Do you believe in past lives and reincarnation?

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: AmdEmAll

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Our understanding of the universe is pretty comprehensive. And in this case the law of conservation of energy states you can't get something from nothing. So no majikal ghost is taking you to fairly land when you die.

You have no idea what you are talking about. We have many 'theories' on what the hell is going on out there but when it comes down to it we have no fucking clue about the universe.

IMO even if we some how solved all the answers to it, our minds wouldn't be able to comprehend it.

You don't know a lot about the theory of relativity or quantum mechanics. What we do know about the universe is staggering.

 

[rbV5]

Originally posted by: AmdEmAll

Originally posted by: rbV5
The whole myth of an afterlife is just so everyone will be good little boys and girls in this life and get to go to the "good" place for eternity.

Sorry, this one gets a big;
X.....Not true
.....True

when your brain dies...you're done.

So life is pointless.

Everyone commit Seppuku.

No, life is EVERYTHING.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: njdevilsfan87
I believe more in "future lives" where I may experience "life" in another solar system, galaxy, universe, dimension, and etc - with no recollection of the previous experience.

I would hope that is the case. How would you like to be born as a Freaky Bug-Eyed Rat Monkey on Rigel XII and remember your past life as the Sultan of Brunei?

 

[So]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: AmdEmAll

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Our understanding of the universe is pretty comprehensive. And in this case the law of conservation of energy states you can't get something from nothing. So no majikal ghost is taking you to fairly land when you die.

You have no idea what you are talking about. We have many 'theories' on what the hell is going on out there but when it comes down to it we have no fucking clue about the universe.

IMO even if we some how solved all the answers to it, our minds wouldn't be able to comprehend it.

You don't know a lot about the theory of relativity or quantum mechanics. What we do know about the universe is staggering.

That doesn't make ideas with no good evidence like reincarnation magically plausible.

 

[Old Hippie]

I voted yes probably because of my neart death experience thing....white light tunnel and the whole bit.

That's not proof of an afterlife but the ride I took to the "entrance" would probably make anybody a believer.

 

[WildHorse]

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[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: So
WTF is wrong with you people?!?! Yes, we don't know everything, but we've carefully investigated all sorts of things about death and found no good evidence that indicates reincarnation. A lot of you are acting as if 'not knowing everything' somehow means that we can't rule an idea so unlikely to be laughable. Reincarnation is as plausible as...no, strike that, LESS PLAUSIBLE THAN, unicorns, faeries, and mermaids.

Hey, you explain to me what's in these (theorized) other eight or eleven or whatever damn dimensions and maybe I'll go along 😛

Strings. The Dimensions are theorized to be contained within objects known as Calabi Yau manifolds and are quite possibly smaller than the Planck Length, the smallest distance that we can measure. We do know a crap load about the Universe, we might not know everything, but all of our theories come from some sort of evidence, unlike the science centuries ago.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: z1ggy
Yeah comprehensive...because we are still dependent on oil...Last time I checked we haven't mastered fusion yet..or anything similar that happens every single second of every single day since the beginning of time.

More comprehensive than it was once before, such as how much was known back when the various religions of today were cobbled together.

And no, we can't do fusion here yet, at least not efficiently. But we can do it.
You can understand something without being able to do it yourself. For example, I understand flight. The reason I don't fly on a regular basis is because I can't afford an airplane right now.

We haven't "mastered" fusion yet because we've yet to figure out the right way to do it on a scale smaller than the Sun. We're trying to do something that doesn't exist in nature.

 

[11thHour]

When I was a grasshopper, I believed in reincarnation. But now that I'm an intelligent being capable of advanced thinking, I think its pretty ridiculous.

 

[Old Hippie]

Originally posted by: scott

Originally posted by: Old Hippie
I voted yes probably because of my neart death experience thing....white light tunnel and the whole bit.

That's not proof of an afterlife but the ride I took to the "entrance" would probably make anybody a believer.

Old Hippie, will you please tell all about your experience? Fascinating.

I've told it before,

I died in a 3rd floor apt. and was dragged down the outside stairs and left in the driveway for an ambulance.

I remember kinda "floating around and watching" from @ 25 ft. above the outside of the apt. building and watching the occupants drag me down the stairs to the driveway.

I remember thinking, "how'd I get up here and what's going on down there".
I guess I didn't realize that I had died and that was my body being drug down the stairs.

All of a sudden I entered this light tube/highway moving rapidly toward a very bright light. At the end of the tube my Grandmother was there waving me in. She said "Come on in Richard, everyone's here".

She had been deceased for @ 10 yrs. but when I got close I could see every wrinkle in her face, exactly how she used to apply her make-up and lipstick, and I could smell her beloved Lilac perfume.

I felt a little jostle and remember looking down at the ambulance guys who had backed into the drive and hearing them tell me "It's OK...just stay with me.....whey're gonna put this stuff in your arm and you'll wake up".

I remember watching them from above and thinking "Shit, I like it here".

They must have injected the drug into my arm because I remember kinda fading out.

The next thing I know I'm in the ER.

I'm not saying there's an after life and many studies have shown that it's just chemicals in the brain that fool ya but when I saw them drag me down the stairs, I had nothing on but a pair of pants. When I awoke in the hospital they asked me where the rest of my clothes were. I was fully clothed for winter when I went into the house.

It just makes ya think.........

 

[BurnItDwn]

No such beliefs here. Of course I can't prove reincarnation doesn't exist, but thus far, nobody has ever recorded and published any evidence to the contrary.

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: Viper0329
The Catholic teaching of eternal life is a little different than what is generally perceived by people. Yes, we do believe in Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory. However, the doctrine of the Church is usually not clearly understood.

Before we can discuss the afterlife, we must discuss the human person. The human person is made of two co-principles: body and soul. We can't call them parts for a reason that I will explain in a second. The body is the physical matter, while the soul is the "life spirit," I guess I can say. The soul contains faculties, and it is immortal. The body, however, is, since it is matter, decays and dies. The body and soul, however, are not two equal parts. In fact, we can't describe them as parts, because one cannot exist in its fullness without the other. A soul needs a body and a body needs a soul. This sounds like a bunch of gibberish, I know, but it's a very, very important philosophical distinction.

With this distinction in mind, we can talk about death. Since a soul needs a body, and vice-versa, we believe in the resurrection of the body after death. This is the principle of Catholic/Christian after-life. Jesus Christ, after dying on the Cross, was raised from the dead and conquered sin and death. At some point, we will experience a resurrection just in the same form as Christ's, a resurrection of the body. Then, we will be judged.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: AmdEmAll

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Our understanding of the universe is pretty comprehensive. And in this case the law of conservation of energy states you can't get something from nothing. So no majikal ghost is taking you to fairly land when you die.

You have no idea what you are talking about. We have many 'theories' on what the hell is going on out there but when it comes down to it we have no fucking clue about the universe.

IMO even if we some how solved all the answers to it, our minds wouldn't be able to comprehend it.

You don't know a lot about the theory of relativity or quantum mechanics. What we do know about the universe is staggering.

That doesn't make ideas with no good evidence like reincarnation magically plausible.

I'm of the same opinion

 

[WildHorse]

this excellent thread deserves bumpage

 

[IronWing]

It just ain't Christian.

 

[WildHorse]

Originally posted by: ironwing
It just ain't Christian.

Whether it's "Christian" is controversial.

No doubt it's not biblical canon in the bible which became the property of Rome and was changed to harmonize somewhat with other then-prevailing beliefs - zoraster stuff, Egypt stuff, etc.

When those Council of Carthage / Council of Nicea guys decided what's in or out, the reincarnation idea was drop-kicked outta there. Yet fragments survive, as quoted in one of my posts above.

Also, I (but that's just me) am willing to listen to the voice of the Nag Hamadi stuff Heresy!!! and think about it.


Then you also have the simple fact that it's true.

 

[eplebnista]

No, when we're gone, we're gone forever.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: So
WTF is wrong with you people?!?! Yes, we don't know everything, but we've carefully investigated all sorts of things about death and found no good evidence that indicates reincarnation. A lot of you are acting as if 'not knowing everything' somehow means that we can't rule an idea so unlikely to be laughable. Reincarnation is as plausible as...no, strike that, LESS PLAUSIBLE THAN, unicorns, faeries, and mermaids.

Hey, you explain to me what's in these (theorized) other eight or eleven or whatever damn dimensions and maybe I'll go along 😛

Strings. The Dimensions are theorized to be contained within objects known as Calabi Yau manifolds and are quite possibly smaller than the Planck Length, the smallest distance that we can measure. We do know a crap load about the Universe, we might not know everything, but all of our theories come from some sort of evidence, unlike the science centuries ago.

Actually the extra dimensions are in the shape of Calabi Yau manifolds, the Calabi Yau is not an object, it's a geometry.

</hair splitting> 🙂

To address nakedfrog's post, what the hell do extra dimensions have to do with reincarnation? Would it make sense for an ant living on the surface of a balloon to conclude that the fact that there is a 3rd dimension could mean that he'll be reincarnated? I really can't even fathom what it is you're getting at.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: So
WTF is wrong with you people?!?! Yes, we don't know everything, but we've carefully investigated all sorts of things about death and found no good evidence that indicates reincarnation. A lot of you are acting as if 'not knowing everything' somehow means that we can't rule an idea so unlikely to be laughable. Reincarnation is as plausible as...no, strike that, LESS PLAUSIBLE THAN, unicorns, faeries, and mermaids.

Passed inspection- JJZ 07/19/2009

 

[jinduy]

i'd like to believe it were true... but i'm quite doubtful

anyhow, reincarnation is kinda meaningless to me. you have no memory of your past life whatsoever, so why the F does it matter if you reincarnate or not? who's gonna be the big winner from reincarnating?

 

[Cyco]

If past lives and reincarnation doesn't exist, it seems like an awful waste of time.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

I don't believe in reincarnation for the same reason I don't believe in unicorns, virgin births or astrology: there is no good reason to. And don't give me that "we don't know everything" bullshit, unless you're willing to proclaim your agnosticism about the magical teapot that orbits the sun between Mercury and Venus.

 

[Scouzer]

I doubt it, but I also don't really care either way.

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: Aurobindo
The changing personality is not this mental person; it is a composite of various stuff of Nature, a formation of Prakriti and is not at all the Purusha. And it is a very complex composite with many layers; there is a layer of physical, a layer of nervous, a layer of mental, even a final stratum of supramental personality; and within these layers themselves there are strata within each stratum. The analysis of the successive couches of the earth is a simple matter compared with the analysis of this wonderful creation we call the personality. The mental being in resuming bodily life forms a new personality for its new terrestrial existence; it takes material from the common matter-stuff, life-stuff, mind-stuff of the physical world and during earthly life it is constantly absorbing fresh material, throwing out what is used up, changing its bodily, nervous and mental tissues. But this is all surface work; behind is the foundation of past experience held back from the physical memory so that the superficial consciousness may not be troubled or interfered with by the conscious burden of the past but may concentrate on the work immediately in hand. Still that foundation of past experience is the bedrock of personality; and it is more than that. It is our real fund on which we can always draw even apart from our present superficial commerce with our surroundings. That commerce adds to our gains, modifies the foundation for a subsequent existence

Moreover, all this is, again, on the surface. It is only a small part of ourselves which lives and acts in the energies of our earthly existence. As behind the physical universe there are worlds of which ours is only a last result, so also within us there are worlds of our self-existence which throw out this external form of our being. The subconscient, the superconscient are oceans from which and to which this river flows. Therefore to speak of ourselves as a soul reincarnating is to give altogether too simple an appearance to the miracle of our existence; it puts into too ready and too gross a formula the magic of the supreme Magician. There is not a definite psychic entity getting into a new case of flesh; there is a metempsychosis, a reinsouling, a rebirth of new psychic personality as well as a birth of a new body. And behind is the Person, the unchanging entity, the Master who manipulates this complex material, the Artificer of this wondrous artifice.

This is the starting-point from which we have to proceed in considering the problem of rebirth. To view ourselves as such and such a personality getting into a new case of flesh is to stumble about in the ignorance, to confirm the error of the material mind and the senses. The body is a convenience, the personality is a constant formation for whose development action and experience are the instruments; but the Self by whose will and for whose delight all this is, is other than the body, other than the action and experience, other than the personality which they develop. To ignore it is to ignore the whole secret of our being.

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/di..._reincarnatingsoul.asp