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Do you agree that women should get paid maternity leave?
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wfbberzerker
Lifer
as i stated before, its simply absurd to tell people not to have sex or think that they shouldn't because of the possibility of pregnancy. do you really think there are a lot of couples out there who don't have sex because they don't want kids? are you telling me that you wouldn't have sex with your SO/spouse if you didn't want kids?
whistleclient
Platinum Member
there's a woman at my job that's going to take maternity leave (3 months?) and then quit at the end. obviously if she quits now, she wouldn't get the paid maternity leave. kinda crappy.
montanafan
Diamond Member
I don't see why some people have an issue with the way notfred is answering the question. The question is, "Do you agree that women should get paid maternity leave?" There are several ways of interpreting the question unless you have a very limited point of view.
Some people are having a knee-jerk reaction to the question and answering no because they're interpreting it as women are being given something that they as men aren't.
Others are interpreting it as, I'm a man and when I'm married I want my wife to be able to stay home for a while with the baby and it will benefit my family, so yes.
Others are looking at it as, I'm a small business owner and I wouldn't be able to afford it, so no.
Some are looking at it from the persective of a large business owner who wants to be able to attract and retain the best employees and sees it as a carrot they could offer in order to do that.
Others see it as a personal responsibility issue, some are interpreting it as an equality in the workplace issue, some interpreting it as a government mandates issue, and on and on.
Looking at it from as many perspectives as I can manage and trying to determine the most fair answer I would say:
It should not be government mandated. All companies are not equal and though responsible people can have unplanned pregnancies, it's mostly a personal choice issue.
If a company wants to be competitive in attracting and retaining the best employees they should offer it as a benefit to both men and women, but tie it to salary or sick days. Take the higher salary and not the maternity leave or vise versa. This is if the pay for men and women at the firm for the same job is equal, if not, then it should automatically be offered to women employees they want because the costs could be offset by the salary difference.
If a small company can't afford it then they shouldn't have to offer it. They should have a right to pick and choose their employees and employees have a right to choose whether they want to work there or not. If you take a job at place that doesn't offer it then you know that going in and should plan accordingly. If you decide to have a child then it's your responsibility, not theirs.
Some people are having a knee-jerk reaction to the question and answering no because they're interpreting it as women are being given something that they as men aren't.
Others are interpreting it as, I'm a man and when I'm married I want my wife to be able to stay home for a while with the baby and it will benefit my family, so yes.
Others are looking at it as, I'm a small business owner and I wouldn't be able to afford it, so no.
Some are looking at it from the persective of a large business owner who wants to be able to attract and retain the best employees and sees it as a carrot they could offer in order to do that.
Others see it as a personal responsibility issue, some are interpreting it as an equality in the workplace issue, some interpreting it as a government mandates issue, and on and on.
Looking at it from as many perspectives as I can manage and trying to determine the most fair answer I would say:
It should not be government mandated. All companies are not equal and though responsible people can have unplanned pregnancies, it's mostly a personal choice issue.
If a company wants to be competitive in attracting and retaining the best employees they should offer it as a benefit to both men and women, but tie it to salary or sick days. Take the higher salary and not the maternity leave or vise versa. This is if the pay for men and women at the firm for the same job is equal, if not, then it should automatically be offered to women employees they want because the costs could be offset by the salary difference.
If a small company can't afford it then they shouldn't have to offer it. They should have a right to pick and choose their employees and employees have a right to choose whether they want to work there or not. If you take a job at place that doesn't offer it then you know that going in and should plan accordingly. If you decide to have a child then it's your responsibility, not theirs.
MrCodeDude
Lifer
Paid = No.
Unpaid = Meh.
If pregnant women get a couple months of paid vacation, everyone should receive the same vacation.
Unpaid = Meh.
If pregnant women get a couple months of paid vacation, everyone should receive the same vacation.
Replace the word 'sick' with 'vacation' instead. Ironically, that situation applies to me as well. I just found out that I've maxed out my vacation time and I'm starting to get denied accrued vacation time. I have control over my vacation time, but just haven't been able to take it since I felt an obligation to the company due to being the only person in my dept.
When did I say you said paid maternity leave motivates women to get pregnant on purpose?
Cool...so when your company offers you short term disability or perhaps even long term disability payments while you recover, make sure you refuse to cash the checks.
The majority of people in this thread are a bunch of jack-asses. The fact is, most women are UNABLE to return to work for 6 weeks under DOCTOR'S ORDERS. My wife and I have 5 kids. I worked for differengt employers during their births, and in each one the policy was different. In most cases, i took 3 days off after the birth and was given PAID LEAVE to do so. The last 2 kids, I took a week. If I had wanted to, I could have also combined vacation time to extend that time.
People in this thread are talking 6 months or longer? WTF? Except when the pregnancy is high-risk or some other factor requires the woman to leave work early, most women work right up through the 9th month. After the child is born, the standard is 6 weeks. Could I have stayed at home longer? yes. Did I want to? Maybe. Did I NEED to stay home longer? Absolutely not. For the first few days, sure...mom should not be walking up/down stairs, exerting herself in any way, etc. But after the 1st few days, Mom and baby are fine while I'm at work.
The arguments here are pretty sad. I have various benefits available to me through my employer, but I won't uise them all. Should I protest and ask them to remove the benefits that I don't use?
My company raised the rates that the employee has to pay for health insurance because of rising costs. at the same time they used that excuse, they also began offering domestic partnership benefits. I assume that all of you against pregnancy leave are also against offering benefits to gay couples?
I worked before I got married and encountered pregnancy leave before it ever became a benefit I could use. Did I begrudge others for it? of course not. get over it, people...
I'm sure as they age out of the college years they will learn to value different things in life. Anyway, paid maternity leave isn't a law, unpaid is. It's up to the owner to decide what type of benefits are provided to their employees. Though I can tell you this, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
wfbberzerker
Lifer
you should have to pay for someone else for the same reason that you have to pay for someone else to take sick leave, or vacation time. having a baby is a reasonable, legitimate thing to have to take off work for, just as a vacation is, and just as getting sick is.
dandragonrage
Senior member
If a company wants to offer it, fine, but under no circumstances should they be expected to offer it.
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