Do you ask people how much they make?

[Ns1]

You can make assumptions on expenses quite easily if you know anything about the person. You can also make assumptions that if the person has expenses that are too large to afford X item with Y revenue then they are probably bad with finances to begin with. If they have any brains they won't spend everything they have every month IF they have sufficient income. (For instance, I have to spend all I have pretty much every month because I don't have enough income to save)

Which is why this post doesn't work:

The bolded is usually something I don't think of. Knowing what someone makes allows you to say, "No, you can easily afford that. You just don't want it. Stop lyin', asshole."

No, I actually can't afford it, asshole, because I have shit like student loans and rent to pay.

 

[TridenT]

Which is why this post doesn't work:



No, I actually can't afford it, asshole.

Again, you should already have an idea of their expenditures if you're asking their income. There are general rules about how much people spend on things like food, rent, car, et cetera. If they happen to be an outlier (in a bad way) then you can get a better perception of how that attributes to their personality. (i.e. a overly lavish car for someone who can barely afford it. (Read: fiscally irresponsible(Possibly irresponsible and makes rash decisions)))

 

[RichUK]

I talk about it with some friends (friends in the same field of work as me), but otherwise I keep it to myself.

 

[Ns1]

Again, you should already have an idea of their expenditures if you're asking their income. There are general rules about how much people spend on things like food, rent, car, et cetera.

you sure love making a lot of ASSumptions.

 

[kt]

Interesting. I am under the impression people here in ATOT just volunteer their salary information without being asked? Everyone in here makes over six figures right?

 

[Cookie]

I've known what my parents made since I was a kid. How you managed to be so ignorant up to 16 is astonishing.

I don't think it's rude. I think it's just worth knowing. Gives more perspective on how to view the person.

It's rude BECAUSE you use that information to judge people.

 

[sactoking]

Asking how much money someone makes is only rude if that person is shallow enough to define their personal worth by their paystub.

In fact, within a company all salary information should be public to all employees. There's not a legitimate reason why salary information is "personal" or "confidential" and plenty of legitimate reasons why having it be such is detrimental to morale, productivity, and stability.

 

[Ns1]

There's not a legitimate reason why salary information is "personal" or "confidential" and plenty of legitimate reasons why having it be such is detrimental to morale, productivity, and stability.

because it's NOYFB?

 

[Jaepheth]

It's an impolite question.

One way to sort of get around it is to ask what range the position pays so that you're not asking them what they make personally.

The best way is to just ask what they do and then plug the job title into glassdoor.com or google the position for salary range.

 

[gorcorps]

Asking how much money someone makes is only rude if that person is shallow enough to define their personal worth by their paystub.

In fact, within a company all salary information should be public to all employees. There's not a legitimate reason why salary information is "personal" or "confidential" and plenty of legitimate reasons why having it be such is detrimental to morale, productivity, and stability.

Oh yes there is. People would be up in arms if they knew how much the new folks are starting at. Somebody I knew at work who's been there several years said, "I'd be fucking pissed if these new kids are starting at X dollars". I didn't say anything but I AM a new kid that DID start at X dollars. I had a small boost with a masters degree but he'd still be pissed if he knew the truth.

People are obsessed with money. Shit would hit the fucking fan and morale would crumble if all pay info was public.

 

[TridenT]

It's rude BECAUSE you use that information to judge people.

Judging people is not morally wrong. So, you can fuck off.

Don't judge child rapists. Don't judge serial killers. Don't judge emo kids. Don't judge morons doing stupid shit in videos. Don't judge Judge. Don't judge stupid forum posters named Cookie in tech forums. DON'T JUDGE ME, BRO.

Most of all, don't judge a country's foreign policies when they are trying to attain nukes (Read: North Korea). They're really just good people... It doesn't say anything about them at all.

 

[Cookie]

Judging people is not morally wrong. So, you can fuck off.

Don't judge child rapists. Don't judge serial killers. Don't judge emo kids. Don't judge morons doing stupid shit in videos. Don't judge Judge. Don't judge stupid forum posters named Cookie in tech forums. DON'T JUDGE ME, BRO.

Most of all, don't judge a country's foreign policies when they are trying to attain nukes (Read: North Korea). They're really just good people... It doesn't say anything about them at all.

Wow. U mad?

I judge people based on their actions and behaviors... not their income.

It is rude, and short-sighted, to judge people based on their income

 

[TridenT]

Wow. U mad?

I judge people based on their actions and behaviors... not their income.

It is rude, and short-sighted, to judge people based on their income

IT IS AN ACTION/BEHAVIOR. Choosing a job with that income IS A CHOICE. You ACT to get that job. It is not INACTION that allows you to receive that job.

You are leotarded.

 

[Ns1]

IT IS AN ACTION/BEHAVIOR. Choosing a job with that income IS A CHOICE. You ACT to get that job. It is not INACTION that allows you to receive that job.

You are leotarded.

congrats you just pulled off a hat trick!

you're an ass for asking, you're an ass for judging, and you're as ass for assuming.

 

[Cookie]

IT IS AN ACTION/BEHAVIOR. Choosing a job with that income IS A CHOICE. You ACT to get that job. It is not INACTION that allows you to receive that job.

You are leotarded.

Not everyone can have the highest paying jobs. Hard working people with low paying jobs are often still good people.

There's no point having this conversation, you are clearly more interested in insulting me because I disagree with you.

 

[TridenT]

congrats you just pulled off a hat trick!

you're an ass for asking, you're an ass for judging, and you're as ass for assuming.

Sounds like I've got an amazing ass.

Not everyone can have the highest paying jobs. Hard working people with low paying jobs are often still good people.

There's no point having this conversation, you are clearly more interested in insulting me because I disagree with you.

I'm aware of that. Most people can at least try though. The fact they don't try says they probably don't have that high of goals OR if they do have really high goals then they're too high and unattainable for that person. (These are very unlikely)

I'm insulting you because you've made logical errors and that reflects upon who you are. I ridicule you so that you realize it.

 

[darkxshade]

I make 7 million a year and have no problems saying it when asked... only the poor think it's rude.

 

[sactoking]

Oh yes there is. People would be up in arms if they knew how much the new folks are starting at. Somebody I knew at work who's been there several years said, "I'd be fucking pissed if these new kids are starting at X dollars". I didn't say anything but I AM a new kid that DID start at X dollars. I had a small boost with a masters degree but he'd still be pissed if he knew the truth.

People are obsessed with money. Shit would hit the fucking fan and morale would crumble if all pay info was public.

What you've just said is not a legitimate reason to make salary info confidential, it's a legitimate reason to make it public.

Think of all the company's with a taboo culture. They all have very disparate amounts that they pay employees, and it's often not based on qualifications or productivity. They all also have subcultures of gossip, rumormongering, and festering jealousy. That hurts morale and results. I bet most or all of them also have cultures of cronyism and/or nepotism. All of that is fostered by making people's earnings taboo.

If you make salaries public it's an automatic check-and-balance. Does the new kid with no experience and poor results make more than everyone else? Well, the employees are going to know that and either pay will have to reflect reality or the company will lose it's best people. You think you're worth more than the person making more than you? Well, you can ask for more or try to find it on the open market without fumbling in the dark. You want to make as much as the 20-year veteran with the PhD? Maybe you should get some more eduction, training, or have better results.

Employees should be wanting this, but everyone's too scared that they're the one getting shafted.

 

[sjwaste]

It's a rude question. The only people that know what I make are my wife and my parents. I'd guess my inlaws probably know too, but that's where it ends. I'm closer to 30 now, but in my early 20's and just out of college, my friends and I were all pretty open about what we made. Nobody minded then because it was more helpful than not, but once we all moved on to either a 2nd job or a promotion, we just stopped talking about it. It never came up or anything, it's just a social rule that most people get, I guess.

 

[JulesMaximus]

I would never ask someone that. If they want to volunteer that information, fine. But I won't ask that nor will I discuss my salary with anyone else. Nor will I discuss someone else's salary with a third party if I know it.

 

[Born2bwire]

I don't think so. It's pretty rude. Although right now I don't think I would mind the question as much because in the past few years a lot of my friends graduated and so we were all anxious to have an idea of the job market and salaries for our own negotiations. But beyond that I wouldn't consider it a polite question to ask.

 

[Bignate603]

I don't think it's rude. I think it's just worth knowing. Gives more perspective on how to view the person.

If you had any idea how to get along with people you'd realize that this is horrendously rude.

The only time I've asked anyone else their income or told someone my income it was a serious discussion about making a career decision. For instance, my sister was considering majoring in the same thing that I did and wanted to know more about it. My salary, both starting and where I am now, was part of the discussion.

 

[darkxshade]

Side question... is it rude to ask people what they made in a previous job?

 

[Bignate603]

IT IS AN ACTION/BEHAVIOR. Choosing a job with that income IS A CHOICE. You ACT to get that job. It is not INACTION that allows you to receive that job.

You are leotarded.

And there's more to a person than doing everything they can to make more money. In fact, I'd rather spend my time with people that think other things are more important than their income. I've had a great time with people that were pretty poor and a lousy time with people that were filthy rich. Their income has no bearing on how much I enjoy their company.

 

[Doppel]

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