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Do you believe certain races are superior to others in intellect?

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imported_Tomato

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A post I saw in another thread just floored me.

Original post:
Originally posted by: ScoobMaster
Pamela Lewis wanted to have her 6-year-old son Nicholas take a standardized IQ test to determine if he qualifies for special education speech therapy. Officials at his school routinely provide the test to kids but as Lewis soon found out, not to children who are black, due to a statewide policy that goes back to 1979.

At that time, many black kids performed poorly on the IQ test and wound up in special education classes. A lawsuit claimed the test was biased and a judge agreed ? banning public schools from giving the test to black children while allowing it for everyone else.

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Originally posted by: fredtam
Good for her. Maybe this will bring reality back to education. I only wish I knew what you needed to score to be selected for the remedial classes. Those test are denied to blacks because nearly all would qualify. Not because the test are biased but because evolution is. Yet we deny that fact and lump everyone together in an attempt to have equality. This is not to say blacks are stupid or can't learn but that different teaching methods may be needed and our idea that equality means everybody gets the same thing is flawed.
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Does anyone else really believe in the "validity" of The Bell Curve?

I hope this won't degenerate into a flame fest, but I have a feeling that'd be like hoping an ice cube won't melt in the desert.

Bonus link for those who vote "yes".

One more bonus link, fun fun fun!

Those of you who vote "yes"... I'd be interested in hearing your arguments in support of your opinion.
 
Absolutely not. Anyone who believes that being of one race somehow gives you superiority over another race needs to lay off the crack pipe.
 
My grandmother just said something like this today. She said black people should have more babies with white people so they can become smarter and better people. Sad, I know. I don't blame her as it's how she was brought up. I can totally understand why black people hate the white man when this way of thinking WAS the norm for so long.
 
The only advantages that other races inherantly have is that certain ones -- blacks, hispanics, arabs -- don't sunburn as easily as others.

Curse me and my Irish-English-German ancestry. I don't tan, I fry.
 
I'm not an anthropoligist, an evolutionary scientist, a psychologist, or a social scientist.

Therefore I have no idea. I'm going to play devil's advocate and say that there are lots of physical differences, is it that crazy to think there may be mental differences?
 
Its not the fact their black, its the fact most of the black parents (and a good majority of white, hispanic and others as well) dont give a rats ass about education, and view it more as 8 hours of baby sitting then preparing them for the real world.
 
i don't really understand the stuff posted above


i think each individual stands alone, some individuals are intellectually superior to other individuals

if you then count the # of people in particular groups that are at XXX intellect level and come to a conclusion, you are making a mistake. there are too many variables that determine that intellect level of each particular individual to reach any conclusions
 
You guys are absolutely ridiculous to believe that one race is not more superior than another. I would hope that the human race is superior.
 
there's a difference between your topic title and your poll question

i know a lot of you think this is rediculous and get offended. but we have different skin color, we have different average heights, we have different everything. our brains are but another part of our body. why is it so rediculous that the combination of genes and settings exclusive to a "race", the same combination that results in more noticeable differences such as skin and hair color, couldn't result in any difference in the way the brain works?

this is basically what chaotic42 said, except i would assert that mental differences are physical differences. the brain, our intellect, these are all physical things, there is no magical non-physical aspect to them.

that said, i don't believe any race is "superior" to the other in any way. nature plays a role, but so does nurture, and in something like intellect, i think nurture plays a pretty damn large role. but i believe it is possible that nature might influence things.
 
Originally posted by: bobbybe01
You guys are absolutely ridiculous to believe that one race is not more superior than another. I would hope that the human race is superior.
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Sorry, dolphins can kick our asses in the intelligence department. 😛
 
I think that there is almost definitely a difference between races in terms of solving various problems or learning or things of this nature. It seems likely, given that intelligence is based in part on genetics, and the races do differ in so many other areas, such as height, propensity of diseases, etc. Of course it's so un-PC to discuss the possibility.
 
Originally posted by: yukichigai
Originally posted by: bobbybe01
You guys are absolutely ridiculous to believe that one race is not more superior than another. I would hope that the human race is superior.
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Sorry, dolphins can kick our asses in the intelligence department. 😛
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No no, elephants man
 
I think there's bound to be some physiological brain differences between different races. Just as how it differs between men and women. So there's probably a different baseline of intellegence but that doesn't prevent a person from obtain future knowledge.
 
Thats a retarded assumption. IQ tests can be biased, no doubt about that. To say one race is smarter or dumber is ignorant of the situation. Even modern IQ tests only measure like 6 levels of intelligence. If I recall correctly from my stats class (we discussed this issue tons because it involved proper levels of measurements) there are over 100 levels of intelligence. So yes, IQ tests are bias. Hell, the guy teaching my course only scored like a 85 on his IQ test, but has a PhD, and when he took his graduate test, he scored well above the average.
 
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I'm not an anthropoligist, an evolutionary scientist, a psychologist, or a social scientist.

Therefore I have no idea. I'm going to play devil's advocate and say that there are lots of physical differences, is it that crazy to think there may be mental differences?
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What he said.
 
This goes back to the age-old nature vs. nurture argument. I think race as a completely isolated qualty has no bearing WHATSOEVER on intelligence, literacy, etc. But when you look at economic data that indicates certain races are more likely to be upper-class vs. other races more likely to be lower-class, that's where intelligence comes into play.

My take? Race has absolutely NOTHING to do with intelligence. The real issue here is socioeconomic status, which has a huge bearing on intelligence and knowledge, and often favors certain races over others.
 
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