Do you believe certain races are superior to others in intellect?

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: FallenHero
Thats a retarded assumption. IQ tests can be biased, no doubt about that. To say one race is smarter or dumber is ignorant of the situation. Even modern IQ tests only measure like 6 levels of intelligence. If I recall correctly from my stats class (we discussed this issue tons because it involved proper levels of measurements) there are over 100 levels of intelligence. So yes, IQ tests are bias. Hell, the guy teaching my course only scored like a 85 on his IQ test, but has a PhD, and when he took his graduate test, he scored well above the average.

Just because an IQ test may not accurateyl portray intelligence doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, and it doesn't mean that one race can be smarter than another. Indeed, I'm smarter than your average retard, whether I get a lesser score on an IQ test or not, so it's a valid idea to assert that one race may be smarter than another. The only problem is that it's much harder to test. If I say that that blacks are genetically pre-disposed to be taller than asians, this is a quantitative fact that can be backed up. Intelligence is merely harder to test.

Is anyone willing to admit they voted "yes" and please explain why?

I did.

 

[Amused]

No. I think the problem with much of the black community today is culture, not inherent differences.

Many of them have been sold a victim mentality by their supposed community leaders, and have rejected education and civility as "acting white." They are cutting of their noses to spite their faces.

 

[Shockwave]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: FallenHero
Thats a retarded assumption. IQ tests can be biased, no doubt about that. To say one race is smarter or dumber is ignorant of the situation. Even modern IQ tests only measure like 6 levels of intelligence. If I recall correctly from my stats class (we discussed this issue tons because it involved proper levels of measurements) there are over 100 levels of intelligence. So yes, IQ tests are bias. Hell, the guy teaching my course only scored like a 85 on his IQ test, but has a PhD, and when he took his graduate test, he scored well above the average.

Just because an IQ test may not accurateyl portray intelligence doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, and it doesn't mean that one race can be smarter than another. Indeed, I'm smarter than your average retard, whether I get a lesser score on an IQ test or not, so it's a valid idea to assert that one race may be smarter than another. The only problem is that it's much harder to test. If I say that that blacks are genetically pre-disposed to be taller than asians, this is a quantitative fact that can be backed up. Intelligence is merely harder to test.

Yeah, you at least keep your drool rag buttoned onto your shirt 😛

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: FallenHero
Thats a retarded assumption. IQ tests can be biased, no doubt about that. To say one race is smarter or dumber is ignorant of the situation. Even modern IQ tests only measure like 6 levels of intelligence. If I recall correctly from my stats class (we discussed this issue tons because it involved proper levels of measurements) there are over 100 levels of intelligence. So yes, IQ tests are bias. Hell, the guy teaching my course only scored like a 85 on his IQ test, but has a PhD, and when he took his graduate test, he scored well above the average.

Just because an IQ test may not accurateyl portray intelligence doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, and it doesn't mean that one race can be smarter than another. Indeed, I'm smarter than your average retard, whether I get a lesser score on an IQ test or not, so it's a valid idea to assert that one race may be smarter than another. The only problem is that it's much harder to test. If I say that that blacks are genetically pre-disposed to be taller than asians, this is a quantitative fact that can be backed up. Intelligence is merely harder to test.

Yeah, you at least keep your drool rag buttoned onto your shirt 😛

:laugh:

 

Originally posted by: Amused
No. I think the problem with much of the black community today is culture, not inherent differences.

Many of them have been sold a victim mentality by their supposed community leaders, and have rejected education and civility as "acting white." They are cutting of their noses to spite their faces.

Agreed. :Q

For further information, please see Bill Cosby.

 

[Ausm]

I think there are both Exceptionally Intelligent people in all races and also incredibly stupid people in ALL races also...


Sysadmin

 

[MonkeyK]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I'm not an anthropoligist, an evolutionary scientist, a psychologist, or a social scientist.

Therefore I have no idea. I'm going to play devil's advocate and say that there are lots of physical differences, is it that crazy to think there may be mental differences?

What he said. We are not all automatically statistically equal in every regard.

And I'll go even further: "The Bell Curve" is not outrageous. All it is saying is that if someone good at math has children with someone good at math, there is a better chance that the children will be good at math.

BUT!!!!!

Look out for what you mean by intellect. We define intelligence by our ability to solve certian types of problems. I am not conviced that they problem types we use are adequete. I've met people who have incredible (what I call) social intelligence --they can manuver conversations and make people feel good about themselves. I've met people with musical intelligence --they can improvise to anything at all. How many other kinds of intelligence are not being measured.

Also, I have no idea which race is better than which other race at any intellectual persuit.

 

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: SampSon
Whites > *

Only in the business world. :roll:

Naw, just straight up whites > *

Wanna fight over it, bitch?

 

[Fingolfin269]

Look at this from another angle. (Devil's Advocate!)

Is it safe to say that, on average, the minds of men and women are different and therefore, on average, men are typically better at learning certain things and women are better at learning certain things? Why can the same not be applicable to race?

No one is saying that one race is intellectually superior. But what if one race has a natural ability to be better at something than the other and vice versa?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Shockwave

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: FallenHero
Thats a retarded assumption. IQ tests can be biased, no doubt about that. To say one race is smarter or dumber is ignorant of the situation. Even modern IQ tests only measure like 6 levels of intelligence. If I recall correctly from my stats class (we discussed this issue tons because it involved proper levels of measurements) there are over 100 levels of intelligence. So yes, IQ tests are bias. Hell, the guy teaching my course only scored like a 85 on his IQ test, but has a PhD, and when he took his graduate test, he scored well above the average.

Just because an IQ test may not accurateyl portray intelligence doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, and it doesn't mean that one race can be smarter than another. Indeed, I'm smarter than your average retard, whether I get a lesser score on an IQ test or not, so it's a valid idea to assert that one race may be smarter than another. The only problem is that it's much harder to test. If I say that that blacks are genetically pre-disposed to be taller than asians, this is a quantitative fact that can be backed up. Intelligence is merely harder to test.

Yeah, you at least keep your drool rag buttoned onto your shirt 😛

That reminds me. It's gotten really dirty again 😱

 

[MAME]

I believe genetically many people are born smarter. Whether one race is genetically favored is unclear to me but it's completely plausible.

I also believe Blacks are genetically better at physical activities (read: sports) than most of the world. I think there was proof of this somewhere but I'm not quite certain.

 

[GrumpyMan]

I think that it really depends on where you're at. If I was in the African bush I'm sure I wouldn't last 2 weeks by myself not knowing how to survive in that environment. By the same token an African might not last 2 weeks in Alabama. In other words I'm stupid in Africa but can survive here so I would be considered somewhat smarter here but totally dumb in Africa.

 

[DWW]

I don't understand how people think there could NOT be a difference based on race.

Like others have said before me, many other physical features differ so it is only reasonable to think our brains differ too.

Society has already established that our DNA can and does reflect the intelligence expected from us (very smart couples more than likely have smart children) and race is no different than a certain section of our DNA passed down. To outright deny that sort of truth is just sad and disturbing.

 

[StageLeft]

Is it safe to say that, on average, the minds of men and women are different and therefore, on average, men are typically better at learning certain things and women are better at learning certain things? Why can the same not be applicable to race?

We can't say the same about race because the PC police have drilled it into the public's head that it's a no-no topic. All the Bell Curve book did was to put those police on overtime and really give out the citations, so now nobody in the public will speak about it except to say that everyone is equal. I have little doubt that there are statistical differences in raw intelligence and capabilities of races. Really though it doesn't merit much attention I shouldn't think, since the races are more similar than not, and one's immediate genes (ie, their parents) is surely more important than their race, and their environment will bring the capabilities of their genes out more than their race will influence them. So, in conclusion even if one race is smarter than another, it's not worth a heck of a lot.

 

[eigen]

Are whites more intellegent due to race, no (gentetics over and over again has shown there is no scientific basis for race) . I think whites are more intellegent due to the overwhemling superiority of Western Culture since the 16th century.

 

[Deadtrees]

so....Michael Jackson is smarter now?

 

[Asharus]

Originally posted by: eigen
Are whites more intellegent due to race, no (gentetics over and over again has shown there is no scientific basis for race) . I think whites are more intellegent due to the overwhemling superiority of Western Culture since the 16th century.

Where do Asians fall in the stereotypes, smarter than Whites, correct?

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Amused
No. I think the problem with much of the black community today is culture, not inherent differences.

Many of them have been sold a victim mentality by their supposed community leaders, and have rejected education and civility as "acting white." They are cutting of their noses to spite their faces.

Hammer, meet nail. On the head.

 

[yukichigai]

Originally posted by: Asharus

Originally posted by: eigen
Are whites more intellegent due to race, no (gentetics over and over again has shown there is no scientific basis for race) . I think whites are more intellegent due to the overwhemling superiority of Western Culture since the 16th century.

Where do Asians fall in the stereotypes, smarter than Whites, correct?

Again, cultural. Their ancestral society is very much based on achievement and overacheivement.

Y'know, the arguments in this thread really boil down to Nature vs. Nurture. Interesting.

 

[PingSpike]

Go-go Gadget Flamesuit!

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: eigen
Are whites more intellegent due to race, no (gentetics over and over again has shown there is no scientific basis for race) . I think whites are more intellegent due to the overwhemling superiority of Western Culture since the 16th century.

something that has always bothered me... if there is no biological basis for race, then why do black people have black children, white people have white children, etc?

 

[RgrPark]

When u look at regions of the world occupied by one race, you can pretty much see their potential.

U can look at Europe and see how they advanced through the years...the whites pretty much setting the standards. War being the major influence of technological advances, they moved pretty fast.

Asia is catching up; u can possibly give an excuse for being slow in the 1800-early 1900s due to their culture/religion influencing them. However, they have rapidly caught up and they are arguably on par in terms of technology.

Africa, well they had the biggest headstart and from what i know, war has been a common theme there throughout the ages. Don't know what they're doing though. If you transplanted a whole bunch of whites into Africa, would they end up the same? oops forgot South Africa.

I am just pointing out something a lot of people might have noticed but were too shy to say.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Amused
No. I think the problem with much of the black community today is culture, not inherent differences.

Many of them have been sold a victim mentality by their supposed community leaders, and have rejected education and civility as "acting white." They are cutting of their noses to spite their faces.

Oh boy, I hope classy doesn't find this thread. Or was he vacationed?

I agree with gopunk and Chaotic42. There are obvious physical differences, so why is it so hard to believe that there could be differences in intelligence? Apparantly that's politically incorrect.

Culture does play a huge part in their outcomes though.

 

[imported_Strang]

Originally posted by: RgrPark
When u look at regions of the world occupied by one race, you can pretty much see their potential.

U can look at Europe and see how they advanced through the years...the whites pretty much setting the standards. War being the major influence of technological advances, they moved pretty fast.

Asia is catching up; u can possibly give an excuse for being slow in the 1800-early 1900s due to their culture/religion influencing them. However, they have rapidly caught up and they are arguably on par in terms of technology.

Africa, well they had the biggest headstart and from what i know, war has been a common theme there throughout the ages. Don't know what they're doing though. If you transplanted a whole bunch of whites into Africa, would they end up the same? oops forgot South Africa.

I am just pointing out something a lot of people might have noticed but were too shy to say.

Wait, so Asia was technologically far behind Europe until just recently? Because Europeans fought a lot? And Africans fought a lot but didn't advance technologically?

I'm sure that everyone else was just too shy to say that.

 

[homestarmy]

What do you think about the people that respond about different ethnicities scoring lower on IQ tests with basically that it is created for white people etc etc etc.

What do they want to see on the IQ test... which is the correct size for an 8-ball? Or, if Leroy had 30 grams of cocaine and the cops busted him and he snorted 5 grams before they got it, how much did teh po po get? They're knocking themselves down by saying that there should be a different test.