Do you agree with israel's use of cluster bomb's

[mordantmonkey]

just wonder if anyone actually agrees with this.

 

[Doboji]

this is a stupid question

 

[mordantmonkey]

it's a stupid action

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
it's a stupid action

do you agree with Hezbollah launching rockets from urban areas into urban areas?

 

[Harvey]

Do you have any evidence Israel has used cluster bombs in urban areas? If not, your post a cluster troll.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
it's a stupid action

do you agree with Hezbollah launching rockets from urban areas into urban areas?

How is that relevant? Do you always have to sink to the level of your enemies?

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: Harvey
Do you have any evidence Israel has used cluster bombs in urban areas? If not, your post a cluster troll.

I agree with this. How do you know they are using them?

 

[RichardE]

I agree with it.

 

[Lizardman]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey
it's a stupid action

do you agree with Hezbollah launching rockets from urban areas into urban areas?

How is that relevant? Do you always have to sink to the level of your enemies?

It is very different, Hezbollah is using the same tactics that the Germans used in WWII with their V2 rockets. Mainly to terrorize the country and cause panic. The only response Hezbollah is getting is due to their actions.

 

[KK]

Have you hugged a terrorist today?

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Lizardman


It is very different, Hezbollah is using the same tactics that the Germans used in WWII with their V2 rockets. Mainly to terrorize the country and cause panic. The only response Hezbollah is getting is due to their actions.

I agree, but most of the response is killing Lebanese civilians, how is that morally different than the Germans or Hezbollah's actions?

On TV they showed a seven story apartment that was leveled. They said Israel had intel that one Hezbollah leader lived there, he was not home at the time. Was that justified? Israel has all justification to destroy Hezbollah, but at what means? Can they just nuke Lebanon?

 

[mordantmonkey]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Harvey
Do you have any evidence Israel has used cluster bombs in urban areas? If not, your post a cluster troll.

I agree with this. How do you know they are using them?

i'm sure someone will complain about the bias of Human Rights Watch.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Harvey
Do you have any evidence Israel has used cluster bombs in urban areas? If not, your post a cluster troll.

I agree with this. How do you know they are using them?

i'm sure someone will complain about the bias of Human Rights Watch.

Hey look I answered the question... if Israel is using Cluster Bombs, then yes I agree with it...

Now what about my question... Do you support Hezbollah's launching of rockets from urban areas into urban areas?

 

[mordantmonkey]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Harvey
Do you have any evidence Israel has used cluster bombs in urban areas? If not, your post a cluster troll.

I agree with this. How do you know they are using them?

i'm sure someone will complain about the bias of Human Rights Watch.

Hey look I answered the question... if Israel is using Cluster Bombs, then yes I agree with it...

Now what about my question... Do you support Hezbollah's launching of rockets from urban areas into urban areas?

no, on both counts. but then i suppose if i supported israel's use of cluster bombs, then i i'd support hezbollah's indiscriminate rocket attacks as well.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: Harvey
Do you have any evidence Israel has used cluster bombs in urban areas? If not, your post a cluster troll.

I agree with this. How do you know they are using them?

i'm sure someone will complain about the bias of Human Rights Watch.

According to the HRW they are being used. I am not yet convinced that they are being used to shell urban areas. And yes, they have been accused of being biased numerous times. Scroll down to the areas titled "criticism".

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Lizardman


It is very different, Hezbollah is using the same tactics that the Germans used in WWII with their V2 rockets. Mainly to terrorize the country and cause panic. The only response Hezbollah is getting is due to their actions.

I agree, but most of the response is killing Lebanese civilians, how is that morally different than the Germans or Hezbollah's actions?

On TV they showed a seven story apartment that was leveled. They said Israel had intel that one Hezbollah leader lived there, he was not home at the time. Was that justified? Israel has all justification to destroy Hezbollah, but at what means? Can they just nuke Lebanon?

They might as well, you?re acting as if they had.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

They might as well, you?re acting as if they had.

= "I'm taking my ball and going home"?

I'm not acting like anything, I presented some logical questions to a complex subject. If you have nothing to add with substance than don't hit reply. Let the adults continue on with the discussion.

 

[Gamer X]

Though the Israelis killed hundreds of women and children in the last escalations it was all unintentional. The Israelis are angels.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Lizardman


It is very different, Hezbollah is using the same tactics that the Germans used in WWII with their V2 rockets. Mainly to terrorize the country and cause panic. The only response Hezbollah is getting is due to their actions.

I agree, but most of the response is killing Lebanese civilians, how is that morally different than the Germans or Hezbollah's actions?

On TV they showed a seven story apartment that was leveled. They said Israel had intel that one Hezbollah leader lived there, he was not home at the time. Was that justified? Israel has all justification to destroy Hezbollah, but at what means? Can they just nuke Lebanon?

Well this really is a good question... to what extent is Israel justified in protecting it's citizens. If Hizbollah insists in hiding amongst the civillian population, then I believe Israel is justified in killing civillians in the efforts to kill Hizbollah...

It is morally different than the Germans or Hizbollah in that Israel is not the aggressor here... if Hezbollah wasn't launching rockets, and kidnapping soldiers there would be no conflict...

The reverse is not true... if Israel wasn't launching air strikes, and ground incursions... Hezbollah would still be launching rockets and kidnapping soldiers.

This is the key difference... Israel has no desire to kill Lebanese... but it has to place it's own civillians at a higher priority than the lebanese civillians, it's that simple. This is the reason why Israel has a lower civillian casualty rate than lebanon... the Israeli government is truly doing all in it's power to prevent it's civillians from being hurt or killed. Hezbollah is not.

-Max

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Gamer X
Though the Israelis killed hundreds of women and children in the last escalations it was all unintentional. The Israelis are angels.

Yeah you really believe Israel's army is hanging out on the border hoping that Hezbollah will kidnap some soldiers? And then it happens and the whole country is like YAAAAAAAHOOOOO It's a-rab killling time!!!! C'mmon man get real... if you actually spent some time in Israel you would understand how far from the truth that really is.

 

[mordantmonkey]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Lizardman


It is very different, Hezbollah is using the same tactics that the Germans used in WWII with their V2 rockets. Mainly to terrorize the country and cause panic. The only response Hezbollah is getting is due to their actions.

I agree, but most of the response is killing Lebanese civilians, how is that morally different than the Germans or Hezbollah's actions?

On TV they showed a seven story apartment that was leveled. They said Israel had intel that one Hezbollah leader lived there, he was not home at the time. Was that justified? Israel has all justification to destroy Hezbollah, but at what means? Can they just nuke Lebanon?

Well this really is a good question... to what extent is Israel justified in protecting it's citizens. If Hizbollah insists in hiding amongst the civillian population, then I believe Israel is justified in killing civillians in the efforts to kill Hizbollah...

It is morally different than the Germans or Hizbollah in that Israel is not the aggressor here... if Hezbollah wasn't launching rockets, and kidnapping soldiers there would be no conflict...

The reverse is not true... if Israel wasn't launching air strikes, and ground incursions... Hezbollah would still be launching rockets and kidnapping soldiers.

This is the key difference... Israel has no desire to kill Lebanese... but it has to place it's own civillians at a higher priority than the lebanese civillians, it's that simple. This is the reason why Israel has a lower civillian casualty rate than lebanon... the Israeli government is truly doing all in it's power to prevent it's civillians from being hurt or killed. Hezbollah is not.

-Max

So england would have been justified in bombing Irish apartment buildings because a member of the IRA lived there?

also, if hezbollah had access to US artillery (thankfully they don't) i'm sure israel would have just as many, if not more civilian casualties. do you really think this action is doing anything to really reduce rocket attacks and suicide bombings? especially future ones?

 

[CaptnKirk]

Only as a method of forced, retroactive, birth control.

 

[Gamer X]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Gamer X
Though the Israelis killed hundreds of women and children in the last escalations it was all unintentional. The Israelis are angels.

Yeah you really believe Israel's army is hanging out on the border hoping that Hezbollah will kidnap some soldiers? And then it happens and the whole country is like YAAAAAAAHOOOOO It's a-rab killling time!!!! C'mmon man get real... if you actually spent some time in Israel you would understand how far from the truth that really is.

What about Palestinian civilians who are killed everyday ? Oh wait they are terrorists.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: mordantmonkey

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Todd33

Originally posted by: Lizardman


It is very different, Hezbollah is using the same tactics that the Germans used in WWII with their V2 rockets. Mainly to terrorize the country and cause panic. The only response Hezbollah is getting is due to their actions.

I agree, but most of the response is killing Lebanese civilians, how is that morally different than the Germans or Hezbollah's actions?

On TV they showed a seven story apartment that was leveled. They said Israel had intel that one Hezbollah leader lived there, he was not home at the time. Was that justified? Israel has all justification to destroy Hezbollah, but at what means? Can they just nuke Lebanon?

Well this really is a good question... to what extent is Israel justified in protecting it's citizens. If Hizbollah insists in hiding amongst the civillian population, then I believe Israel is justified in killing civillians in the efforts to kill Hizbollah...

It is morally different than the Germans or Hizbollah in that Israel is not the aggressor here... if Hezbollah wasn't launching rockets, and kidnapping soldiers there would be no conflict...

The reverse is not true... if Israel wasn't launching air strikes, and ground incursions... Hezbollah would still be launching rockets and kidnapping soldiers.

This is the key difference... Israel has no desire to kill Lebanese... but it has to place it's own civillians at a higher priority than the lebanese civillians, it's that simple. This is the reason why Israel has a lower civillian casualty rate than lebanon... the Israeli government is truly doing all in it's power to prevent it's civillians from being hurt or killed. Hezbollah is not.

-Max

So england would have been justified in bombing Irish apartment buildings because a member of the IRA lived there?

also, if hezbollah had access to US artillery (thankfully they don't) i'm sure israel would have just as many, if not more civilian casualties. do you really think this action is doing anything to really reduce rocket attacks and suicide bombings? especially future ones?

I'm sure if Hezbollah had artillery of that type and capability you would see all of Lebanon occupied very very quickly... There's no way in hell Israel would allow that type of onslaught.. the brave IDF would enter lebanon and present themselves as targets rather than let Israeli children die.

And yes... if the world would actually do what Israel is asking, this would indeed reduce future rocket attacks and kidnappings.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Gamer X

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Gamer X
Though the Israelis killed hundreds of women and children in the last escalations it was all unintentional. The Israelis are angels.

Yeah you really believe Israel's army is hanging out on the border hoping that Hezbollah will kidnap some soldiers? And then it happens and the whole country is like YAAAAAAAHOOOOO It's a-rab killling time!!!! C'mmon man get real... if you actually spent some time in Israel you would understand how far from the truth that really is.

What about Palestinian civilians who are killed everyday ? Oh wait they are terrorists.

What about them? How many times are they going to turn down peace for war?