Do you believe Jesus Christ is your lord and savior?

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: alchemize
So you want to offer "appreciation" to Rip eh? Apparently being honest isn't one of the morals you've acquired in determining your faith.

You're saying I'm lying when saying I appreciate Rip's honesty?

OK here's my answer. My personal beliefs are just that, personal, and none of your or anyone else's business except those I chose to discuss it with.

P&N IS ALL ABOUT BELIEFS. :roll: Nobody's asking you to say the address of the church you go to (if you go to one). Why would anyone hide any of their beliefs?

And I find it incredibly judgemental (but unsurprising) on how you assume what a "christian's" obligations are, even though you aren't one by declaration.

So just because I'm not a christian means that I can't understand what a christian's obligations are?

You have something to hide and it wastes everyone's time.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
very lax catholic here, but i'm also pretty sure you weren't looking for my answer.

I'm looking for answers from all posters.

Note that the main question is whether Jesus Christ is your lord and savior because I think it is more indicative of your belief system than the label: "christian."

I disagree here. There are many who only refer to themself as a "Christian" (or a Believer) because they are fed up with the self-segregation of those that make up the Christian religion. Lutherens, Catholics, Baptists, heck there are 1000 different flavors of Baptists.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: alchemize
So you want to offer "appreciation" to Rip eh? Apparently being honest isn't one of the morals you've acquired in determining your faith.

You're saying I'm lying when saying I appreciate Rip's honesty?

OK here's my answer. My personal beliefs are just that, personal, and none of your or anyone else's business except those I chose to discuss it with.

P&N IS ALL ABOUT BELIEFS. :roll: Nobody's asking you to say the address of the church you go to (if you go to one). Why would anyone hide any of their beliefs?

And I find it incredibly judgemental (but unsurprising) on how you assume what a "christian's" obligations are, even though you aren't one by declaration.

So just because I'm not a christian means that I can't understand what a christian's obligations are?

You have something to hide and it wastes everyone's time.

As do you. Why won't you identify even the most generic aspects of yourself, such as your age?

 

[Red Dawn]

No. For that reason any arguements based on religious text or laws is wated on me as they don't apply to me.

 

[Malfeas]

I don't think this belongs in the P&N category, it probably belongs in the OFF TOPIC category.

For instance, if I were to ask if anyone believed in the tooth fairy or space aliens, would you post it in P&N or OFF TOPIC?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: alchemize
As do you. Why won't you identify even the most generic aspects of yourself, such as your age?

I know I have upset you in the past by not partcipating in P&N pictures threads and so forth. As I said then, I don't care about sharing that information (it's simply not interesting) AND more importantly because they are not relevant to my ideas. (Also, I think there is danger in it given that there are some very angry people on this board 😉 ). If you want to imagine that I am a five-year old, ugly arab terrorist, you can-- it doesn't affect my postiions. If I say 1+1=2, I would still be right despite that imagined identity. However, if you aksed me if I was a communist, I would definitely answer you. Why? Because later on if I say I am for free markets you could point out an inconsistency or asked how I reconciled the two. Now Religion is a belief. It is a thought. It has effects on your other ideas. If you truly have a religion, then some other beliefs follow. The same is not true for someone's age or race or whatever.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
No. For that reason any arguements based on religious text or laws is wated on me as they don't apply to me.

They may not apply to you, but when you live under a democratic country with a vast majority of Christian constituents, they certainly affect you. 🙂

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
No. For that reason any arguements based on religious text or laws is wated on me as they don't apply to me.

They may not apply to you, but when you live under a democratic country with a vast majority of Christian constituents, they certainly affect you. 🙂

Yeah probably a little more than they should.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: alchemize
As do you. Why won't you identify even the most generic aspects of yourself, such as your age?

I know I have upset you in the past by not partcipating in P&N pictures threads and so forth. As I said then, I don't care about sharing that information (it's simply not interesting) AND more importantly because they are not relevant to my ideas. (Also, I think there is danger in it given that there are some very angry people on this board 😉 ). If you want to imagine that I am a five-year old, ugly arab terrorist, you can-- it doesn't affect my postiions. If I say 1+1=2, I would still be right despite that imagined identity. However, if you aksed me if I was a communist, I would definitely answer you. Why? Because later on if I say I am for free markets you could point out an inconsistency or asked how I reconciled the two. Now Religion is a belief. It is a thought. It has effects on your other ideas. If you truly have a religion, then some other beliefs follow. The same is not true for someone's age or race or whatever.

OK - I think your education is very relevant. Education certainly impacts your other ideas. So do you have a degree, and what is it?

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: alchemize
As do you. Why won't you identify even the most generic aspects of yourself, such as your age?

I know I have upset you in the past by not partcipating in P&N pictures threads and so forth. As I said then, I don't care about sharing that information (it's simply not interesting) AND more importantly because they are not relevant to my ideas. (Also, I think there is danger in it given that there are some very angry people on this board 😉 ). If you want to imagine that I am a five-year old, ugly arab terrorist, you can-- it doesn't affect my postiions. If I say 1+1=2, I would still be right despite that imagined identity. However, if you aksed me if I was a communist, I would definitely answer you. Why? Because later on if I say I am for free markets you could point out an inconsistency or asked how I reconciled the two. Now Religion is a belief. It is a thought. It has effects on your other ideas. If you truly have a religion, then some other beliefs follow. The same is not true for someone's age or race or whatever.

So, are you atheist? Agnostic?

 

[conjur]

Born and raised Catholic but now an atheist who thinks Jesus was just another preacher in a long paternal line of them.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: bamacre
So, are you atheist? Agnostic?

I go back and forth between agnosticism, atheism, and ignosticism.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
No. For that reason any arguements based on religious text or laws is wated on me as they don't apply to me.

They may not apply to you, but when you live under a democratic country with a vast majority of Christian constituents, they certainly affect you. 🙂

Yeah probably a little more than they should.

I would hope Christian constituents, as a whole, have brought more positive things to this country than negative, in regards to law.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: bamacre
So, are you atheist? Agnostic?

I go back and forth between agnosticism, atheism, and ignosticism.

No entry found for ignosticism.

Did you mean agnosticism?
Suggestions:
agnosticism
agnosticism's
exoticism
iconostasis

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: alchemize
OK - I think your education is very relevant. Education certainly impacts your other ideas.

No. Education is not doctrine. Education is not a belief. I could have an education or not have one and still hold any belief out there. However, religion is a belief.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: bamacre
No entry found for ignosticism.

Did you mean agnosticism?
Suggestions:
agnosticism
agnosticism's
exoticism
iconostasis

Ignosticism (sometimes called apathetic agnosticism or apatheism) is the view that the question of the existence of deities is meaningless because it has no verifiable consequences, and should therefore be ignored. The term was coined by Rabbi Sherwin Wine, founder of The Society for Humanistic Jud...

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: conjur
Born and raised Catholic but now an atheist who thinks Jesus was just another preacher in a long paternal line of them.

Wow, i'm surprised you consider yourself atheist. Agnostic I could see, but atheist?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: conjur
Born and raised Catholic but now an atheist who thinks Jesus was just another preacher in a long paternal line of them.

Wow, i'm surprised you consider yourself atheist. Agnostic I could see, but atheist?

Yes. After having started, several years ago, looking into the histories of the religions of various cultures the similarites between the main ones were rather interesting. And, learning of the symbolism used in the Bible and other works I began to realize that people made up a god being to account for various things for which they could not answer. I don't want to go into more than that as I want to keep my opinion of organized religion out of this thread.

 

[Moonbeam]

I believe that there is One Truth and it covers everybody and that throughout time that One Truth is discovered by individuals here and there and in turn is pointed to by them to the rest of us in terms fitting for that time and that place in accordance to the particular qualities and characteristics of the dominant hidden prejudices of the people in whose midst that particular Exemplar of the One Truth has appeared.

I believe further that owing to the nature of the dominant hidden prejudice of the people alive at the time, the situation, as it were, every manifestation of the One Truth ceases to be the One Truth the moment the exemplar dies. The One Truth is a Living Truth and is both an inner Awareness and an Outer Expression the purpose of which is to Awaken humanity from the robot-like mechanicallity, ( to perhaps invent a word ), conferred on it by its Hidden Prejudice.

Humanity is asleep, upside down to reality. It cannot know this, does not want to know this, and does not want to know that it does not want to know. But the smell of Something Other lingers in the Shells of Truth Past, all our old Religions and that Smell occasionally orients some to the fact we are upside down.

There is One 'Invisible' Truth and it covers us ALL, but but we war endlessly because we think we already know.

The truth can be had only by those prepared to discover that everything they believe and hold sacred and anything they do or imagine they can do to save themselves is a complete and utter lie. A machine cannot awaken itself via its mechanicallity.

Christ mentioned that when He said that He was the Way. Christ's mission, in my opinion, was to mirror your life, the fact that you have been crucified and can be resurrected by becoming conscious of your pain.

So yes, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior because He was an Exemplar of the One Living Truth. But I did not know that at the time that I suffered such pain. I learned it from Exemplars who had died to mechanicallity in the same yet differently put ways.

In the blackness that is humanity, stars shine.

Let's return now to the war.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

So, are YOU a Christian or are you not?

I will start:

I don't believe Jesus Christ is my lord and savior. (I think Jesus of Nazareth was a historical figure with a noble philosophy.)

I agree. Not that I don't believe in any god or higher spirituality, but I do NOT accept the bible as literal word.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: alchemize
OK - I think your education is very relevant. Education certainly impacts your other ideas.

No. Education is not doctrine. Education is not a belief. I could have an education or not have one and still hold any belief out there. However, religion is a belief.

So then why don't you ask about specific beliefs? Or are you saying that any person that believes in a certain religion will hold all the same beliefs as every other believer in that religion?

This thread gains you nothing other than your desired ability to categorize and pre-judge.

 

[classy]

Jesus is my Lord and Savior.
I accept the the entire Bible as being the infalliable word of God.
I believe in Heaven and Hell.
I believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
I believe in Casting out Devils, Speaking in Tongues, and the 9 gifts of the Spirit.
And when I die I am going to heaven. 😀

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: alchemize
So then why don't you ask about specific beliefs?

This thread IS asking about a specific belief.

Or are you saying that any person that believes in a certain religion will hold all the same beliefs as every other believer in that religion?

Not ALL, but MANY.

This thread gains you nothing other than your desired ability to categorize and pre-judge.

Nice attack on my motives. I like reciprocity, so let me say something about your motives: you don't have enough confidence in your beliefs to share them with others.

 

[judasmachine]

Whuh, who?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I believe that there is One Truth and it covers everybody and that throughout time that One Truth is discovered by individuals here and there and in turn is pointed to by them to the rest of us in terms fitting for that time and that place in accordance to the particular qualities and characteristics of the dominant hidden prejudices of the people in whose midst that particular Exemplar of the One Truth has appeared.

I believe further that owing to the nature of the dominant hidden prejudice of the people alive at the time, the situation, as it were, every manifestation of the One Truth ceases to be the One Truth the moment the exemplar dies. The One Truth is a Living Truth and is both an inner Awareness and an Outer Expression the purpose of which is to Awaken humanity from the robot-like mechanicallity, ( to perhaps invent a word ), conferred on it by its Hidden Prejudice.

Humanity is asleep, upside down to reality. It cannot know this, does not want to know this, and does not want to know that it does not want to know. But the smell of Something Other lingers in the Shells of Truth Past, all our old Religions and that Smell occasionally orients some to the fact we are upside down.

There is One 'Invisible' Truth and it covers us ALL, but but we war endlessly because we think we already know.

The truth can be had only by those prepared to discover that everything they believe and hold sacred and anything they do or imagine they can do to save themselves is a complete and utter lie. A machine cannot awaken itself via its mechanicallity.

Christ mentioned that when He said that He was the Way. Christ's mission, in my opinion, was to mirror your life, the fact that you have been crucified and can be resurrected by becoming conscious of your pain.

So yes, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior because He was an Exemplar of the One Living Truth. But I did not know that at the time that I suffered such pain. I learned it from Exemplars who had died to mechanicallity in the same yet differently put ways.

In the blackness that is humanity, stars shine.

Let's return now to the war.

You lost me towards the end, but good post as usual. :thumbsup: