Do you agree that women should get paid maternity leave?

[wfbberzerker]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
and if i 'accidentally' get sick?

See my previous post.

the idiot who breaks his own leg doing something stupid is just as entitled to sick days as the person who gets cancer.

 

[Reckoner]

Paid? FVCK NO.

Unpaid? Sure.

As if women don't already have it easier in the workplace than men.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
there's a million ways you can accidentally get pregnant without planning. but like i said before, are you implying that they should get screwed because they weren't ready to have kids? the way you're arguing, it's like you're saying "if you don't want kids, don't have sex."

I know. That's one hell of a concept to grasp, isn't it? Last I checked, it's been about two millenium since the last person had a kid w/o having sex or some other artificial means.

 

[chambersc]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
you can't accidentally buy a house. you CAN accidentally get pregnant. are you saying those who didn't plan on having a baby are SOL and should just get an abortion?

So what you're saying, is that you can accidentally stick your dick in a woman and move back and forth multiple times? Man, I need to have your kind of accidents more often!

If I went out racing and got in a wreck, I wouldn't expect paid leave outside of my normal vacation/sick/PTO time. It was my decision to go racing and put myself at risk. The only people that should be getting paid leave from racing accidents are professional race car drivers. (because that can be considered an on the job accident) I took the risks, I got the rewards, I pay the costs. If I get hurt, it's my fault. Nobody here is going to cry for me when I'm out of work for six months because of broken legs. I was the dumbass who didn't use adaquate safety measures, and who decided that the risks were worth the thrill.

what, you've never heard of married couples who aren't ready to have kids yet?

I have. But should I feel sorry for someone who deposits his sperm into his wife expecting nature to not take it's course for the sole reason that they don't want it to?

there's a million ways you can accidentally get pregnant without planning. but like i said before, are you implying that they should get screwed because they weren't ready to have kids? the way you're arguing, it's like you're saying "if you don't want kids, don't have sex."

gee, who woulda thought. you must ALWAYS plan for the worst case results in all aspects of life....sex included.

 

[wfbberzerker]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
there's a million ways you can accidentally get pregnant without planning. but like i said before, are you implying that they should get screwed because they weren't ready to have kids? the way you're arguing, it's like you're saying "if you don't want kids, don't have sex."

I know. That's one hell of a concept to grasp, isn't it? Last I checked, it's been about two millenium since the last person had a kid w/o having sex or some other artificial means.

hah, ok, that's a perfect solution. hell, the religious groups have been going with the abstinence route for a long time, and its been ever so successful.

 

[Geekbabe]

If there were less benefits there'd be less kids.. less ATOTérs...wait this is bad why exactly ? 😛

Seriously, most maternity leaves are only paid thru the amount of sick days/vacation days a woman has accumulated after that it's unpaid leave. I can't see why that is a problem,

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
there's a million ways you can accidentally get pregnant without planning. but like i said before, are you implying that they should get screwed because they weren't ready to have kids? the way you're arguing, it's like you're saying "if you don't want kids, don't have sex."

I know. That's one hell of a concept to grasp, isn't it? Last I checked, it's been about two millenium since the last person had a kid w/o having sex or some other artificial means.

hah, ok, that's a perfect solution. hell, the religious groups have been going with the abstinence route for a long time, and its been ever so successful.

And I've been going the personal responsibility and common sense route for a long time. Looks like I've been just as successful.

 

[akubi]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
there's a million ways you can accidentally get pregnant without planning. but like i said before, are you implying that they should get screwed because they weren't ready to have kids? the way you're arguing, it's like you're saying "if you don't want kids, don't have sex."

I know. That's one hell of a concept to grasp, isn't it? Last I checked, it's been about two millenium since the last person had a kid w/o having sex or some other artificial means.

haha don't you just love it when ppl own themselves with their own logic?

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
If there were less benefits there'd be less kids.. less ATOTérs...wait this is bad why exactly ? 😛

Seriously, most maternity leaves are only paid thru the amount of sick days/vacation days a woman has accumulated after that it's unpaid leave. I can't see why that is a problem,

IMO, that isn't a problem. That is exactly as it should be.

 

[Nutdotnet]

I didn't read this whole thread so I apologize if this hasn't been brought up (although it wasn't brought up on the first page).

UNPAID leave is mandated by Federal, and some States, Law (Read Family Medical Leave Act of 1993).

Any PAID Maternity Leave is at the discretion of the organization. Most Short-Term Disability Plans will consider pregnancy and care for 6-weeks after the child is born as a qualifying event. In addition, many organization will allow the use of sick and/or vacation time to run concurrently the FMLA, thus, giving the APPEARANCE of PAID maternity leave.

 

[wfbberzerker]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
there's a million ways you can accidentally get pregnant without planning. but like i said before, are you implying that they should get screwed because they weren't ready to have kids? the way you're arguing, it's like you're saying "if you don't want kids, don't have sex."

I know. That's one hell of a concept to grasp, isn't it? Last I checked, it's been about two millenium since the last person had a kid w/o having sex or some other artificial means.

hah, ok, that's a perfect solution. hell, the religious groups have been going with the abstinence route for a long time, and its been ever so successful.

And I've been going the personal responsibility and common sense route for a long time. Looks like I've been just as successful.

my point is this. pregnancies are a part of life, and you shouldn't just tell the person they don't get paid for the time off, where, in any other instance that a person may need to take sick leave and it's their own fault, the company still has to pay for the sick leave.

 

[wfbberzerker]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
If there were less benefits there'd be less kids.. less ATOTérs...wait this is bad why exactly ? 😛

Seriously, most maternity leaves are only paid thru the amount of sick days/vacation days a woman has accumulated after that it's unpaid leave. I can't see why that is a problem,

IMO, that isn't a problem. That is exactly as it should be.

actually, thats how i think it should be.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
If there were less benefits there'd be less kids.. less ATOTérs...wait this is bad why exactly ? 😛

Seriously, most maternity leaves are only paid thru the amount of sick days/vacation days a woman has accumulated after that it's unpaid leave. I can't see why that is a problem,

IMO, that isn't a problem. That is exactly as it should be.

I agree. :thumbsup: Sick time and vacation time are awarded equally, and frankly I don't care how people use them.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
and if i 'accidentally' get sick?

See my previous post.

the idiot who breaks his own leg doing something stupid is just as entitled to sick days as the person who gets cancer.

Your point?

The woman who has unprotected sex with multiple partners is just as entitled to maternity leave as the woman on the pill who forces her sterile husband to always wear a condom.

There is no way to guarantee that one will not get cancer. There is a way to guarantee that one will not get pregnant...

"if you don't want kids, don't have sex."

Ha ha. Can it really be that simple? I'll have to check with the boffins on this one 😉

At any rate, I'm not arguing for or against paid sick leave. In fact, should that person who broke their leg exceed their paid sick leave, by all means, they should be forced to go into unpaid leave...

Sorry to veer off topic OP 😉

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
If there were less benefits there'd be less kids.. less ATOTérs...wait this is bad why exactly ? 😛

Seriously, most maternity leaves are only paid thru the amount of sick days/vacation days a woman has accumulated after that it's unpaid leave. I can't see why that is a problem,

IMO, that isn't a problem. That is exactly as it should be.

I agree. :thumbsup: Sick time and vacation time are awarded equally, and frankly I don't care how people use them.

Huzzah! I also agree :thumbsup:

 

[wfbberzerker]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
and if i 'accidentally' get sick?

See my previous post.

the idiot who breaks his own leg doing something stupid is just as entitled to sick days as the person who gets cancer.

Your point?

The woman who has unprotected sex with multiple partners is just as entitled to maternity leave as the woman on the pill who forces her sterile husband to always wear a condom.

There is no way to guarantee that one will not get cancer. There is a way to guarantee that one will not get pregnant...

"if you don't want kids, don't have sex."

Ha ha. Can it really be that simple? I'll have to check with the boffins on this one 😉

At any rate, I'm not arguing for or against paid sick leave. In fact, should that person who broke their leg exceed their paid sick leave, by all means, they should be forced to go into unpaid leave...

Sorry to veer off topic OP 😉

NO. aside from abstinence, there is NOT a way to guarantee you wont get pregnant - contraceptives can and do fail. and although you mocked me for it, are you really telling me you wouldn't have a problem with your employer telling you not to have sex?

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
and if i 'accidentally' get sick?

See my previous post.

the idiot who breaks his own leg doing something stupid is just as entitled to sick days as the person who gets cancer.

Your point?

The woman who has unprotected sex with multiple partners is just as entitled to maternity leave as the woman on the pill who forces her sterile husband to always wear a condom.

There is no way to guarantee that one will not get cancer. There is a way to guarantee that one will not get pregnant...

"if you don't want kids, don't have sex."

Ha ha. Can it really be that simple? I'll have to check with the boffins on this one 😉

At any rate, I'm not arguing for or against paid sick leave. In fact, should that person who broke their leg exceed their paid sick leave, by all means, they should be forced to go into unpaid leave...

Sorry to veer off topic OP 😉

NO. aside from abstinence, there is NOT a way to guarantee you wont get pregnant - contraceptives can and do fail. and although you mocked me for it, are you really telling me you wouldn't have a problem with your employer telling you not to have sex?

No (I would have a problem), but I wouldn't have a problem with him telling me that he won't pay for my wife's paid sick leave should she get pregnant.

To answer your question a different way, yes, I would gladly take responsibility for my actions.

[Edit] For clarity of "No"

 

[wfbberzerker]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
and if i 'accidentally' get sick?

See my previous post.

the idiot who breaks his own leg doing something stupid is just as entitled to sick days as the person who gets cancer.

Your point?

The woman who has unprotected sex with multiple partners is just as entitled to maternity leave as the woman on the pill who forces her sterile husband to always wear a condom.

There is no way to guarantee that one will not get cancer. There is a way to guarantee that one will not get pregnant...

"if you don't want kids, don't have sex."

Ha ha. Can it really be that simple? I'll have to check with the boffins on this one 😉

At any rate, I'm not arguing for or against paid sick leave. In fact, should that person who broke their leg exceed their paid sick leave, by all means, they should be forced to go into unpaid leave...

Sorry to veer off topic OP 😉

NO. aside from abstinence, there is NOT a way to guarantee you wont get pregnant - contraceptives can and do fail. and although you mocked me for it, are you really telling me you wouldn't have a problem with your employer telling you not to have sex?

No (I would have a problem), but I wouldn't have a problem with him telling me that he won't pay for my wife's sick leave should she get pregnant.

[Edit] For clarity of "No"

but thats exactly what you've been saying - "if you don't want a kid, don't have sex." and i think that's absurd to be telling people that.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
and if i 'accidentally' get sick?

See my previous post.

the idiot who breaks his own leg doing something stupid is just as entitled to sick days as the person who gets cancer.

Your point?

The woman who has unprotected sex with multiple partners is just as entitled to maternity leave as the woman on the pill who forces her sterile husband to always wear a condom.

There is no way to guarantee that one will not get cancer. There is a way to guarantee that one will not get pregnant...

"if you don't want kids, don't have sex."

Ha ha. Can it really be that simple? I'll have to check with the boffins on this one 😉

At any rate, I'm not arguing for or against paid sick leave. In fact, should that person who broke their leg exceed their paid sick leave, by all means, they should be forced to go into unpaid leave...

Sorry to veer off topic OP 😉

NO. aside from abstinence, there is NOT a way to guarantee you wont get pregnant - contraceptives can and do fail. and although you mocked me for it, are you really telling me you wouldn't have a problem with your employer telling you not to have sex?

No (I would have a problem), but I wouldn't have a problem with him telling me that he won't pay for my wife's sick leave should she get pregnant.

[Edit] For clarity of "No"

but thats exactly what you've been saying - "if you don't want a kid, don't have sex." and i think that's absurd to be telling people that.

Where did I say that?

I am free to do as I wish as long as I take responsibility for my actions. If such responsibility entails my wife taking unpaid time off from work, then so be it.

 

[bonkers325]

they should get maternity leave, but at partial pay

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Forsythe
In denmark both men and women have maternity leave, paid. So yes i guess.
Besides, it stimulates lust to have kids, which modern countries need bedly these days.

by modern, if you mean european, then yes.

 

[wfbberzerker]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
and if i 'accidentally' get sick?

See my previous post.

the idiot who breaks his own leg doing something stupid is just as entitled to sick days as the person who gets cancer.

Your point?

The woman who has unprotected sex with multiple partners is just as entitled to maternity leave as the woman on the pill who forces her sterile husband to always wear a condom.

There is no way to guarantee that one will not get cancer. There is a way to guarantee that one will not get pregnant...

"if you don't want kids, don't have sex."

Ha ha. Can it really be that simple? I'll have to check with the boffins on this one 😉

At any rate, I'm not arguing for or against paid sick leave. In fact, should that person who broke their leg exceed their paid sick leave, by all means, they should be forced to go into unpaid leave...

Sorry to veer off topic OP 😉

NO. aside from abstinence, there is NOT a way to guarantee you wont get pregnant - contraceptives can and do fail. and although you mocked me for it, are you really telling me you wouldn't have a problem with your employer telling you not to have sex?

No (I would have a problem), but I wouldn't have a problem with him telling me that he won't pay for my wife's sick leave should she get pregnant.

[Edit] For clarity of "No"

but thats exactly what you've been saying - "if you don't want a kid, don't have sex." and i think that's absurd to be telling people that.

Where did I say that?

I am free to do as I wish as long as I take responsibility for my actions. If such responsibility entails my wife taking unpaid time off from work, then so be it.

ok, it might not have been you. but anyways, a company should be assuming that at some point a woman may be getting pregnant. its simply part of life. hell, the federal government said women should be considered "pre-pregnant." and you can't assume in every circumstance it will have been planned. so if they have to go on unpaid leave, the company is basically telling them, "sorry, you screwed up."

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: KillyKillall

Originally posted by: alien42
if they do then men should get paternity leave that is equal

I do with my company.

You guys sound like you're just bitching because you don't get something that someone else does. Way to go cry babies - keep america where no one really cares about family and slam them back into corporations...communists.

FYI, communism would support maternity leave where everyone pays for the child and time off.

 

[DAGTA]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: DAGTA

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
wow, a LOT of people are against it.

but i'm going to say i'm for paid maternity leave. why? well, a lot people are going with the argument that "its your decision to have a kid." but you know what? having a kid is a part of life. so to speak, it's the whole reason we're here as a species. so saying that it's someone's "decision" (although the way some of the people here are arguing, it's more like they're saying it's someone's "fault" for getting pregnant). and the whole equality in the workplace argument? bullsh*t. the day men start getting pregnant is the day i'll agree women don't deserve paid maternity leave. but i do agree with companies that offer paid maternity leave for the fathers as well. if i had a kid, you're damn right i'd want some time off to see him.

secondly, if a woman can't work while she's pregnant, and doesn't get paid... how the f*ck is she supposed to pay for all the expenses she has, in addition to paying for everything for the coming baby. i know some of you would claim that she should have saved up or something in advance, but what about unplanned pregnancies? are they somehow less deserving than a normal, upper-class well off family who did plan things out?

i think thats all i've got to say, flame away.
-WFBBERZERKER

P.S. HOWEVER.... i do believe that maternity can be abused, and that there are people dumb enough to have kids just for that reason. i don't offer any solutions to this problem, but i think as a whole, we're better off with it than without it.

PLANNED PARENTHOOD.

I don't go buy a house without finding a way to pay for it FIRST. Don't have a kid without looking into the responsibilities FIRST. Having a kid is a great responsibility. Only idiots rush into it.

you can't accidentally buy a house. you CAN accidentally get pregnant. are you saying those who didn't plan on having a baby are SOL and should just get an abortion?

Responsibility for your own actions. A dying concept in this country.

So, as an employer, I should pay out $50,000 or so because someone 'accidentally' got pregnant? Why is that my problem?

and if i 'accidentally' get sick?

Are you saying that getting sick is like getting pregnant? Getting sick isn't completely preventable. Getting pregnant IS completely preventable.

 

[Aquaman]

We (in Canada) have 1 year mat leave (that the mother can split with the father...... ie. she takes 6 months off then he takes 6 months off). They get like 60% of salary from EI (not sure of the percentage).

🙂

Cheers,
Aquaman