Kalmah
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Not exactly.. say you do not deny the existence.. but don't also consider it true. It's not that you aren't unsure.. you have made the decision to believe in the possibility.
Is it even possible to be 'sure' anyways?
Edit: Nevermind the question. People can convince themselves that they are sure.. regardless..
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Ok... I for instance deny the existence of a god. I do not believe there is one. YET, I am open to the idea there could be one. If a god existed, they would have to prove to me their existence... When they did, I would openly accept them as such. I believe almost all atheists are this way. We deny the existence because there is no proof, when we have proof, we know.. We don't believe. I am making generalizations, but I think this is true.
Amused
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Your argument is hilarious.
Why is it so damn hard for people to just say "I don't know"?
If you cannot prove (to yourself through empirical evidence or faith) existence or the non-existence of something, you do not know. Period.
I wonder how many agnositcs skipped over the "not sure" option because they cannot simply say "I don't know."
An agnostic claims that existence of a god is unknowable, therefore he himself cannot know. Therefore the correct answer for an agnostic would be the "not sure" option.
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Amused
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Amused Agnostic: I don't know and I think it's wonderful that you believe in whatever you want to.
I've seen a lot of very troubled people find peace in faith. And hey, even a placebo can be a very effective treatment. Who am I to argue with success?
I just find it funny and rather sad that non-belivers often become the very thing they hate: Fanatics who judge people who believe differently than they do.
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I hate those militant agnostics. You guys seem to always put us in the same barrel as the people who think that god exists! We are better than them trash!
Originally posted by: Amused
Amused Agnostic: I don't know and I think it's wonderful that you believe in whatever you want to.
I've seen a lot of very troubled people find peace in faith. And hey, even a placebo can be a very effective treatment. Who am I to argue with success?
I just find it funny and rather sad that non-belivers often become the very thing they hate: Fanatics who judge people who believe differently than they do.
Hah, at least what we do doesn't dictate our life choices.
Amused
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Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
I hate those militant agnostics. You guys seem to always put us in the same barrel as the people who think that god exists! We are better than them trash!
Originally posted by: Amused
Amused Agnostic: I don't know and I think it's wonderful that you believe in whatever you want to.
I've seen a lot of very troubled people find peace in faith. And hey, even a placebo can be a very effective treatment. Who am I to argue with success?
I just find it funny and rather sad that non-belivers often become the very thing they hate: Fanatics who judge people who believe differently than they do.
Hah, at least what we do doesn't dictate our life choices.
Yes it does. Everything you do dictates it.
From your morality, to your empathy for others, to your selfish whims and irrational fears.
Their's are just different from yours.
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
I hate those militant agnostics. You guys seem to always put us in the same barrel as the people who think that god exists! We are better than them trash!
Originally posted by: Amused
Amused Agnostic: I don't know and I think it's wonderful that you believe in whatever you want to.
I've seen a lot of very troubled people find peace in faith. And hey, even a placebo can be a very effective treatment. Who am I to argue with success?
I just find it funny and rather sad that non-belivers often become the very thing they hate: Fanatics who judge people who believe differently than they do.
Hah, at least what we do doesn't dictate our life choices.
Yes it does. Everything you do dictates it.
From your morality, to your empathy for others, to your selfish whims and irrational fears.
Their's are just different from yours.
What irrational fears do I have?
MY morality is definitely not based upon my "godless nature." It's based upon what society has built.
Really have no empathy, shame that is...
Selfish whims, hmm.. No, that's society too.
Amused
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Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
I hate those militant agnostics. You guys seem to always put us in the same barrel as the people who think that god exists! We are better than them trash!
Originally posted by: Amused
Amused Agnostic: I don't know and I think it's wonderful that you believe in whatever you want to.
I've seen a lot of very troubled people find peace in faith. And hey, even a placebo can be a very effective treatment. Who am I to argue with success?
I just find it funny and rather sad that non-belivers often become the very thing they hate: Fanatics who judge people who believe differently than they do.
Hah, at least what we do doesn't dictate our life choices.
Yes it does. Everything you do dictates it.
From your morality, to your empathy for others, to your selfish whims and irrational fears.
Their's are just different from yours.
What irrational fears do I have?
MY morality is definitely not based upon my "godless nature." It's based upon what society has built.
Really have no empathy, shame that is...
Selfish whims, hmm.. No, that's society too.
Ah, so you blame your own shortcomings on society?
Morality stems from logical selfishness. If you do not wish to be murdered, you agree not to murder. If you value your property, you agree not to steal. And if you lose something, you would LIKE to have it returned to you, therefore you return lost items you find.
And if you wish to be treated with respect, you treat others with respect.
This is what is wrong with non-believers who believe non-belief sets them free from common morality. They lack the logic to understand why morality has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with creating a civilized society.
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
I hate those militant agnostics. You guys seem to always put us in the same barrel as the people who think that god exists! We are better than them trash!
Originally posted by: Amused
Amused Agnostic: I don't know and I think it's wonderful that you believe in whatever you want to.
I've seen a lot of very troubled people find peace in faith. And hey, even a placebo can be a very effective treatment. Who am I to argue with success?
I just find it funny and rather sad that non-belivers often become the very thing they hate: Fanatics who judge people who believe differently than they do.
Hah, at least what we do doesn't dictate our life choices.
Yes it does. Everything you do dictates it.
From your morality, to your empathy for others, to your selfish whims and irrational fears.
Their's are just different from yours.
What irrational fears do I have?
MY morality is definitely not based upon my "godless nature." It's based upon what society has built.
Really have no empathy, shame that is...
Selfish whims, hmm.. No, that's society too.
Ah, so you blame your own shortcomings on society?
Morality stems from logical selfishness. If you do not wish to be murdered, you agree not to murder. If you value your property, you agree not to steal. And if you lose something, you would LIKE to have it returned to you, therefore you return lost items you find.
And if you wish to be treated with respect, you treat others with respect.
This is what is wrong with non-believers who believe non-belief sets them free from common morality. They lack the logic to understand why morality has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with creating a civilized society.
lol wtf? You realize that society is what everything you are. Society made you, you didn't make you. Everything I am is just a reaction to the actions of others. The same is said for everyone. The only thing that makes us different is our genetics, and the situations we came upon.
Amused
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Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
I hate those militant agnostics. You guys seem to always put us in the same barrel as the people who think that god exists! We are better than them trash!
Originally posted by: Amused
Amused Agnostic: I don't know and I think it's wonderful that you believe in whatever you want to.
I've seen a lot of very troubled people find peace in faith. And hey, even a placebo can be a very effective treatment. Who am I to argue with success?
I just find it funny and rather sad that non-belivers often become the very thing they hate: Fanatics who judge people who believe differently than they do.
Hah, at least what we do doesn't dictate our life choices.
Yes it does. Everything you do dictates it.
From your morality, to your empathy for others, to your selfish whims and irrational fears.
Their's are just different from yours.
What irrational fears do I have?
MY morality is definitely not based upon my "godless nature." It's based upon what society has built.
Really have no empathy, shame that is...
Selfish whims, hmm.. No, that's society too.
Ah, so you blame your own shortcomings on society?
Morality stems from logical selfishness. If you do not wish to be murdered, you agree not to murder. If you value your property, you agree not to steal. And if you lose something, you would LIKE to have it returned to you, therefore you return lost items you find.
And if you wish to be treated with respect, you treat others with respect.
This is what is wrong with non-believers who believe non-belief sets them free from common morality. They lack the logic to understand why morality has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with creating a civilized society.
lol wtf? You realize that society is what everything you are. Society made you, you didn't make you. Everything I am is just a reaction to the actions of others. The same is said for everyone. The only thing that makes us different is our genetics, and the situations we came upon.
Society influences us, but what makes us is us. You have a choice.
You can play the blame game all your life, or you can take control of your life.
It IS your choice. We are individuals, not a hive mind. You can live your life simply reacting to others, or act on your own.
Sorry some silly college professor taught you this, but it's simply wrong. And this line of thinking is what has led to the slow decline of personal responsibility in our society.
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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
I hate those militant agnostics. You guys seem to always put us in the same barrel as the people who think that god exists! We are better than them trash!
Originally posted by: Amused
Amused Agnostic: I don't know and I think it's wonderful that you believe in whatever you want to.
I've seen a lot of very troubled people find peace in faith. And hey, even a placebo can be a very effective treatment. Who am I to argue with success?
I just find it funny and rather sad that non-belivers often become the very thing they hate: Fanatics who judge people who believe differently than they do.
Hah, at least what we do doesn't dictate our life choices.
Yes it does. Everything you do dictates it.
From your morality, to your empathy for others, to your selfish whims and irrational fears.
Their's are just different from yours.
What irrational fears do I have?
MY morality is definitely not based upon my "godless nature." It's based upon what society has built.
Really have no empathy, shame that is...
Selfish whims, hmm.. No, that's society too.
Ah, so you blame your own shortcomings on society?
Morality stems from logical selfishness. If you do not wish to be murdered, you agree not to murder. If you value your property, you agree not to steal. And if you lose something, you would LIKE to have it returned to you, therefore you return lost items you find.
And if you wish to be treated with respect, you treat others with respect.
This is what is wrong with non-believers who believe non-belief sets them free from common morality. They lack the logic to understand why morality has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with creating a civilized society.
lol wtf? You realize that society is what everything you are. Society made you, you didn't make you. Everything I am is just a reaction to the actions of others. The same is said for everyone. The only thing that makes us different is our genetics, and the situations we came upon.
Society influences us, but what makes us is us. You have a choice.
You can play the blame game all your life, or you can take control of your life.
It IS your choice. We are individuals, not a hive mind. You can live your life simply reacting to others, or act on your own.
Sorry some silly college professor taught you this, but it's simply wrong. And this line of thinking is what has led to the slow decline of personal responsibility in our society.
Everything I am saying is going over your head.
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