Maybe blacks have been suppressed for so long, they have a much higher drive in whatever they do to succeed. Crime, sports, etc.... never bass fishing IMO
Maybe blacks have been suppressed for so long, they have a much higher drive in whatever they do to succeed. Crime, sports, etc.... never bass fishing IMO
Originally posted by: Atomicus
Maybe blacks have been suppressed for so long, they have a much higher drive in whatever they do to succeed. Crime, sports, etc.... never bass fishing IMO
That's cause they're all about the fried chicken. Rednecks fish, and rich white people just eat the caviar. Geez, someone needs to get this guy's steriotypes straight.....
j/kI DO however think it's rather funny that people are basing their opinion on scientific things (genetic predispositions) on commonly held steriotypes.
I say we make it an election issue and let the politicians make up our minds for us!!
It determines the IQ in the same way someone's nationality determines their language. It's more about the upbringing, IMO.
But, evolutionarily speaking, there is a lot of illegitimacy in the AfAm community. So a lot of females are picking dumb losers who can't even support their own kids to be fathers. So that would dictate that more dumb genes would get passed on than if they were picking smart responsible working men to be fathers.
Though I still think that upbringing, expecially in the very early years is what most influences intelligence, and I think that is also a problem in that community.
But, evolutionarily speaking, there is a lot of illegitimacy in the AfAm community. So a lot of females are picking dumb losers who can't even support their own kids to be fathers. So that would dictate that more dumb genes would get passed on than if they were picking smart responsible working men to be fathers.
Though I still think that upbringing, expecially in the very early years is what most influences intelligence, and I think that is also a problem in that community.
moshquerade
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i agree mostly. but i think it depends very very much on culture. do i believe some cultures are superior to other cultures? (white culture to black culture, western vs eastern etc. etc.) definately. i think people are mistaking superior cultures for superior races.
I don't see why not. Certain races are taller on average, have different skin color, have different resistences to diseases or genetic disorders, etc... Intelligence (potential) is determined by genetics like any other trait. Sorry, you would have to be stupid to not consider that intelligence could be tied to race. But understand that I'm not saying that factors like culture, upbringing, quality of schooling, and desire can't override these factors. Too many of you are caught up on these other factors rather than just answering the question asked or are just too damn PC to answer honestly.
i guess the "REAL" question is ... are whites genetically predisposed to having 'better' genes than blacks?
in a way being 'PC' is causing the race problem to linger. if we cant accept each other's differences, whether they are better or worse than our own, we will be doomed to an ignorant culture forever. how can anyone get pissed off about facts? if science proved that blacks were smarter than whites then i would accept that. or vice versa. fact is that if there are any facts (which i havent seen many in this thread) we would have to accept them. blacks have many qualities that are better than whites. whites have many qualities that are better than blacks but most people are called racist if they claim the latter. i guess the goal would be to figure out each race's strengths and weaknesses and strengthen our species by compensating for/utilizing them. but there are always exceptions to every rule so this theory probably would not work in practice.
what humans need is a common enemy. i think thats the only force that will unite us on a global level.
I totally agree.
And it isnt a sterotype that blacks are better athletes, it is a fact. A FACT. I don't have a problem accepting the possibilty that asians may be smarter than whites. I don't care.
Well, the big problem is that everyone ( or so it seems) is so afraid to say that out loud. One of the problems is the easy tossing around of the word "racist", and the feelings that the word implies. I think that the only resolution to this issue will come when we do away with "being PC"
Good lord. There's no way I'm going to bother reading this whole thread. All I will say is being of a mixed race, I consider myself superior to all of you, in every way.
Originally posted by: Isla
Good lord. There's no way I'm going to bother reading this whole thread. All I will say is being of a mixed race, I consider myself superior to all of you, in every way.
How do you know you didn't cancel out each good gene. You would have been a good athlete if it wasn't for that white in you and you would have been genius if it wasn't for the black. If that is the correct mixture.
IMO, i think chinese are among the smarter races in the world. I am a abc (american-born-chinese), but i base my statement on what i see in elementry school, junior high school and now high school. Most of the chinese students in school had they're parents immigrate here from china. Perhaps it is because the chinese are raised in better societies where they're parents usually work and can support the family. But most of my peer's parents work in low-end jobs like factories and restaurants where pay isn't exactly sky-roof high.
I think it is because chinese people spend more time on classwork and actually do their homework. I often notice most of the chinese people in my classes do their homework. If you were to rank a class, in general the chinese people usually rank out on top. Math is usually one of the strong points among the chinese people but if you look in today's school's, the chinese are also getting strong in english and writing.
Just my two cents.
I think it is because chinese people spend more time on classwork and actually do their homework. I often notice most of the chinese people in my classes do their homework. If you were to rank a class, in general the chinese people usually rank out on top. Math is usually one of the strong points among the chinese people but if you look in today's school's, the chinese are also getting strong in english and writing.
Just my two cents.
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Yes, but not entirely. Intellect is a rather broad thing, and it is often difficult to attribute something directly to genetics. Some things, however, can't really be explained any other way, such as how those of African ancestry seem much more likely to get certain diseases and disorders, I think sickle-cell enimia(sp) is one, than the European and Asian populations, both of which are known to have been trading, albeit oddly, with each other for thousands of years, and maintain these honed immune systems without being exposed to many of the nasty things they once were (though exposure to germs in general is a must). Native Americans have similar issues, but I don't recall many specifics off-hand.
However, I have yet to see any evidence that there are generic differences that may account for any difference in one's ability for abstract reasoning. These mental skills that we may train through various means are a necessity in any culture as well, so there would be no reason for them to differ much purely based on many generations in a different environment.
Now, if we could just not get in the pile, but save the planet, we could all become one happy non-descript species with no differences and a language derived entirely from "the t'k ayr jobs!"
There's a word for this. It's called ethnocentrism. Trust me, chinese people are famous for it, especially behind closed doors. Actually, most races are ethnocentric to at least some degree.
I'm not sure if chinese or asians are "smarter" than other races. They could be, but i suspect not by a great degree. Probably barely measurable assuming we had some scale to measure it. The difference, as we've all noted and heard about a billion times in this thread, is that cultural differences have various outcomes. It just so happens that the asian culture focuses on things like education. That doesnt necessarily mean we're smarter. I hate when people think students with high grades are smarter. It's like when i was wrestling and people naturally thought the best guys were simply the strongest guys. Good grades doesnt always imply intelligence, just as # of wins in wrestling doesnt always imply strength.
It's what the culture emphasizes. Black culture emphasizes athletics. Asian culture emphasizes education. That's why there are more asian in education than blacks and why there are more blacks in athletics than asians.
Education != Intelligence
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It was amusing watching Jesse Jackson's face as Cosby started breaking away the one thing that keeps his pockets' full. Inequity.
Then hearing him backtrack on CNN should at least show anyone who had some doubts to his sincerity in the cause how full of crap he is.
I personaly believe that there's a giant conspiracy amongst dogs. I mean think about it, they recognise their name when you say it, they come when you tell them to they just PRETEND not to understand us sometimes so we think "hehe dumb dog." when they are really just waiting until a large enough percentage of us own dogs (as the numbers are on the rise) then when the moment is right they will enslave us all and feed US table scraps. I'm telling you dogs>humans so this debate is really pointless since dog is the greatest race around....
...think about it... 0.o
...think about it... 0.o
i agree.. asians tend to be better at math and school in general
but, no offense intended, asians lack common sense. and generally take longer to comprehend a trouble shooting problem. this is from my personal experience with asians and is not directed toward you or the race. they have book smarts but lack the ability to use that knowledge to interactively solve problems or even identify the problem. it may be because they hold school in such a high standard that it inhibits their ability to think proactively and independently. its as if they do not dare to challenge documented procedures and in effect do not really think for themselves. again, im not directing this toward you or asians in general .... its merely a hypothesis based on my limited experiences with the asians i have worked with.
This is a good observation, and I have a clear answer for this. It has to do with the pedagogy within the asian educational system back in the homeland. Education there consists of "rote learning" - the repeated practice of an algorithm, so as to eventually master it. This is incredibly powerful with the sciences and mathematic disciplines. Its no coincidence that the math and comp sci labs are filled with asian nerds. This is their conception of learning, and is what they are familiar with. That Chinese kids IS actually sitting there doing problem after problem after problem. That's what they are trained to do in China, and even for those born here, what their parents have taught them to do.
Rote learning makes people extremely good at a specific behavior, but suffers from being ultra specialized. This makes sense in eastern countries, where people specialize early in life, expected to perform a specific trade. No desire exists to be well-rounded or "intellectual".
It's starting to happen here, too. There are constant attempts to do away with the arts and social sciences as they aren't "productive". Highschools are losing funding for those disciplines, and the sciences are being pushed harder and harder.
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