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Do you believe certain races are superior to others in intellect?

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i voted yes.. let me explain why.. and no, im not at all racist

first off ... if you look around the world at the 'great' nations they are all 'white' nations(with maybe the exception of Japan which was pretty much build by the USA after WWII). these nations are the most peaceful(to live in - not military), well structured, productive, moralistic nations in the world. now im not saying that all white nations are 'great' nations.. but there are no 'great' black nations. i believe this to be because the black culture was introduced into a much more evolved social structure too quickly.

in all honesty i believe whites to be somewhat more evolved than blacks based simply on the location of their evolution. blacks evolved in africa. africa has an infinite amount of food and pretty decent weather. all-in-all a pretty easy place to survive in durring an evolutionary process. whites, on the other hand, evolved in a cold, harsh environment and had to use their brains more often in order to survive. now this didnt last long enough to drastically change the dna of the two races ... just minor things like whites are generally stocky as blacks are leaner with different hip placement. black noses are generally bigger to serve as a better cooling device as whites have smaller noses to conserve heat. well you get the point.

somewhere way back when(ice age), whites had to build a more advance social sturcture where people had certain expertises and didnt have to hunt in order to eat... they simply had to offer a service. still today you will find black tribes where the men hunt daily and the women tend the crops. whites were forced to evolve out of such barbaric, neolithic social structures.

roughly 75% of the united states is white and roughly 13% is black. if you look at the prison population .... 20% is white and 60% is black. i believe this is due to them being forced into a 'white' social structure. are blacks capable of being productive members of a white society? yes, without a doubt. are blacks capable of the same intellectual levels as whites? yes, without a doubt. do blacks desire, consciencely and/or subconsciencely, to be productive, intelligent members of a social structure they were only introduced into a few hundred years ago? i'd have to say that on some level they do not want to be those things.

let me say once more that i am NOT racist nor do i believe that whites are superior to any other race. we are all human and are basically made of the same dna. my point is that we are just at the beginning of a world social structure in a world where whites generally have more power and bigger better weapons.

could blacks score as high or higher on an IQ test as whites? yes, but it isnt going to happen until we work out some of the underlying misunderstandings that seperate our cultures. we're expecting a culture that was only allowed to read less than 100 years ago to be as intellectually apt as a culture that invented written text.
 
I believe the non-politically correct: yes. With obvious physical differences, I can see no reason to deny that there could be a difference in the development of the brain. I'd actually find it more difficult to discover that the brains were exactly identical. However, I also believe that nurture plays at least as big a role as genetics. Thus, it is my opinion that while there are genetic differences in potential, it is the the cultural values, effort, and other factors which ultimately determine how intelligent a person becomes. That is, a person with lower potential from a race with lower potential could easily turn out to be more intelligent than someone with higher potential from the "more intelligent" race.
 
Originally posted by: DrPizza
I believe the non-politically correct: yes. With obvious physical differences, I can see no reason to deny that there could be a difference in the development of the brain. I'd actually find it more difficult to discover that the brains were exactly identical. However, I also believe that nurture plays at least as big a role as genetics. Thus, it is my opinion that while there are genetic differences in potential, it is the the cultural values, effort, and other factors which ultimately determine how intelligent a person becomes. That is, a person with lower potential from a race with lower potential could easily turn out to be more intelligent than someone with higher potential from the "more intelligent" race.



I agree. Socioeconomic factors play a role but at what point would a race become a limiting factor from the IQ side of things? Take standardized test for example. As African Americans made social and economic gains from 1970 to 1990 they closed the gap in test scores by almost 40%. However since 1990 the gap has not continued to close. If there is a difference in the capacity to learn have they reached the average capacity? Will we reach a point when those 15 IQ points make a real world difference? Some would say we already have. Is there a point where the races with lower IQs would not be able to keep up with the knowledge needed to rise to higher classes within society?
 
The mind (given normal health) is one of those use it or lose it deals. like muscles. Unused, it atrophies, and you will become a dumbass. if you put it to work, it should develop nicely to outwit the common atoter when you're older.

Of course many other things can affect mental health which is why I put the given normal health disclaimer in there.

Physically, starting out, I don't think the brain is all that different from one race to the next. Cultural activities, environment, choices you make probably affect intelligence more than most other factors, unless there is an impairment.

"its more of a socio-economic issue

No it's not. Don't get me started on all the rich dumbasses we've all seen. I'll run down hollywood's A list until your head spins and that will only be the start.
 
I agree with the statment that "equality means everybody gets the same thing is flawed"

Equality is just a BS concept because so much has to be done in this country (at least the US) so that equality is preserved. Like for say at the airport every 20th (or whatever it is) person is searched for weapons etc. Also when a cop gives you a warning in most cities they still give you a warning citation so that the police department can keep track of all the warnings given out and make sure they are not racially biased. I beleive the whole searching of people at airports based on when they came in is BS it was a while ago when Senator McCain was searched at the airport which made news. I mean seriously if all of the arab people want to kill us then search them 70% of the time. I'm not saying that is fair but life isn't fair sometimes.

I don't think it is right to deny kids testing due to their race. Now if every kid was tested and a large percentage of blacks were to fail then I think it would be acceptable for the school to call in their parents tell them the situation and give the parents the choice to put their kids in special education or not.
 
Originally posted by: bobbybe01
You guys are absolutely ridiculous to believe that one race is not more superior than another. I would hope that the human race is superior.

I always laugh when people try to be haughty and say this.

Learn your damn biology, humans are NOT A RACE.

Humans are a species. Negroid, caucasoid, mongoloid, etc are all examples of different human races.

Nice try though
 
Originally posted by: skullshivers
i voted yes.. let me explain why.. and no, im not at all racist

first off ... if you look around the world at the 'great' nations they are all 'white' nations(with maybe the exception of Japan which was pretty much build by the USA after WWII). these nations are the most peaceful(to live in - not military), well structured, productive, moralistic nations in the world. now im not saying that all white nations are 'great' nations.. but there are no 'great' black nations. i believe this to be because the black culture was introduced into a much more evolved social structure too quickly.

I agree strongly. How many cultures do you see ANYWHERE that are specifically white that are not somewhat advanced?? Meanwhile, there are NUMEROUS cultures in South America, Africa, and India that are strictly black cultures that arent evolved. For god's sake their are cultures in South America that still use stone tools...WTF!

in all honesty i believe whites to be somewhat more evolved than blacks based simply on the location of their evolution. blacks evolved in africa. africa has an infinite amount of food and pretty decent weather. all-in-all a pretty easy place to survive in durring an evolutionary process. whites, on the other hand, evolved in a cold, harsh environment and had to use their brains more often in order to survive. now this didnt last long enough to drastically change the dna of the two races ... just minor things like whites are generally stocky as blacks are leaner with different hip placement. black noses are generally bigger to serve as a better cooling device as whites have smaller noses to conserve heat. well you get the point.

This is also a fantastic point. To add on to what is said, South America and Africa don't have the exact same resources that most of us in North America have. It is impossible to produce something identical if you dont have the same products. Once again, compare in Neolithic times the Neanderthals to something like the Bosei. Neanderthals have heavier fur and their genes adapted to the culture (i forget the anthropology term for this...although i want to say fusion *shrug*)

somewhere way back when(ice age), whites had to build a more advance social sturcture where people had certain expertises and didnt have to hunt in order to eat... they simply had to offer a service. still today you will find black tribes where the men hunt daily and the women tend the crops. whites were forced to evolve out of such barbaric, neolithic social structures.

roughly 75% of the united states is white and roughly 13% is black. if you look at the prison population .... 20% is white and 60% is black. i believe this is due to them being forced into a 'white' social structure. are blacks capable of being productive members of a white society? yes, without a doubt. are blacks capable of the same intellectual levels as whites? yes, without a doubt. do blacks desire, consciencely and/or subconsciencely, to be productive, intelligent members of a social structure they were only introduced into a few hundred years ago? i'd have to say that on some level they do not want to be those things.

i believe this has the largest part of the difference. The numbers prove blacks to be more of a rebel than whites are toward a white social system. You can't deny that...its the facts. Therefore the chance of a black child growing up in the same environment with the same priviledges of a white child is inevidable. There has been psychological studies about these types of things. Making two identical twins live in different places, with opposite families, and they will be COMPLETELY different. Now, you can argue nurture or nature i don't care, but you need both to be intelligent. I agree the blacks can be as smart if not smarter than whites if they attempt, but they live in a white dominated and lawful place. There is no possible chance to get rid of discrimination in North America.

let me say once more that i am NOT racist nor do i believe that whites are superior to any other race. we are all human and are basically made of the same dna. my point is that we are just at the beginning of a world social structure in a world where whites generally have more power and bigger better weapons.

i would also say i am not racist, but many of the people reading this will think we BOTH are...

could blacks score as high or higher on an IQ test as whites? yes, but it isnt going to happen until we work out some of the underlying misunderstandings that seperate our cultures. we're expecting a culture that was only allowed to read less than 100 years ago to be as intellectually apt as a culture that invented written text.

very well put
 
could blacks score as high or higher on an IQ test as whites? yes, but it isnt going to happen until we work out some of the underlying misunderstandings that seperate our cultures. we're expecting a culture that was only allowed to read less than 100 years ago to be as intellectually apt as a culture that invented written text.

This is flawed on many levels. A lot of white people couldn't read a 100 years ago. Actually in 1800 (200 years ago) only 50% of people in the US and Europe could read and write. I didn't seem to have a problem picking it up. Also whites did not invent the written text. Blacks just did not emerge from their "dark ages".
 
Sorry to take the thread a bit off-topic, but someone once said to me that blacks tend to think that it's ok to steal because something in their mind tells them that the white public owes them because they gave them free labor back when their ancestors were enslaved.

Discuss.
 
Originally posted by: Asharus
Sorry to take the thread a bit off-topic, but someone once said to me that blacks tend to think that it's ok to steal because something in their mind tells them that the white public owes them because they gave them free labor back when their ancestors were enslaved.

Discuss.

Why would I want to discuss what 'someone' once told you. It's not like that statement really deserves discussion. 😛
 
Damn... so very many misconceptions and assumptions in here that are just plain wrong. If I didn't have work to do, I'd sit here and debunk each one, piece by piece. But since I don't have the time, as I stated before, this will do:
Read this book
 
africa has an infinite amount of food and pretty decent weather.

What are you talking about? Most of Africa has irregular rainfall and poor topsoil, making it the worst continent outside of Antartica for growing food. Eurasia has far more domesticatable plants and animals than Africa. Worse yet, Africa's tropical climate causes serious diseases like malaria, schistosomiasis, and trypanosomiasis (sleeping sickness) to be endemic.

Eurasia's the easy place for people to live, not Africa.
 
Originally posted by: cquark
africa has an infinite amount of food and pretty decent weather.

What are you talking about? Most of Africa has irregular rainfall and poor topsoil, making it the worst continent outside of Antartica for growing food. Eurasia has far more domesticatable plants and animals than Africa. Worse yet, Africa's tropical climate causes serious diseases like malaria, schistosomiasis, and trypanosomiasis (sleeping sickness) to be endemic.

Eurasia's the easy place for people to live, not Africa.

Bah! You think people in ATOT want to be bothered with facts!?? 😛
 
Well, I decided to post without reading the entire thread, because I couldn't read 6 pages of this, but here is my post incase someone makes it this far.

I believe there most likely is an intellectual difference just like there are physical differences, like others have stated. The question is whether anyone has even come close to reaching these limits and thereby making them even apparent. Perhaps the intellectual differences pose a difference in learning methods (yea I know there is a lot of information out there about this already). Most likely the differences are not exclusive to one race or another, but perhaps they are PREDOMINANT in one race or another.

Now, if the limits have not been reached then the 'intellectual superiority' is not an issue. But what is an issue is society, as others have stated. Whether the parents, the kids, or the culture take learning seriously. Whether those people are given a truely fair chance. Whether these people (by these people I mean anyone) even WANT to be as intelligent as others (at an early age).

Then, above all, we have to question how we measure intellect (as others mentioned) and whether it is fair and all-encompasing.

I didn't pose any answers I guess, but I do see 2 sides to the argument and reasons for them existing.
 
Originally posted by: cquark
africa has an infinite amount of food and pretty decent weather.

What are you talking about? Most of Africa has irregular rainfall and poor topsoil, making it the worst continent outside of Antartica for growing food. Eurasia has far more domesticatable plants and animals than Africa. Worse yet, Africa's tropical climate causes serious diseases like malaria, schistosomiasis, and trypanosomiasis (sleeping sickness) to be endemic.

Eurasia's the easy place for people to live, not Africa.
I was just gonna point that out....

Appearances can be deceiving. Africa looks like it has water because of all the grasses which grow over much of it. In reality the grasses themselves drain what little water is there. In fact that's why nothing bigger than grass grows, except for certain areas.

The Amazon Rainforest is very similar. Sure, there's trees everywhere, but the soil has almost no nutrients in it because the trees have extracted nearly all of them. That's why growing things in the Amazon involves first burning a bunch of trees and mixing the ashes into the soil.
 
Well, as far as I see it, there is only one race, the human race. There are different cultures, and ethnicities, but intelligence comes from the knowledge and experiences you have, what you do with it, and how you use it to your advantage.

my $0.02 😀
 
africa has an infinite amount of food and pretty decent weather.



What are you talking about? Most of Africa has irregular rainfall and poor topsoil, making it the worst continent outside of Antartica for growing food. Eurasia has far more domesticatable plants and animals than Africa. Worse yet, Africa's tropical climate causes serious diseases like malaria, schistosomiasis, and trypanosomiasis (sleeping sickness) to be endemic.

Eurasia's the easy place for people to live, not Africa.

ok maybe i didnt elaborate my point correctly... you basically stated my point without meaning too

blacks werent forced to farm, domesticate plants and animals, etc etc ... these things may seem simple and 'easy' to you and me but the invent of farming (neolithic revolution) was the most important technical change that has ever happened to our species. now my point was that blacks, did not have to change from the 'hunter gatherer' stage to survive. whites did. im not saying that blacks did not know how to farm. im simply saying that it was not the most efficient survival technique.

yes africa has a pretty crappy climate... all the more reason to stick to the survival techniques you have been doing for generations... change would mean death (probably due to starvation).

as far as those diseases are concerned... i doubt that evolving humans were plagued with those and henceforth it is irrelevant to this point.

could blacks score as high or higher on an IQ test as whites? yes, but it isnt going to happen until we work out some of the underlying misunderstandings that seperate our cultures. we're expecting a culture that was only allowed to read less than 100 years ago to be as intellectually apt as a culture that invented written text.

This is flawed on many levels. A lot of white people couldn't read a 100 years ago. Actually in 1800 (200 years ago) only 50% of people in the US and Europe could read and write. I didn't seem to have a problem picking it up. Also whites did not invent the written text. Blacks just did not emerge from their "dark ages".

yes you are correct... whites did not invent written text. i appologize for miswording what i meant.

i meant that as a metaphor. whites invented English along with the 'white' culture. this is what we expect other races to embrace. we expect this because we have been taught that our culture, altho not perfect, is the best one out there to choose from. whether our culture is actually the 'best' is a topic for another discussion. but the fact is, whites are seldom familiar with the good from other cultures and tend to dismiss the very possibility. in effect we force our values and beliefs on the world. when we test a person's intelligence, the test is derrived from this mindset and is definitely biased in that respect. and i have the utmost respect for any person that could overcome these obstacles to adapt to these prerequisites. but i would never expect the average person to be able to do that.
 
Originally posted by: ArchStudent
Well, as far as I see it, there is only one race, the human race. There are different cultures, and ethnicities, but intelligence comes from the knowledge and experiences you have, what you do with it, and how you use it to your advantage.

my $0.02 😀

this is a very closed-minded concept.. allow me to elaborate

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5067906/

Genetically, chimpanzees are 98.5 percent identical to humans. But the differences between the species are clearly profound, and geneticists have been laboring to find out how such subtle variations in DNA can be so important.

with less than 1.5% genetic difference from a chimpanzee is it so hard to believe that races are different on a genetic level? our bone structure, facial proportions, voices, hair, skin color, disease susceptibility, genital size (LOL), etc etc is all different. and these differences reside within this 1.5%. with our limited understanding of the brain do you completely dismiss the possibility of genetic difference within that organ?
 
Many people have stated that Asian are on average higher IQ and smaller stature. I have notice that there is a change. The newer generations are getting over 6' on a more common basis. It use to be few and far between, but the children born after the 1990's are super sizing along with their whoopers. Diet?
 
Originally posted by: NickelTitanium
Many people have stated that Asian are on average higher IQ and smaller stature. I have notice that there is a change. The newer generations are getting over 6' on a more common basis. It use to be few and far between, but the children born after the 1990's are super sizing along with their whoopers. Diet?

The brain is one of the few parts of the body that benefits from a "junk-food" diet.... Other parts of american culture aren't so good for the brain though.
 
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I'm not an anthropoligist, an evolutionary scientist, a psychologist, or a social scientist.

Therefore I have no idea. I'm going to play devil's advocate and say that there are lots of physical differences, is it that crazy to think there may be mental differences?

the physical difference is like .00000000009% compare to how we are similar....
 
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