continue this discussion as you are seeking to bait me into condemning you, and I will not do that.