Do you believe Jesus Christ is your lord and savior?

[AntiEverything]

Infohawk

You've never revealed how many times you were molested as a child. Your world view is tainted by those events, and I find it intellectually dishonest of you give your opinion on any matters here in P&N until you've come clean about your parents, that baby sitter, and the various teachers which have taken advantage of you.

So, how many times was Infohawk molested?

I'll start:

I think Infohawk was molested on a weekly basis.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Here's what I believe (shamelessly hacked from my church's statement of faith)

Believe me, the irony of this statement is not lost on me. The fact that someone's beliefs can be copy/pasted is testament to what I like to refer to as the "School of NeoRiprorin Social Conservatism." Never a thought of their own, just blind Christian talking-point proselytizing on gays, abortion and how evil liberals are.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Wow. You are not very intelligent are you? A truly terrible comparison. I did not call out a specific poster. I also did not assume anyone was a member of a certain group-- I asked. If you asked who was molested, then it might be a better comparison. Also, being molested is not a set of beliefs, so has no bearing on other statements made in P&N.

Anyway, why don't you answer my question?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Here's what I believe (shamelessly hacked from my church's statement of faith)

Believe me, the irony of this statement is not lost on me. The fact that someone's beliefs can be copy/pasted is testament to what I like to refer to as the "School of NeoRiprorin Social Conservatism." Never a thought of their own, just blind Christian talking-point proselytizing on gays, abortion and how evil liberals are.

Ahem, please answer the question of whether you believe in Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. 🙂

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Ahem, please answer the question of whether you believe in Jesus Christ as your lord and savior. 🙂

Oh sorry. 🙂 No, I really don't. And neither do I pretend to have all of the answers either. I believe Jesus, if he existed, was a wise man with a great message.

 

[sandorski]

At one time I would have answered Yes, but not for a long time.

Like Moonie, I beleive there can only be 1 Universal Truth(if one exists) and that that Truth would exist outside the Human attempts to package it. Every Religion can thusly be founded upon that Truth, however there are constant reminders of how what was once Good, becomes Corrupt.

All Religion is based upon one thing: Lineage. Lineage attempts to Legitimize the Present by drawing a link to the Past. It says, "That's who we are, see the Link?". Unfortunetly time has a way to wear down the original intent, to make those in the Present completely Blind to what it is that started it all.

Jesus was a man of great vision and a man that all can learn from. He was perhaps the Greatest Man to ever live. However, when examining his life and comparing it to the lives of his "followers", it is extremely difficult to find any kind of similarity, except in a rare Few.

 

[SuperTool]

Of course not.

 

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Wow. You are not very intelligent are you? A truly terrible comparison. I did not call out a specific poster. I also did not assume anyone was a member of a certain group-- I asked. If you asked who was molested, then it might be a better comparison. Also, being molested is not a set of beliefs, so has no bearing on other statements made in P&N.

Anyway, why don't you answer my question?

You don't think being molested will change your view of life and the world, and probably have a very significant impact on your opinions and political views? Everybody has a life history. The person you are is determined 100% by your past. So unless you feel that everyone should have to lay out their complete biography before they're allowed to render an opinion, this thread is nothing but a Christian-hating troll thread.

You're a moron and a troll, but that's nothing new. And I stand by my opinion that you were molested repeatedly. It's the only way I can explain your anger and trolling ways.

 

[Harvey]

Man needs a god like a fish needs a pogo stick. 😛

 

[aidanjm]

no.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

Wow. You are not very intelligent are you? A truly terrible comparison. I did not call out a specific poster. I also did not assume anyone was a member of a certain group-- I asked. If you asked who was molested, then it might be a better comparison. Also, being molested is not a set of beliefs, so has no bearing on other statements made in P&N.

Anyway, why don't you answer my question?

You don't think being molested will change your view of life and the world, and probably have a very significant impact on your opinions and political views? Everybody has a life history. The person you are is determined 100% by your past. So unless you feel that everyone should have to lay out their complete biography before they're allowed to render an opinion, this thread is nothing but a Christian-hating troll thread.

You're a moron and a troll, but that's nothing new. And I stand by my opinion that you were molested repeatedly. It's the only way I can explain your anger and trolling ways.

A think this deserves a: Have you stopped beating you wife yet?

This threads not a Troll. However, a few Trolls have entered it and have been trying to sidetrack it since they entered. Info has tried to remain civil and continues to do so.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: AntiEverything

There is a difference between a religion / philosophy / doctrine and events that happen to you. You can choose your religion / philosophy / doctrine. So if you say you are a communist it impacts many of your beliefs. It means for example, you want no private property. There is no doctrine of molestation.

How about some intellectual honesty from you: is jesus christ your lord and savior?

 

[Infohawk]

Alchemize tried to suggest my claim that Christians shouldn't hide their faith was bogus.

Apparently, according to Jesus, you should share your faith:

Jesus showed his wounds and said to his disciples: "As the father has send me, so I send you." John 20:21

So again I claim that not only is it intellectually dishonest to hide your belief system / doctrine in a forum like P&N, but it is the "unchristian" thing to do.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Alchemize tried to suggest my claim that Christians shouldn't hide their faith was bogus.

Apparently, according to Jesus, you should share your faith:

Jesus showed his wounds and said to his disciples: "As the father has send me, so I send you." John 20:21

So again I claim that not only is it intellectually dishonest to hide your belief system / doctrine in a forum like P&N, but it is the "unchristian" thing to do.

Well let's assume for a minute then that my faith is not based on christianity, or is based on some interpretation of christianity that doesn't share? Maybe I have a belief system that encourages it's members to not share? Am I being intellectually dishonest then?

Or perhaps I can choose not to share, just as you choose not to share your molestation history or college degree. I'm being perfectly honest - I don't want to share.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Here's what I believe (shamelessly hacked from my church's statement of faith)

Believe me, the irony of this statement is not lost on me. The fact that someone's beliefs can be copy/pasted is testament to what I like to refer to as the "School of NeoRiprorin Social Conservatism." Never a thought of their own, just blind Christian talking-point proselytizing on gays, abortion and how evil liberals are.

Yawn. The statement of faith from my church that I posted covers the essential doctrinal beliefs of any evangelical Christian.

If I put my beliefs in my own words, they would be the same as what I posted.

 

[Riprorin]

From my personal experience. many of the conservatives here aren't evangelical Christians. However, unlike many of the liberals here, they are tolerant of people who have religious faith and don't feel the need to mock their beliefs.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
No. Education is not doctrine. Education is not a belief. I could have an education or not have one and still hold any belief out there. However, religion is a belief.

So from that I can know that you don't have any higher education, or you would immediately know the relevance of your learning with respect to your political views.

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Christ mentioned that when He said that He was the Way. Christ's mission, in my opinion, was to mirror your life, the fact that you have been crucified and can be resurrected by becoming conscious of your pain.

So yes, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior because He was an Exemplar of the One Living Truth. But I did not know that at the time that I suffered such pain. I learned it from Exemplars who had died to mechanicallity in the same yet differently put ways.

:thumbsup:

 

[Vic]

No, I honestly don't. I believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the greatest man, prophet, and teacher who has ever walked upon the earth, but I do not believe He was/is God Himself. Jesus Himself repeatedly spoke of His "Father in Heaven" and made it quite clearly that He and Almighty God were 2 distinct separate beings.
I have said repeatedly here that the biggest problem with Christianity is that it is an ancient Greek religion, and Jesus was a Jew. But, despite all the failings of Christianity, the message and teachings of Jesus should never be lost or discounted. As Moonie described, that message is a manifestation of the One Truth, a path that would remove the suffering from the world if humanity chose to follow it. My God however is still the Father in Heaven that Jesus spoke of, the Almighty God that is the undying reflection of the infinite universe.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Maybe I have a belief system that encourages it's members to not share? Am I being intellectually dishonest then?

You could be part of some sort of secret society. I think rosicrucians are christian but keep their information secret to the uninitiated. I think they are secretive and in many cases intelelctually dishonest. They are not dealing with people straightfowardly. So yes, I think you would be intellectually dishonest if you were doing something similar.

Or perhaps I can choose not to share, just as you choose not to share your molestation history or college degree. I'm being perfectly honest - I don't want to share.

Of course you can choose not to share. I know you don't want to share. 🙂 It's obvious. I'm saying your failure to share is intellectually dishonest and inappropriate for a forum like P&N which is all about sharing belief systems and ideas.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Vic
No, I honestly don't. I believe that Jesus of Nazareth was the greatest man, prophet, and teacher who has ever walked upon the earth, but I do not believe He was/is God Himself. Jesus Himself repeatedly spoke of His "Father in Heaven" and made it quite clearly that He and Almighty God were 2 distinct separate beings.
I have said repeatedly here that the biggest problem with Christianity is that it is an ancient Greek religion, and Jesus was a Jew. But, despite all the failings of Christianity, the message and teachings of Jesus should never be lost or discounted. As Moonie described, that message is a manifestation of the One Truth, a path that would remove the suffering from the world if humanity chose to follow it. My God however is still the Father in Heaven that Jesus spoke of, the Almighty God that is the undying reflection of the infinite universe.

But Vic this can't be true! Infohawk told me that you HAVE to believe that to be a Christian....and that you HAVE to own up to it, or you aren't a true Christian!

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
No. Education is not doctrine. Education is not a belief. I could have an education or not have one and still hold any belief out there. However, religion is a belief.

So from that I can know that you don't have any higher education,[/quote]

What is "that"?

or you would immediately know the relevance of your learning with respect to your political views.

Can you rephrase that to make it more clear?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: alchemize
Maybe I have a belief system that encourages it's members to not share? Am I being intellectually dishonest then?

You could be part of some sort of secret society. I think rosicrucians are christian but keep their information secret to the uninitiated. I think they are secretive and in many cases intelelctually dishonest. They are not dealing with people straightfowardly. So yes, I think you would be intellectually dishonest if you were doing something similar.

Or perhaps I can choose not to share, just as you choose not to share your molestation history or college degree. I'm being perfectly honest - I don't want to share.

Of course you can choose not to share. I know you don't want to share. 🙂 It's obvious. I'm saying your failure to share is intellectually dishonest and inappropriate for a forum like P&N which is all about sharing belief systems and ideas.

Since when did you become the sole determiner of what P&N is all about?

 

[RabidMongoose]

No, I don't. I actually believe that the alien entity known as Klormax the Destroyer is my lord, savior, and father/mother.

 

[eigen]

Nope.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: alchemize
Maybe I have a belief system that encourages it's members to not share? Am I being intellectually dishonest then?

You could be part of some sort of secret society. I think rosicrucians are christian but keep their information secret to the uninitiated. I think they are secretive and in many cases intelelctually dishonest. They are not dealing with people straightfowardly. So yes, I think you would be intellectually dishonest if you were doing something similar.

Or perhaps I can choose not to share, just as you choose not to share your molestation history or college degree. I'm being perfectly honest - I don't want to share.

Of course you can choose not to share. I know you don't want to share. 🙂 It's obvious. I'm saying your failure to share is intellectually dishonest and inappropriate for a forum like P&N which is all about sharing belief systems and ideas.

...and he could have avoided this whole thread if he adamantly doesn't want to share. Or at least not try to derail it because he doesn't want to share.