Do you as a beta male care about FGM?

[HamburgerBoy]

Oh man... this thread...

Give ATOT the red pill, doc. :wub:

 

[IronWing]

This world desperately needs an Isle of Men where men who don't like or respect women can go live happy manly lives. It would work better for everybody.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

This world desperately needs an Isle of Men where men who don't like or respect women can go live happy manly lives. It would work better for everybody.

But then what happens when out of all men, only a small fraction find other men attractive and the remainder of men only have sex with other men to be provided for? Then the men that have sex with other men will have to leave and head to another island, and if women that find men unattractive couldn't hold down the fort in Lesbos, in spite of being the top of the sexual power hierarchy per the op, who can?

 

[zerocool84]

This world desperately needs an Isle of Men where men who don't like or respect women can go live happy manly lives. It would work better for everybody.

Isn't that Anandtech?

 

[Nebor]

Give ATOT the red pill, doc. :wub:

The red pill isn't about hating women. It's about accepting the fact that women are women, and not the same as men. What's going on in this thread just seems to be hating women.

 

[MongGrel]

This is mostly true. It really is.

I see it all the time with women. They go bang the "bad boys" all the time. Get used up or pregnant then go get someone to take care of them and their kids. Also women rarely marry anyone who they don't benefit from. They always receive way more than they have to give. Very rare when it's the other way around.

You can look at statistics too from dating sites. OKcupid releases them all the time. The statistics will piss you off with the women. I read something like 90% or the women only vote and like about 10% of the guys as attractive and interested in them. 90% of the guys they vote a 0. They may be a 7 or 8 but as far as the women are concerned if they aren't a 10 to them then they are worthless. If you keep reading the statistics you'll just get angry at how horrible women are.

They do settle and all they want to do is take take take after that. See how long a marriage lasts if you lose your job. A guy will stick by a wife and let her go ages with no job but a wife won't share anything she has for long at all. If you aren't providing and giving her something she'll be off to screw that alpha or find another beta who provides more.

Look at how much of her respect for you revolves around your position or income or what you have. Take it away and you'll see how little respect she has. That's why they hate it when you do things you enjoy like play video games. You aren't "hunting" and bringing them things back. And they hate that.

Ever have a girlfriend and everything is fine, but then her friends don't like you? Yup it's over fast. She can't stand you now. You aren't the great prize she thought. Even though before that she was totally happy with you.

Ever see a girl get those starry eyes when you are up there as the attention of the world and everyone is watching? Like you play an instrument and sing a song and she gets all wet because everyone else is impressed. Didn't matter that you are the same person 5 minutes before. Now that you are up on the stage she's all hot for you.

I've been in all of the situations you mentioned, was even out of work for a year and a half at one point and have been married 21 years now.

Sorry something didn't seem to work out, you're wrong on several of them just generalizing.

Even the playing with bands on a stage thing, but was a drummer, I mostly had a blast when you could go off solo for a bit and get an adrenaline rush just from large crowd feedback after a solo.

I guess we aren't the guys up front trying to make eye contact with a woman, but most the time if it's a large crowd they front men aren't really either.

 

[Muse]

Long post ahead:

Before you blow a gasket just read.
-snip-

So now you've heard it all. If you're an Alpha male then FGM would naturally horrify you since female sexual desire is the center of your world.
But if you're a beta male do you really care about FGM?

Dude I read your spiel until I couldn't stand it anymore. You're whack.

I've had plenty of great sex with women who obviously wanted and enjoyed it with me. They didn't do it because they thought I was going to provide for them. I don't consider myself an alpha or a beta male or a representative of any other category of man. Your ideas about what women want and feel are twisted and strange. I don't know what you need, but get it.

 

[T9D]

https://chaturbate.com/female-cams/

 

[IronWing]

Then again...

Instead he let his green eyes flick very casually over her from head to toe, not long enough to be offensive but just long enough to make her hormones heatedly shriek their recognition of this powerful, potent male.

- Taking Risks, Sharon Kendrick

 

[RandomWords]

Does't mean they wouldn't if that hot sexy actor wanted to jump them behind the bushes before you come pick them up, or run off with them if given the actual possibility. Again not all, but far to many to be comfortable with.

but this is no different than men. Though not all men; a lot of men would do the same thing if the roles were reversed in your scenario - "again not all, but far too many to be comfortable with"
(there are usually theoretically, alphas and betas among the female group among some animal groups as well; which this guy overlooks completely - in other words I'm saying this guy doesn't know much on the subject and is oversimplifying the mating process between humans)

 

[IEC]

3 out of 3 women I consulted said OP is retarded.

 

[RandomWords]

3 out of 3 women I consulted said OP is retarded.

+1
make it 4/4

No good can come from trying to make it so women don't produce offspring that will come out healthy and strong by trying to change who they choose as mates.

EDIT:
The results only being, what I consider a very likely future outcome, that of Idiocracy.

 

[SlitheryDee]

but this is no different than men. Though not all men; a majority of men would do the same thing if the roles were reversed in your scenario - "again not all, but far too many to be comfortable with"
(there are usually theoretically, alphas and betas among the female group as well among some animal groups; which this guy overlooks completely - in other words I'm saying this guy doesn't know much on the subject and is oversimplifying the mating process between humans)

Honestly I think women are better overall on that front than men. It's the men who have the more tenuous control over their sexual desires after all. It takes a lot more for a woman to cheat on a partner than it does a man. When a man cheats it might mean nothing more than his self-control slipped, and not have that much bearing on the state of the relationship. When a woman cheats its because the relationship is in serious trouble beforehand, and she's basically fallen out of love with her partner. Women cheat for emotional reasons while men cheat for physical reasons.

It doesn't change the fact that women are indeed more attracted to whoever they perceive to be "alpha" males. They can't help it any more than a man can help being attracted to every woman he sees with a shapely body. The solid, dependable, but boring beta guy rarely wins out over the forceful, powerful, testosterone ridden alpha, even though it could be easily argued that the traits commonly associated with "alpha males" are pretty counter productive in the current state of human evolution. It feels like a behavior that is an evolutionary remnant of times where alpha traits were preferable. Rationalizing it this way doesn't alleviate the sting of seeing all the hot girls you lusted after in highschool go through droves of asshole alpha male boyfriends/husbands who cheat on them, treat them poorly, drink or gamble away all their money and/or knock them up and leave them. All the while you, the guy who goes to work every day, saves your money, builds a credit score and a comfortable life, and generally makes good for yourself, get nothing but contempt and haughty scorn from the opposite sex for your trouble.

Am I projecting here? I might be a bit bitter about a few things...

 

[disappoint]

Am I projecting here? I might be a bit bitter about a few things...

Let it go.

 

[norseamd]

but this is no different than men. Though not all men; a lot of men would do the same thing if the roles were reversed in your scenario - "again not all, but far too many to be comfortable with"
(there are usually theoretically, alphas and betas among the female group among some animal groups as well; which this guy overlooks completely - in other words I'm saying this guy doesn't know much on the subject and is oversimplifying the mating process between humans)

This.

 

[norseamd]

Am I projecting here? I might be a bit bitter about a few things...

You are confusing men with some rank in American society as necessarily being alpha when they are probably beta.

 

[MongGrel]

Honestly I think women are better overall on that front than men. It's the men who have the more tenuous control over their sexual desires after all. It takes a lot more for a woman to cheat on a partner than it does a man. When a man cheats it might mean nothing more than his self-control slipped, and not have that much bearing on the state of the relationship. When a woman cheats its because the relationship is in serious trouble beforehand, and she's basically fallen out of love with her partner. Women cheat for emotional reasons while men cheat for physical reasons.

It doesn't change the fact that women are indeed more attracted to whoever they perceive to be "alpha" males. They can't help it any more than a man can help being attracted to every woman he sees with a shapely body. The solid, dependable, but boring beta guy rarely wins out over the forceful, powerful, testosterone ridden alpha, even though it could be easily argued that the traits commonly associated with "alpha males" are pretty counter productive in the current state of human evolution. It feels like a behavior that is an evolutionary remnant of times where alpha traits were preferable. Rationalizing it this way doesn't alleviate the sting of seeing all the hot girls you lusted after in highschool go through droves of asshole alpha male boyfriends/husbands who cheat on them, treat them poorly, drink or gamble away all their money and/or knock them up and leave them. All the while you, the guy who goes to work every day, saves your money, builds a credit score and a comfortable life, and generally makes good for yourself, get nothing but contempt and haughty scorn from the opposite sex for your trouble.

Am I projecting here? I might be a bit bitter about a few things...

I'd have to say so.

Not going to even go into a long spiel.

 

[norseamd]

The solid, dependable, but boring beta guy

This is not beta. Betas are males who conspire together to gain power because they are not as powerful individually as alpha males and thus not only do betas use their cooperation to protect themselves and project power but they also try to take out any alpha males and gain dominance over the power in society.

 

[SolMiester]

A beta male with money doesn't become an Alpha male. It just makes him a beta male with money.
You're either born an Alpha male or you're not.

LOL, you honestly believe all woman married to beta males go out and have affairs in order to have alpha children?..PMSL!
You just sound like a loser!

 

[SolMiester]

Honestly I think women are better overall on that front than men. It's the men who have the more tenuous control over their sexual desires after all. It takes a lot more for a woman to cheat on a partner than it does a man. When a man cheats it might mean nothing more than his self-control slipped, and not have that much bearing on the state of the relationship. When a woman cheats its because the relationship is in serious trouble beforehand, and she's basically fallen out of love with her partner. Women cheat for emotional reasons while men cheat for physical reasons.

this!

 

[Belegost]

OP needs to have his foreskin whacked off with a machete and held together with a split twig.

 

[DrDoug]

Translating the intro statement of the OP:

The main response to this question is that it's appalling to prevent women from having sexual pleasure, but the thing is, you as a beta male don't realize your place in the world. If you did, well, you might have a different view.

"Beta males like myself can't get laid so if women are having their genitals mutilated to remove pleasure from sex for them then who am I to care? After all, I'm not having any fun either."

Seriously, if you think FGM isn't seriously fucked up then you are seriously fucked up. There are some pretty disturbed guys out there with some pretty disturbing ideas about women, most of them horribly formed from the lack of contact with said women. You are one of those guys. With attitudes like yours it's going to be a miracle if you ever get laid. Is a lady going to want to be around someone with thoughts like these? Fuck no. Talk about fucking mental. It's almost like you guys think women are punishing you by not falling all over you like they do those "alpha males" (aka: "bad boys").

Your problem is that you have some attribute(s) that keep you from meeting your dream girl. I had a high school friend who had a problem with reaching above his own looks in pursuing the ladies. Bob was overweight and not very good looking but a great friend, or so I thought. There were ladies who were interested in him but he found them unattractive. So all he kept doing was reaching for the stars and falling on his face while ignoring what was right in front of him. This went on for years and years, all the while I was dating my ass off and as I later found out, it irritated him to no end.

While at his house one day some friends of ours stopped by and there were a couple of new ladies with them that were friends of theirs, one of them a knockout brunette. There were introductions and I soon left. Thereafter I kept running into the brunette and it was clear that she was interested in me. We hit it off and when Bob found out he blew a gasket, claiming that I stole her from him. I talked to her about it and she said there was nothing between them, they never dated nor did she know that he was even interested in her. Our friends confirmed this and I confronted Bob about it. He went off on how he was just 'putting the moves' on her and I had cut in on him. So there ended a ten year friendship.

The reason I am telling this is because I may have lost a friend but I gained a best friend that I have had for thirty years next month because I ended up marrying that brunette. Tonight I was talking to her about this thread and I asked her "Do you know who the OP makes me think of?" to which we both said "Bob". Bob did later marry a woman though he did have to settle for much less than a model. Good for him, especially if they are happy. Let's hope you pull your head out of your ass some day and do likewise.

Oh, and just fyi, I was a bad boy. A really bad boy. But my wife tamed me (somewhat). A good woman will do that. I hope you find that out one day.

 

[norseamd]

Now you are being libelous, dishonest, and unhonorable. You know that is not what the OP was actually thinking. You yourself are twisting his words towards your own psychological and sociological benefit. You even make references to your own lack of character and the fact that like many evil shitholes you live in society just to put him down and improve your ego.

 

[DrDoug]

Now you are being libelous, dishonest, and unhonorable. You know that is not what the OP was actually thinking. You yourself are twisting his words towards your own psychological and sociological benefit. You even make references to your own lack of character and the fact that like many evil shitholes you live in society just to put him down and improve your ego.

Now that's funny!

 

[RandomWords]

If you take this statement:

"Beta males like myself can't get laid so if women are having their genitals mutilated to remove pleasure from sex for them then who am I to care? After all, I'm not having any fun either."

You can see how misplaced his thoughts are - first he assumes just because they have a spot that gives them pleasure during sex - that they get pleasure during sex. This is not the case for a majority of women which is why many find it difficult to orgasm. It shows his lack of knowledge on the female body.

Second, he makes the statement "After all, I'm not having any fun either"... well, that is only while he is not having sex... acting as if all these women are getting so much more sex than he ever gets and enjoying it so much more (which also, isn't true) - and they deserve to pay for that. If he wants to compare them as SIMILAR - than he would need to remove any sensitive area that causes him any enjoyment in intercourse on the brief occasions he has had intercourse. Instead he would rather make sure they have PAINFUL intercourse... so even if they don't particularly care for intercourse - that's not good enough - they must be in pain.

Which to me - just says rapes are highly likely to increase in such a society.